Need to change education system in India?

Some years back I was at a xerox shop and came to know that lot many studentswho have to submit projects do not visit libraries for data collection. They go to xerox centres who keep a copy of project reports given to them for xeroxing and sell them at high costs to new students. Teachers are also not bothered.

Yes, that is a normal scenario around most colleges and schools. When I was in college myself, there were a group of students who never attended lectures but always had notes ready with them. Once we asked them out of curiosity about how there notes were always updated when they were never seen studying, we were told that a certain xerox shop had a stock of all kinds of notes which you could get a copy of for a fixed sum. :blink: Just mug them up and get scores. Teachers are not bothered because they are only concerned with the results!

This happens because 'thinking out of the box' is not encouraged at schools or colleges. Teachers find it easy to check ready made answers than having to tax their brains and expect a different answers. Hence, students find a way out..copy pasting the same thing over. Of course, I know that a fact cannot be changed and reproduced as it is but for subjects which can have more than one interpretation, teachers should readily accept it and encourage it.

That is what ideally education should involve but sadly, teachers themselves are not taught to think out of the box. Of course there are exceptions to this, but generally as a rule, they are taught and expect from their students too to stick to the routine only. Some students who might be exceptionally bright may write answers in a different manner but are immediately reprimanded for doing so and are made to stick to routine. As a result they soon lose their spark! :blink:

We are ignoring core aspect of skill development, instead going forward with degree and marks.

We are ignoring core aspect of skill development, instead going forward with degree and marks.

More focus on scoring 90% or more marks at each board level and the increasing cut-off percentage for getting entry into professional colleges is chief reason. It does not matter if a student is truly intelligent and has a certain set of exceptional skills, but if he has not been able to score 90% or above marks, he does not get admission into a medical or engg. college. So he is discouraged from honing his skills and is made to mug up facts to score more! Not desirable for our country at all in the long run. With such systems and results, the development may still be there, but it won't be sustainable!

We are ignoring core aspect of skill development, instead going forward with degree and marks.

Marks and high percentage at schools or colleges can give you a job at an entry level but to grow as professional, a person needs to think out of the box and this trait is a mandate irrespective of the career you choose. Who will teach our teachers? :unsure:

There is now something called Corporate Social Responsibility., Every industrial organization and even those in the service sector, like IT, need to do something to the society -- there is a law saying that 2% of the profits should flow to the society.

There is a big need to tap this resource properly. In fact, forget about talking about changing the education system, if the Government schools also have facilities similar or better than the private ones, people will start flocking to the Government ones. We need to remember that education should be one in which overall personality is shaped. Mere cramming is not desirable, and will enable the society to benefit at all.

Yes, we need to change the education system in India, but there should be parity in terms of facilities. The talk of doing something creative about the syllabus or about the method of teaching, and so on, can come later.

Some years back I was at a xerox shop and came to know that lot many studentswho have to submit projects do not visit libraries for data collection. They go to xerox centres who keep a copy of project reports given to them for xeroxing and sell them at high costs to new students. Teachers are also not bothered.

Yes, that is a normal scenario around most colleges and schools. When I was in college myself, there were a group of students who never attended lectures but always had notes ready with them. Once we asked them out of curiosity about how there notes were always updated when they were never seen studying, we were told that a certain xerox shop had a stock of all kinds of notes which you could get a copy of for a fixed sum. :blink: Just mug them up and get scores. Teachers are not bothered because they are only concerned with the results!

This happens because 'thinking out of the box' is not encouraged at schools or colleges. Teachers find it easy to check ready made answers than having to tax their brains and expect a different answers. Hence, students find a way out..copy pasting the same thing over. Of course, I know that a fact cannot be changed and reproduced as it is but for subjects which can have more than one interpretation, teachers should readily accept it and encourage it.

That is what ideally education should involve but sadly, teachers themselves are not taught to think out of the box. Of course there are exceptions to this, but generally as a rule, they are taught and expect from their students too to stick to the routine only. Some students who might be exceptionally bright may write answers in a different manner but are immediately reprimanded for doing so and are made to stick to routine. As a result they soon lose their spark! :blink:

That is very true ! Students are expected to reproduce what is written in the text book because it makes the job easier for teachers while correcting the answer sheets ..I have had so many arguments about this but given up now since it is futile, you have no other go but go with the flow ..

Some years back I was at a xerox shop and came to know that lot many studentswho have to submit projects do not visit libraries for data collection. They go to xerox centres who keep a copy of project reports given to them for xeroxing and sell them at high costs to new students. Teachers are also not bothered.

Yes, that is a normal scenario around most colleges and schools. When I was in college myself, there were a group of students who never attended lectures but always had notes ready with them. Once we asked them out of curiosity about how there notes were always updated when they were never seen studying, we were told that a certain xerox shop had a stock of all kinds of notes which you could get a copy of for a fixed sum. :blink: Just mug them up and get scores. Teachers are not bothered because they are only concerned with the results!

This happens because 'thinking out of the box' is not encouraged at schools or colleges. Teachers find it easy to check ready made answers than having to tax their brains and expect a different answers. Hence, students find a way out..copy pasting the same thing over. Of course, I know that a fact cannot be changed and reproduced as it is but for subjects which can have more than one interpretation, teachers should readily accept it and encourage it.

That is what ideally education should involve but sadly, teachers themselves are not taught to think out of the box. Of course there are exceptions to this, but generally as a rule, they are taught and expect from their students too to stick to the routine only. Some students who might be exceptionally bright may write answers in a different manner but are immediately reprimanded for doing so and are made to stick to routine. As a result they soon lose their spark! :blink:

That is very true ! Students are expected to reproduce what is written in the text book because it makes the job easier for teachers while correcting the answer sheets ..I have had so many arguments about this but given up now since it is futile, you have no other go but go with the flow ..

As a parent or a guardian we have very little say in the education system...certainly going with the flow has been the trend so far, but if more and more people wake up and understand and agree with the need to modify the education system, we will soon see some amount of change.

Some years back I was at a xerox shop and came to know that lot many studentswho have to submit projects do not visit libraries for data collection. They go to xerox centres who keep a copy of project reports given to them for xeroxing and sell them at high costs to new students. Teachers are also not bothered.

Yes, that is a normal scenario around most colleges and schools. When I was in college myself, there were a group of students who never attended lectures but always had notes ready with them. Once we asked them out of curiosity about how there notes were always updated when they were never seen studying, we were told that a certain xerox shop had a stock of all kinds of notes which you could get a copy of for a fixed sum. :blink: Just mug them up and get scores. Teachers are not bothered because they are only concerned with the results!

This happens because 'thinking out of the box' is not encouraged at schools or colleges. Teachers find it easy to check ready made answers than having to tax their brains and expect a different answers. Hence, students find a way out..copy pasting the same thing over. Of course, I know that a fact cannot be changed and reproduced as it is but for subjects which can have more than one interpretation, teachers should readily accept it and encourage it.

That is what ideally education should involve but sadly, teachers themselves are not taught to think out of the box. Of course there are exceptions to this, but generally as a rule, they are taught and expect from their students too to stick to the routine only. Some students who might be exceptionally bright may write answers in a different manner but are immediately reprimanded for doing so and are made to stick to routine. As a result they soon lose their spark! :blink:

That is very true ! Students are expected to reproduce what is written in the text book because it makes the job easier for teachers while correcting the answer sheets ..I have had so many arguments about this but given up now since it is futile, you have no other go but go with the flow ..

As a parent or a guardian we have very little say in the education system...certainly going with the flow has been the trend so far, but if more and more people wake up and understand and agree with the need to modify the education system, we will soon see some amount of change.

In a report,some years ago, it was reported that some coaching centres train there students so nicely that they become experts in cracking entrance exams of IIT etc. But upon admission are not found to be suitable by the teaching faculties. In fact they suggested that such students should be given a foundation course to bring them at par with other students. Entry crackers exit failures.

Some years back I was at a xerox shop and came to know that lot many studentswho have to submit projects do not visit libraries for data collection. They go to xerox centres who keep a copy of project reports given to them for xeroxing and sell them at high costs to new students. Teachers are also not bothered.

Yes, that is a normal scenario around most colleges and schools. When I was in college myself, there were a group of students who never attended lectures but always had notes ready with them. Once we asked them out of curiosity about how there notes were always updated when they were never seen studying, we were told that a certain xerox shop had a stock of all kinds of notes which you could get a copy of for a fixed sum. :blink: Just mug them up and get scores. Teachers are not bothered because they are only concerned with the results!

This happens because 'thinking out of the box' is not encouraged at schools or colleges. Teachers find it easy to check ready made answers than having to tax their brains and expect a different answers. Hence, students find a way out..copy pasting the same thing over. Of course, I know that a fact cannot be changed and reproduced as it is but for subjects which can have more than one interpretation, teachers should readily accept it and encourage it.

That is what ideally education should involve but sadly, teachers themselves are not taught to think out of the box. Of course there are exceptions to this, but generally as a rule, they are taught and expect from their students too to stick to the routine only. Some students who might be exceptionally bright may write answers in a different manner but are immediately reprimanded for doing so and are made to stick to routine. As a result they soon lose their spark! :blink:

That is very true ! Students are expected to reproduce what is written in the text book because it makes the job easier for teachers while correcting the answer sheets ..I have had so many arguments about this but given up now since it is futile, you have no other go but go with the flow ..

As a parent or a guardian we have very little say in the education system...certainly going with the flow has been the trend so far, but if more and more people wake up and understand and agree with the need to modify the education system, we will soon see some amount of change.

In a report,some years ago, it was reported that some coaching centres train there students so nicely that they become experts in cracking entrance exams of IIT etc. But upon admission are not found to be suitable by the teaching faculties. In fact they suggested that such students should be given a foundation course to bring them at par with other students. Entry crackers exit failures.

Cracking any entrance exam can be done by following the pattern of questions over the years..it is really not a big deal even if it is for IIT..the teachers who teach in the coaching centres follow the trend of questions that appear in the exam each year and prepare the students accordingly. However, if as basics and fundamentals are not clear these experts fail to prove themselves in the long run. The coaching centres also function so as to make the centre popular..the more students who can crack IIT entrance exam..the more famous the coaching centres becomes.

Some years back I was at a xerox shop and came to know that lot many studentswho have to submit projects do not visit libraries for data collection. They go to xerox centres who keep a copy of project reports given to them for xeroxing and sell them at high costs to new students. Teachers are also not bothered.

Yes, that is a normal scenario around most colleges and schools. When I was in college myself, there were a group of students who never attended lectures but always had notes ready with them. Once we asked them out of curiosity about how there notes were always updated when they were never seen studying, we were told that a certain xerox shop had a stock of all kinds of notes which you could get a copy of for a fixed sum. :blink: Just mug them up and get scores. Teachers are not bothered because they are only concerned with the results!

This happens because 'thinking out of the box' is not encouraged at schools or colleges. Teachers find it easy to check ready made answers than having to tax their brains and expect a different answers. Hence, students find a way out..copy pasting the same thing over. Of course, I know that a fact cannot be changed and reproduced as it is but for subjects which can have more than one interpretation, teachers should readily accept it and encourage it.

That is what ideally education should involve but sadly, teachers themselves are not taught to think out of the box. Of course there are exceptions to this, but generally as a rule, they are taught and expect from their students too to stick to the routine only. Some students who might be exceptionally bright may write answers in a different manner but are immediately reprimanded for doing so and are made to stick to routine. As a result they soon lose their spark! :blink:

That is very true ! Students are expected to reproduce what is written in the text book because it makes the job easier for teachers while correcting the answer sheets ..I have had so many arguments about this but given up now since it is futile, you have no other go but go with the flow ..

As a parent or a guardian we have very little say in the education system...certainly going with the flow has been the trend so far, but if more and more people wake up and understand and agree with the need to modify the education system, we will soon see some amount of change.

It takes two to Tango. If you want to produce sound, you need one more hand. The more the hands are, the more louder the sounds, which in turn may attract others and join the hands. This sound should act like a warning to the Administrators of the education system. Then the much needed change may come in real flesh and blood. Till then we have to take the things in our stride.

When the survival of Indian industries will be on inhouse innovation, then there will be a demand for quality education and quality students and education will improve. Till technology and ideas are available liberally from other countries,one needs only trained operators not original thinkers. Till such time present style of education will continue.

When the survival of Indian industries will be on inhouse innovation, then there will be a demand for quality education and quality students and education will improve. Till technology and ideas are available liberally from other countries,one needs only trained operators not original thinkers. Till such time present style of education will continue.

The BPO and IT industry in India today is a perfect example of what you have stated. The IT engineers here are no less than trained operators who are only required to perform within the given framework with little or no innovation. BPO is nothing but as the name suggests, perform the back office chores for foreign companies! Very little or almost no stress is given for original and authentic ideas! A fact that fully reflects our education system which again reflects back the kind of work done here!

When the survival of Indian industries will be on inhouse innovation, then there will be a demand for quality education and quality students and education will improve. Till technology and ideas are available liberally from other countries,one needs only trained operators not original thinkers. Till such time present style of education will continue.

The BPO and IT industry in India today is a perfect example of what you have stated. The IT engineers here are no less than trained operators who are only required to perform within the given framework with little or no innovation. BPO is nothing but as the name suggests, perform the back office chores for foreign companies! Very little or almost no stress is given for original and authentic ideas! A fact that fully reflects our education system which again reflects back the kind of work done here!

We should not be pessimistic about our educational system, because it reflects what the market wants. Today in the ladder of development we are not a innovative society but we can operate complex technologies based on the education we have obtained. For example India makes $ 20 billion worth of generic drugs and exports $15 billion worth. Generic drugs are drugs whose patent protection has finished. So Indian companies take up the manufacture of these cheap drugs at cheap costs. Today this is appropriate with our level of funding and abilities. As we go along higher up in the development ladder we shall enter the innovation stage also and then the demand for education will accordingly be of a different type than today. In IT India is exporting its comparative advantage of relatively cheaper knowledge worker as against China which is exporting its comparative advantage of cheaper labor by being a manufacturer of goods at a cheap rate. Nothing wrong. Innovation requires huge capital which is the advantage of richer nations like USA,Germany etc.

When the survival of Indian industries will be on inhouse innovation, then there will be a demand for quality education and quality students and education will improve. Till technology and ideas are available liberally from other countries,one needs only trained operators not original thinkers. Till such time present style of education will continue.

The BPO and IT industry in India today is a perfect example of what you have stated. The IT engineers here are no less than trained operators who are only required to perform within the given framework with little or no innovation. BPO is nothing but as the name suggests, perform the back office chores for foreign companies! Very little or almost no stress is given for original and authentic ideas! A fact that fully reflects our education system which again reflects back the kind of work done here!

We should not be pessimistic about our educational system, because it reflects what the market wants. Today in the ladder of development we are not a innovative society but we can operate complex technologies based on the education we have obtained. For example India makes $ 20 billion worth of generic drugs and exports $15 billion worth. Generic drugs are drugs whose patent protection has finished. So Indian companies take up the manufacture of these cheap drugs at cheap costs. Today this is appropriate with our level of funding and abilities. As we go along higher up in the development ladder we shall enter the innovation stage also and then the demand for education will accordingly be of a different type than today. In IT India is exporting its comparative advantage of relatively cheaper knowledge worker as against China which is exporting its comparative advantage of cheaper labor by being a manufacturer of goods at a cheap rate. Nothing wrong. Innovation requires huge capital which is the advantage of richer nations like USA,Germany etc.

Your inputs have really given me something to hope for and from that perspective it does look good. Yet the general trend of following what the market demands, isn't it harmful in the long run??? And as far as funds for innovation are concerned, i think we do not lack money, only thing is it is channeled into all wrong places such as larger-than-life statues and memorial parks of people whose ideals we no longer follow. If somehow all that money can be brought into more important sectors such as research etc. the scenario can be changed in no time.

When the survival of Indian industries will be on inhouse innovation, then there will be a demand for quality education and quality students and education will improve. Till technology and ideas are available liberally from other countries,one needs only trained operators not original thinkers. Till such time present style of education will continue.

The BPO and IT industry in India today is a perfect example of what you have stated. The IT engineers here are no less than trained operators who are only required to perform within the given framework with little or no innovation. BPO is nothing but as the name suggests, perform the back office chores for foreign companies! Very little or almost no stress is given for original and authentic ideas! A fact that fully reflects our education system which again reflects back the kind of work done here!

We should not be pessimistic about our educational system, because it reflects what the market wants. Today in the ladder of development we are not a innovative society but we can operate complex technologies based on the education we have obtained. For example India makes $ 20 billion worth of generic drugs and exports $15 billion worth. Generic drugs are drugs whose patent protection has finished. So Indian companies take up the manufacture of these cheap drugs at cheap costs. Today this is appropriate with our level of funding and abilities. As we go along higher up in the development ladder we shall enter the innovation stage also and then the demand for education will accordingly be of a different type than today. In IT India is exporting its comparative advantage of relatively cheaper knowledge worker as against China which is exporting its comparative advantage of cheaper labor by being a manufacturer of goods at a cheap rate. Nothing wrong. Innovation requires huge capital which is the advantage of richer nations like USA,Germany etc.

Your inputs have really given me something to hope for and from that perspective it does look good. Yet the general trend of following what the market demands, isn't it harmful in the long run??? And as far as funds for innovation are concerned, i think we do not lack money, only thing is it is channeled into all wrong places such as larger-than-life statues and memorial parks of people whose ideals we no longer follow. If somehow all that money can be brought into more important sectors such as research etc. the scenario can be changed in no time.

We are a capital deficit country, in the sense that surplus funds are negligible. We are becoming a richer nation and that is why we are now called an emerging economy. Even China is a capital deficit country. The populations are so large that per capita capital gets reduced considerably. Countries like USA, Germany, Japan, France, UK are examples of capital abundant countries. Innovation requires huge capital investment with no guarantee of success. It is a risk which poor countries like ours can not afford at today's level of development. For example in a leading multi national company for every 50 products researched and developed by them, 49 are discarded and only one is commercialized. Indian economy has still to attain such critical volumes for investing billions of rupees in innovation. The challenge is to reduce the time to attain such productive volumes. That is why the money spent on schemes like statues etc even if diverted to innovation will not make a dent, but could be more productively used in social schemes. Thank you for appreciating the line of discussion.

In this respect, Tirupati Devasthanam is doing a yeoman service to the education system. Because of its huge income, it's not only maintaining a university,but also aiding those institutions that strive for innovations in the education system. It also encourages those creative youngsters by giving them scholarships and allowing them to study in any foreign or Indian universities of their choice. But we need more such philanthropic institutions.

In this respect, Tirupati Devasthanam is doing a yeoman service to the education system. Because of its huge income, it's not only maintaining a university,but also aiding those institutions that strive for innovations in the education system. It also encourages those creative youngsters by giving them scholarships and allowing them to study in any foreign or Indian universities of their choice. But we need more such philanthropic institutions.

It is a small but contributory step in the path leading to society becoming creative and innovation diven. Unless these are demanded from Indian education system by Indian industries Indian education will not deliver them.

Education system in india need to be changed. It has evolved as a business. It is a serious issue. Because the development of a country depends on the growth of education. Money plays a major role here. Institutions are charging much fees starting from kindergarden to graduation. Parents are suffering much to pay fee for their children. So changes has to be done in terms of fees and the quality of education given to the children.

Money power plays a big role in getting seats even if one has good marks. I read that in TN a medical seat is going for Rs 2 crores in private colleges.

It's the same here. Buy any seat with money in any college. Education has become a lucrative business.

No doubt increasing number of Indian students are taking admissions abroad where they get their course of choice and it many times is cheaper than costs in India. I know a father who sent his son to study for his 11th and12th equivalent school course abroad as he said he can get admission without hassle in a good college and cost will also be less. He succeeded and both are today doctors abroad.

In India education still based on money. In foreign countries they are taking money as well as providing good education for their students and based on merit they are providing jobs for the right candidates. In India several colleges taking money from students and didn't give good education. Some colleges didn't get AICTE permission for conducting courses.

Money power plays a big role in getting seats even if one has good marks. I read that in TN a medical seat is going for Rs 2 crores in private colleges.

It's the same here. Buy any seat with money in any college. Education has become a lucrative business.

No doubt increasing number of Indian students are taking admissions abroad where they get their course of choice and it many times is cheaper than costs in India. I know a father who sent his son to study for his 11th and12th equivalent school course abroad as he said he can get admission without hassle in a good college and cost will also be less. He succeeded and both are today doctors abroad.

In India education still based on money. In foreign countries they are taking money as well as providing good education for their students and based on merit they are providing jobs for the right candidates. In India several colleges taking money from students and didn't give good education. Some colleges didn't get AICTE permission for conducting courses.

Even I have seen so many schools are running just on a brand name without proper affiliation.."proposed CBSE affiliation" , and parents also don't think twice before admitting their kids to such schools.