Group Discussion Contest July 10th to July 18th!

Although there is increase in old age homes, the fact remains that most senior citizens live with their families. There has been a large increase in population and proportion of senior citizens is also increasing. The overall position is not so bad. Those in old age homes are a very small segment of whole society. Even in most ideal conditions, there will always be some without support- physical or financial from their own children. In some cases, the senior citizens do not have any younger one to look after them.

Most pathetic condition is of financially weak oldies. They need not only physical but also financial support. There is need to look after them same way as orphaned children are. They should be accommodated in old age homes that should be financed by government. Such collective financing may be far better than giving old age pension to individuals.

I have not gone to any old age home but i have seen some oldies standing outside one which comes in between my way to office. :blink: I have read their faces many times there is some strange type of pain and hopes on it. :blink:

I don't know if the old age home provide them all facilities that they would get if they had their own homes. :blink: But certainly this is the worst thing one could face in his/her life. People think that they would be taken care of by their kids when they are born and kids throw them on their fate when they get old. :evil: What a shame on people who do that. :evil:

Although there is increase in old age homes, the fact remains that most senior citizens live with their families. There has been a large increase in population and proportion of senior citizens is also increasing. The overall position is not so bad. Those in old age homes are a very small segment of whole society. Even in most ideal conditions, there will always be some without support- physical or financial from their own children. In some cases, the senior citizens do not have any younger one to look after them.

Most pathetic condition is of financially weak oldies. They need not only physical but also financial support. There is need to look after them same way as orphaned children are. They should be accommodated in old age homes that should be financed by government. Such collective financing may be far better than giving old age pension to individuals.

I have not gone to any old age home but i have seen some oldies standing outside one which comes in between my way to office. :blink: I have read their faces many times there is some strange type of pain and hopes on it. :blink:

I don't know if the old age home provide them all facilities that they would get if they had their own homes. :blink: But certainly this is the worst thing one could face in his/her life. People think that they would be taken care of by their kids when they are born and kids throw them on their fate when they get old. :evil: What a shame on people who do that. :evil:

I still want to know which facilities they used to give to such old age people.. Whatever are they ,surely they can't compare with the facility that is given in the Home with other family. Even though they are staying there with good facility, it can't give them that satisfaction which they can get from their home which can't be compare.

Although there is increase in old age homes, the fact remains that most senior citizens live with their families. There has been a large increase in population and proportion of senior citizens is also increasing. The overall position is not so bad. Those in old age homes are a very small segment of whole society. Even in most ideal conditions, there will always be some without support- physical or financial from their own children. In some cases, the senior citizens do not have any younger one to look after them.

Most pathetic condition is of financially weak oldies. They need not only physical but also financial support. There is need to look after them same way as orphaned children are. They should be accommodated in old age homes that should be financed by government. Such collective financing may be far better than giving old age pension to individuals.

I have not gone to any old age home but i have seen some oldies standing outside one which comes in between my way to office. :blink: I have read their faces many times there is some strange type of pain and hopes on it. :blink:

I don't know if the old age home provide them all facilities that they would get if they had their own homes. :blink: But certainly this is the worst thing one could face in his/her life. People think that they would be taken care of by their kids when they are born and kids throw them on their fate when they get old. :evil: What a shame on people who do that. :evil:

I still want to know which facilities they used to give to such old age people.. Whatever are they ,surely they can't compare with the facility that is given in the Home with other family. Even though they are staying there with good facility, it can't give them that satisfaction which they can get from their home which can't be compare.

Even i don't know what facility they get in the old age homes but that's enough at least they get shelter when they have no where to go :blink: .I don't know people who live in old age homes but they must be the unluckiest person as they are having their owns still they have to take shelter there. :evil:

Yes.. they are surely unlucky as they are not living with their family.. Its just like they are forcefully staying in that house, its like they have no other choice. Last option. Really bad.

Yes.. they are surely unlucky as they are not living with their family.. Its just like they are forcefully staying in that house, its like they have no other choice. Last option. Really bad.

But this is not true for all parents. there are many who has no second option or any child they go to oldage home as there they get minimum care and also assistance from some people ,but having all in life and going to old age age home is very unfortunate.

Yes.. they are surely unlucky as they are not living with their family.. Its just like they are forcefully staying in that house, its like they have no other choice. Last option. Really bad.

But this is not true for all parents. there are many who has no second option or any child they go to oldage home as there they get minimum care and also assistance from some people ,but having all in life and going to old age age home is very unfortunate.

I too would say that staying at old age homes is not such a bad option as all that since the old people get the basic care and also have people around them with whom they can interact .

Although there is increase in old age homes, the fact remains that most senior citizens live with their families. There has been a large increase in population and proportion of senior citizens is also increasing. The overall position is not so bad. Those in old age homes are a very small segment of whole society. Even in most ideal conditions, there will always be some without support- physical or financial from their own children. In some cases, the senior citizens do not have any younger one to look after them.

Most pathetic condition is of financially weak oldies. They need not only physical but also financial support. There is need to look after them same way as orphaned children are. They should be accommodated in old age homes that should be financed by government. Such collective financing may be far better than giving old age pension to individuals.

There are quite a few old age homes that are being financed by the government also by Christian institutions ...
When we look at the issue of old people staying with their children this is a trend that is seen in Asian culture more so in Indian culture where we grow up thinking that we have to support our parents during their old age by keeping them with us.It is a different in Western countries where once the children grow up , it is the norm for them to live separately.They are particular about their independence and prefer to manage their lives by themselves.When they are really old and unable to take care of themselves they join a old age home where they are looked after quite well ..

Although there is increase in old age homes, the fact remains that most senior citizens live with their families. There has been a large increase in population and proportion of senior citizens is also increasing. The overall position is not so bad. Those in old age homes are a very small segment of whole society. Even in most ideal conditions, there will always be some without support- physical or financial from their own children. In some cases, the senior citizens do not have any younger one to look after them.

Most pathetic condition is of financially weak oldies. They need not only physical but also financial support. There is need to look after them same way as orphaned children are. They should be accommodated in old age homes that should be financed by government. Such collective financing may be far better than giving old age pension to individuals.

Private old age home is better than Govt. though the charge is also more but facilities is also more.

There are quite a few old age homes that are being financed by the government also by Christian institutions ...
When we look at the issue of old people staying with their children this is a trend that is seen in Asian culture more so in Indian culture where we grow up thinking that we have to support our parents during their old age by keeping them with us.It is a different in Western countries where once the children grow up , it is the norm for them to live separately.They are particular about their independence and prefer to manage their lives by themselves.When they are really old and unable to take care of themselves they join a old age home where they are looked after quite well ..

Private old age home is better than Govt. though the charge is also more but facilities is also more.

I believe that many people don't have mentality to live with their old parents. They feel it bothersome. They somehow try to get rid of responsibilities. Very few people live with their parents and feel that they should live with them forever. They face many situation but they don't leave their parents alone.
Oldage homes are for those people who are old and alone. However, the youngsters have changed the motive behind the rise of such homes for old peoples. They send their parents to oldage homes to get rid of their responsibilities.
On the other hand, grandparents and parents they them self leave their children and start living in oldage homes because they want to live peacefull and happy last days of life.
According to me, problem lies in the mind of people. Their mentality should be changed. Education is not enough for them. Social awareness is necessary.

I believe that many people don't have mentality to live with their old parents. They feel it bothersome. They somehow try to get rid of responsibilities. Very few people live with their parents and feel that they should live with them forever. They face many situation but they don't leave their parents alone.
Oldage homes are for those people who are old and alone. However, the youngsters have changed the motive behind the rise of such homes for old peoples. They send their parents to oldage homes to get rid of their responsibilities.
On the other hand, grandparents and parents they them self leave their children and start living in oldage homes because they want to live peacefull and happy last days of life.
According to me, problem lies in the mind of people. Their mentality should be changed. Education is not enough for them. Social awareness is necessary.

Devyani you caught the point and if any have some moral sense then they don't behave like this.We should teach our children from childhood about morality.

Some have rightly stated that old age home is no substitute for own home. I agree. That is why I favor old age home as last resort. When some one is old and infirm and no family member to look after, old age home is the only alternative.

Here I may also compare old age to childhood. These days both parents go for job. The send their infants to child day care centers. This as also a topic for a GD. similar is case with aged. When son and daughter in law both go for job and the old man is infirm and sick, old age home may be good alternative just as day care center is for babies. However, even if the oldies are sent to old age home for better care, their families should not ignore them and visit them regularly. Old age is also a sort of illness and so old age home may be seen as a nursing home.

Incidentally, all oldies are not infirm and physically incapable. Many are healthy even at eighty and can well live in own house by themselves. The best thing is that everyone should remain active and mentally positive always. One may reduce physical activity on getting old but not finish this. There is a tendency in Indian families that when son grows up and is married, the old man and the woman stop working and depend on son and daughter in law. This happens even at age of just fifty years.

Some have rightly stated that old age home is no substitute for own home. I agree. That is why I favor old age home as last resort. When some one is old and infirm and no family member to look after, old age home is the only alternative.

Here I may also compare old age to childhood. These days both parents go for job. The send their infants to child day care centers. This as also a topic for a GD. similar is case with aged. When son and daughter in law both go for job and the old man is infirm and sick, old age home may be good alternative just as day care center is for babies. However, even if the oldies are sent to old age home for better care, their families should not ignore them and visit them regularly. Old age is also a sort of illness and so old age home may be seen as a nursing home.

Incidentally, all oldies are not infirm and physically incapable. Many are healthy even at eighty and can well live in own house by themselves. The best thing is that everyone should remain active and mentally positive always. One may reduce physical activity on getting old but not finish this. There is a tendency in Indian families that when son grows up and is married, the old man and the woman stop working and depend on son and daughter in law. This happens even at age of just fifty years.

Very true ! In fact, in most families the grand parents are the glorified nannies for their grand children.Nothing wrong in helping out but, it should not become a burden on them.In my town there was a case where an elderly couple were run over by a bus when they were bringing the 2 grandchildren home.One of the child ran to the other side and while trying to bring him back they got run over since both were slow due to their age.
Another issue is that many children work abroad and no doubt send enough money to their parents, but who is to take care of them ? There are several cases where the old people have themselves decided to join a old age home because they felt that was the best option available to them.

The senior citizens living alone in cities like Delhi have a security problem also. There are many criminals who target the senior citizens living alone. Several incidents of murder of senior citizens for robbing them of belongings have taken place in national capital. This issue is as significant as that of rape of working women at odd hours while returning home. The police need to provide special security for senior citizens living alone as they are very vulnerable. In many cases, the domestic servants are involved.

Apparently, old age homes are safer.

The senior citizens living alone in cities like Delhi have a security problem also. There are many criminals who target the senior citizens living alone. Several incidents of murder of senior citizens for robbing them of belongings have taken place in national capital. This issue is as significant as that of rape of working women at odd hours while returning home. The police need to provide special security for senior citizens living alone as they are very vulnerable. In many cases, the domestic servants are involved.

Apparently, old age homes are safer.

I agree with your point in recent years there have been many instances when the seniour citizens are murdered or robbed but i don't think it a valid reason for them to stay in the old age homes. :blink: This eventually can happen with any one and it happes but media highlights it when it happens with old people. :evil:

No doubt old age homes are safer but i think they need affection of their owns more than the safety :blink: .House build of walls are not enough for someone to live they need our support too. :blink:

Though hardly it happens as Devyani said most of the people don't understand their responsibility towards their parents once they get old they are thought to be like a scrap lying in a corner of the house. :evil:

We need to change this mentality but its tough as now people are more keen to adopt western culture blindly but they forget that in western country parents ask their kids also to stay alone and live their life separately does not matter if a kid is capable of living separately or not which rarely happens here. :blink:

In old age home they get also assistance and help of many other ol aged people.

I believe that many people don't have mentality to live with their old parents. They feel it bothersome. They somehow try to get rid of responsibilities. Very few people live with their parents and feel that they should live with them forever. They face many situation but they don't leave their parents alone.
Oldage homes are for those people who are old and alone. However, the youngsters have changed the motive behind the rise of such homes for old peoples. They send their parents to oldage homes to get rid of their responsibilities.
On the other hand, grandparents and parents they them self leave their children and start living in oldage homes because they want to live peacefull and happy last days of life.
According to me, problem lies in the mind of people. Their mentality should be changed. Education is not enough for them. Social awareness is necessary.

Devyani you caught the point and if any have some moral sense then they don't behave like this.We should teach our children from childhood about morality.

I would like to divert your attention one more and yet very important point.

It is not just unwillingness on the part of the children to look after their aged parents, but also to the fact, that in many cases the aged parents suffer from complicated diseases such as Alzheimer's etc. This requires specialized and attentive full time care which may not be possible if their children are working and many times, they are also not financially able to provide such care. At such times, old age homes provide the solution as they can provide both medical as well as palliative care to the aged. Please consider this point in your arguments too.

There are so many reasons those should be considered in this matter. I though it over seriously and reached to the conclusion that this is neither children' choice nor parents who are willing to live in an old age home but there are some unavoidable circumstances, which drive them to stay there.
For instance some people have no one to take care of them while they need it as every one knows that this is considered son's responsibility to take care of parents daughters are no lesser caring these days. Anyway, the question is if old persons have to stay in old age homes- Isn't it the responsibility of our government to provide them a proper shelter and decent living and proper treatment that they need most? If government can spend such a huge amount on unproductive expenditures, why can't they arrange for much needed shelters senior citizens? I salute NGOs doing great job running Helpage, Sandhya, Aradhna, Pitra Raksha and many such homes.
I shall be pleased to see our governments coming forward and take care of old people with immediate effect.

There are so many reasons those should be considered in this matter. I though it over seriously and reached to the conclusion that this is neither children' choice nor parents who are willing to live in an old age home but there are some unavoidable circumstances, which drive them to stay there.
For instance some people have no one to take care of them while they need it as every one knows that this is considered son's responsibility to take care of parents daughters are no lesser caring these days. Anyway, the question is if old persons have to stay in old age homes- Isn't it the responsibility of our government to provide them a proper shelter and decent living and proper treatment that they need most? If government can spend such a huge amount on unproductive expenditures, why can't they arrange for much needed shelters senior citizens? I salute NGOs doing great job running Helpage, Sandhya, Aradhna, Pitra Raksha and many such homes.
I shall be pleased to see our governments coming forward and take care of old people with immediate effect.

But do you think government would be able to spend that much money?. :blink: The answer is "NO".When they have fixed pension of 1000~1500 Rs for them and they think that it is sufficient for them still do you think they would spend millions of money on the old age homes. :blink:

If they do it then it would be the best place for them to live.

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Sure Government should come forward for such Old age home.. But SJ is right. I don't think they are even thinking about them. Or I have never heard about Government helping some Old age home.

SJ.. I still think home with family is the best place to live.. Not all people think about money in old age.. Family is more important.. So it can't be best place for sure.

There are so many reasons those should be considered in this matter. I though it over seriously and reached to the conclusion that this is neither children' choice nor parents who are willing to live in an old age home but there are some unavoidable circumstances, which drive them to stay there.
For instance some people have no one to take care of them while they need it as every one knows that this is considered son's responsibility to take care of parents daughters are no lesser caring these days. Anyway, the question is if old persons have to stay in old age homes- Isn't it the responsibility of our government to provide them a proper shelter and decent living and proper treatment that they need most? If government can spend such a huge amount on unproductive expenditures, why can't they arrange for much needed shelters senior citizens? I salute NGOs doing great job running Helpage, Sandhya, Aradhna, Pitra Raksha and many such homes.
I shall be pleased to see our governments coming forward and take care of old people with immediate effect.

I agree that the NGOs are doing good job. In fact, I have also been contributing to Helpage. Helpage provides financial assistant to many old age organizations in India. In fact, Help Age is apex body. Help Age has huge funds at disposal. Help Age is also running some mobile vans for medical care, conducts cataract operations and runs some old age homes. There is need to strengthen such organizations.

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