I am Neither Going to Heaven nor Hell!

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

First we hurt you, then we heal you in the name of Religion and then we make you believe that heaven and hell are ultimate destinations. Then we Impose them on you and then We Rule- (Religion-Philosophy Theory)

No people won't hurt others if they fear from God if that fear vanishes away may be people won't care for anyone. :blink:

No Man i am not talking about common people. This is about the old pundits who have introduced such stuff. Yes sometimes its a good way to control but on the other hand , that's how they can divide, make you fight and rule you...

I am also talking about so called ----whatever you call them.

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

Very funny. You need fictitious places like heaven and hell to generate fear of hypothetical entity i.e. God.

Religion is based on falsehood, greed and fear. That is why this cannot improve peoples' moral character. You offer people 'hoors, menakas etc' (pretty women) and wine and all luxury in heaven if they are pious and sacrificing worldly comforts. why will an intelligent live a life of self denial just to get in fictitious heaven what he may get on Earth. Instead of waiting for 'hoors' in heaven, he womanizes on Earth and even rapes. Thus religion only promotes sin and offences and anti social activities.

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

Very funny. You need fictitious places like heaven and hell to generate fear of hypothetical entity i.e. God.

Religion is based on falsehood, greed and fear. That is why this cannot improve peoples' moral character. You offer people 'hoors, menakas etc' (pretty women) and wine and all luxury in heaven if they are pious and sacrificing worldly comforts. why will an intelligent live a life of self denial just to get in fictitious heaven what he may get on Earth. Instead of waiting for 'hoors' in heaven, he womanizes on Earth and even rapes. Thus religion only promotes sin and offences and anti social activities.

You said what I wanted to, but you know so called religious people would come after me as if I was the greatest sinner.

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

Very funny. You need fictitious places like heaven and hell to generate fear of hypothetical entity i.e. God.

Religion is based on falsehood, greed and fear. That is why this cannot improve peoples' moral character. You offer people 'hoors, menakas etc' (pretty women) and wine and all luxury in heaven if they are pious and sacrificing worldly comforts. why will an intelligent live a life of self denial just to get in fictitious heaven what he may get on Earth. Instead of waiting for 'hoors' in heaven, he womanizes on Earth and even rapes. Thus religion only promotes sin and offences and anti social activities.

Gukshanji i have never gone to hell or heaven but i am sure in heaven there are not only hoors and wine there are several more comforts compared to hell where people are beaten and badly punished for their bad deeds. Therefore people don't like to go to hell not that they want to live with apsaras and wine in heaven. :laugh:

Moreover i am not a firm believer of God but i firmly believe that there should be someone above all of us with whom we could fear,it may be God or anything else. :blink:

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

Very funny. You need fictitious places like heaven and hell to generate fear of hypothetical entity i.e. God.

Religion is based on falsehood, greed and fear. That is why this cannot improve peoples' moral character. You offer people 'hoors, menakas etc' (pretty women) and wine and all luxury in heaven if they are pious and sacrificing worldly comforts. why will an intelligent live a life of self denial just to get in fictitious heaven what he may get on Earth. Instead of waiting for 'hoors' in heaven, he womanizes on Earth and even rapes. Thus religion only promotes sin and offences and anti social activities.

Gukshanji i have never gone to hell or heaven but i am sure in heaven there are not only hoors and wine there are several more comforts compared to hell where people are beaten and badly punished for their bad deeds. Therefore people don't like to go to hell not that they want to live with apsaras and wine in heaven. :laugh:

Moreover i am not a firm believer of God but i firmly believe that there should be someone above all of us with whom we could fear,it may be God or anything else. :blink:

I think hell or heaven is not so unbearable than staying is this world with troubles, diseases, disasters and much more. In anyway people depict hell as more dangerous place and heaven as most beautiful place. They forgot that they have proved that even heaven can be made as hell on earth

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

Very funny. You need fictitious places like heaven and hell to generate fear of hypothetical entity i.e. God.

Religion is based on falsehood, greed and fear. That is why this cannot improve peoples' moral character. You offer people 'hoors, menakas etc' (pretty women) and wine and all luxury in heaven if they are pious and sacrificing worldly comforts. why will an intelligent live a life of self denial just to get in fictitious heaven what he may get on Earth. Instead of waiting for 'hoors' in heaven, he womanizes on Earth and even rapes. Thus religion only promotes sin and offences and anti social activities.

Gukshanji i have never gone to hell or heaven but i am sure in heaven there are not only hoors and wine there are several more comforts compared to hell where people are beaten and badly punished for their bad deeds. Therefore people don't like to go to hell not that they want to live with apsaras and wine in heaven. :laugh:

Moreover i am not a firm believer of God but i firmly believe that there should be someone above all of us with whom we could fear,it may be God or anything else. :blink:

I think hell or heaven is not so unbearable than staying is this world with troubles, diseases, disasters and much more. In anyway people depict hell as more dangerous place and heaven as most beautiful place. They forgot that they have proved that even heaven can be made as hell on earth

May be the earth became hell as we did not care for it but heaven is still heaven because the rules there may be still strict and are followed strictly. :laugh:

Heaven and hell are fictitious places that really do not exist. You make any place worth living by cleanliness, technology, forestation, cultural activities and so on. Nobody may create either heaven or hell for you.

But let the people understand them as the real place the moment they come to know that these are fictitious place may be they will not fear from God. :blink:

Very funny. You need fictitious places like heaven and hell to generate fear of hypothetical entity i.e. God.

Religion is based on falsehood, greed and fear. That is why this cannot improve peoples' moral character. You offer people 'hoors, menakas etc' (pretty women) and wine and all luxury in heaven if they are pious and sacrificing worldly comforts. why will an intelligent live a life of self denial just to get in fictitious heaven what he may get on Earth. Instead of waiting for 'hoors' in heaven, he womanizes on Earth and even rapes. Thus religion only promotes sin and offences and anti social activities.

Gukshanji i have never gone to hell or heaven but i am sure in heaven there are not only hoors and wine there are several more comforts compared to hell where people are beaten and badly punished for their bad deeds. Therefore people don't like to go to hell not that they want to live with apsaras and wine in heaven. :laugh:

Moreover i am not a firm believer of God but i firmly believe that there should be someone above all of us with whom we could fear,it may be God or anything else. :blink:

You want some one whom we must fear. If there is nothing to fear, we should invent something to fear. We may thus create God whom we may fear. I repeat that you cannot bring improvement in society and improve human relations and social conditions or reduce crimes by such false notions as God, Heaven or hell.

I have neither accumulated enough virtues to earn a ticket to heaven nor have I committed enough sins to be consigned to hell. I would like be born in another planet to see the state of affairs there!
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According to me, for both our good and bad deeds we have to suffer in earth itself.
Yet sometimes I feel, God shows partiality while giving punishments to people :huh: :huh: :huh:

I have neither accumulated enough virtues to earn a ticket to heaven nor have I committed enough sins to be consigned to hell. I would like be born in another planet to see the state of affairs there!
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According to me, for both our good and bad deeds we have to suffer in earth itself.
Yet sometimes I feel, God shows partiality while giving punishments to people :huh: :huh: :huh:

Howe does God punish. People may get injured or lose owing to certain circumstances. If there were God and he would punish, there should be some fixed punishment and related to sin or crime like Indian Penal code.

The mills of the gods grind slowly but they grind exceedingly small!

I have neither accumulated enough virtues to earn a ticket to heaven nor have I committed enough sins to be consigned to hell. I would like be born in another planet to see the state of affairs there!
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According to me, for both our good and bad deeds we have to suffer in earth itself.
Yet sometimes I feel, God shows partiality while giving punishments to people :huh: :huh: :huh:

Howe does God punish. People may get injured or lose owing to certain circumstances. If there were God and he would punish, there should be some fixed punishment and related to sin or crime like Indian Penal code.

Am saying.....
Are we not seeing bad people and thieves living comfortably while very often, innocent people come to trouble frequently. If they are ready to close their eyes, no problem. But people with true heart can't do so :evil: :evil:

Then....many good and evil things coming to our life, can't be determined by our acts only. Isn't it?

There are different notions of good or evil. Prostitution is bad in most societies but this is normal for Bedia community.

Ultimately, if you do not play foul, go by social rules and law and do not cheat, you are a noble person. But if you cheat others and break social and legal norms, you deserve punishment. This may be in this world or as some say, in other after death world, by shifting to heaven or hell.

Heaven and hell are no doubt imaginary and differ from community to community. The Hindu swarg. nark differ from Muslim bahisht/ dojak. Some might have read Dante's inferno which is a classic book on hell.

In this world, reward and punishment are not same and depend on whether an individual is proved guilty or not. The events like sickness or accident are obviously not caused by good or bad deeds as some may hold. An accident will kill both- the noble and sinner.

There are different notions of good or evil. Prostitution is bad in most societies but this is normal for Bedia community.

Ultimately, if you do not play foul, go by social rules and law and do not cheat, you are a noble person. But if you cheat others and break social and legal norms, you deserve punishment. This may be in this world or as some say, in other after death world, by shifting to heaven or hell.

Heaven and hell are no doubt imaginary and differ from community to community. The Hindu swarg. nark differ from Muslim bahisht/ dojak. Some might have read Dante's inferno which is a classic book on hell.

In this world, reward and punishment are not same and depend on whether an individual is proved guilty or not. The events like sickness or accident are obviously not caused by good or bad deeds as some may hold. An accident will kill both- the noble and sinner.

And the crimes/sins for which people escape from the society and never proved guilty are ofthen said to be punished by God in hell.May be this is fictitious but this we believe from ages and whats wrong in beleiving it may be we don't do any crimes due to fear of it. :blink:

There are different notions of good or evil. Prostitution is bad in most societies but this is normal for Bedia community.

Ultimately, if you do not play foul, go by social rules and law and do not cheat, you are a noble person. But if you cheat others and break social and legal norms, you deserve punishment. This may be in this world or as some say, in other after death world, by shifting to heaven or hell.

Heaven and hell are no doubt imaginary and differ from community to community. The Hindu swarg. nark differ from Muslim bahisht/ dojak. Some might have read Dante's inferno which is a classic book on hell.

In this world, reward and punishment are not same and depend on whether an individual is proved guilty or not. The events like sickness or accident are obviously not caused by good or bad deeds as some may hold. An accident will kill both- the noble and sinner.

And the crimes/sins for which people escape from the society and never proved guilty are ofthen said to be punished by God in hell.May be this is fictitious but this we believe from ages and whats wrong in beleiving it may be we don't do any crimes due to fear of it. :blink:

Wrong is that this is untrue. Truth alone triumphs. Crimes do not reduce because no body takes heaven and hell seriously. Actually we need a better sense of social responsibility than false beliefs.

There are different notions of good or evil. Prostitution is bad in most societies but this is normal for Bedia community.

Ultimately, if you do not play foul, go by social rules and law and do not cheat, you are a noble person. But if you cheat others and break social and legal norms, you deserve punishment. This may be in this world or as some say, in other after death world, by shifting to heaven or hell.

Heaven and hell are no doubt imaginary and differ from community to community. The Hindu swarg. nark differ from Muslim bahisht/ dojak. Some might have read Dante's inferno which is a classic book on hell.

In this world, reward and punishment are not same and depend on whether an individual is proved guilty or not. The events like sickness or accident are obviously not caused by good or bad deeds as some may hold. An accident will kill both- the noble and sinner.

And the crimes/sins for which people escape from the society and never proved guilty are ofthen said to be punished by God in hell.May be this is fictitious but this we believe from ages and whats wrong in beleiving it may be we don't do any crimes due to fear of it. :blink:

Wrong is that this is untrue. Truth alone triumphs. Crimes do not reduce because no body takes heaven and hell seriously. Actually we need a better sense of social responsibility than false beliefs.

Definitely truth wins at the end.Crimes is not reducing because people don't take heaven or hell seriously. :)

May be here we differ in views but thats OK everyone has his/her way of thinking. :)

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Wrong is that this is untrue. Truth alone triumphs. Crimes do not reduce because no body takes heaven and hell seriously. Actually we need a better sense of social responsibility than false beliefs. [/quote]

Very true!! A better sense of responsibility and more empathy is what is needed rather than beliefs in something abstract like heaven and hell. To me, both exist on this very earth and each person gets to experience his or her own heaven and hell both during their lifetimes!

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Wrong is that this is untrue. Truth alone triumphs. Crimes do not reduce because no body takes heaven and hell seriously. Actually we need a better sense of social responsibility than false beliefs.

Very true!! A better sense of responsibility and more empathy is what is needed rather than beliefs in something abstract like heaven and hell. To me, both exist on this very earth and each person gets to experience his or her own heaven and hell both during their lifetimes![/quote]
The definition of hell or heaven does not match with my ideas, what I feel is that both of these are here on this very earth where one has to answer for his every deed before making his final departure -so beware.

I agree with @sunil...god is also within us. We cannt see..

The topic of discussion is really very interesting. I believe that Earth is punishment as well as reward area. People born on the earth, perform their duty, and if they do anything good, they get good results on earth. If they do anything bad, they get punishment on the earth.
Nobody surviving on earth can get rid of hardships and miseries.