Anti India slogan in JNU, Delhi

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

 

Did I point out specifically you ? Are you the only one who expressed such views ? What I said is my OWN opinion.

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

 

Did I point out specifically you ? Are you the only one who expressed such views ? What I said is my OWN opinion.

It is not about accusing anyone else or me but the point of discussion remains healthy when we try to see through what others are stating. We are bound to differ but when our opinion is written in a balanced way then only discussion becomes interesting and not authoritative. 

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

 

Did I point out specifically you ? Are you the only one who expressed such views ? What I said is my OWN opinion.

It is not about accusing anyone else or me but the point of discussion remains healthy when we try to see through what others are stating. We are bound to differ but when our opinion is written in a balanced way then only discussion becomes interesting and not authoritative.

 

If you have seen authority in my comment, its unfortunate. What all I know is that I expressed in a simple and clear way in a general point of view.

There are people in our country who feel strongly about certain issues which go against popular sentiment. Afzal Guru's trial and hanging happens to be one of them. Because there is freedom of speech, they express themselves. Having exercised their right  now others are condemning them. Till then it is OK. However when police is involved and government takes sides on hearsay the balance gets upset.  Now to justify they will fabricate and use coercive methods to prove they are right. Matter is not simple as is made out. 

Yes matter is not so simple. Because as you said  government takes sides on hearsay. now it has to be seen who is acting on Hearsay, Government or sympathizers.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

I am agree with you that it is early to say some thing final about this case. here we are not giving and judgement it is only gossip and it is based on information which we are receiving from different means. Why Delhi police commission said we will not oppose on bail, it is their internal matter.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

Reading your comments reminds me  of old times when Hindus always  justified all illogical things. So sad and one can see how even now the Hindus will lose. The reason is clear.

MG Singh wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

Reading your comments reminds me  of old times when Hindus always  justified all illogical things. So sad and one can see how even now the Hindus will lose. The reason is clear.

I am not here to justify your thinking so it's up to you to reach to a conclusion. 

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

anil wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

The whole incident reminds me of the bollywood movie Maachis where an innocent youth was picked up by the police. It actually happens and for the police the soft target is the innocent young minds and ultimately their lives get thrashed. If we go by the media report then we are now very sure about one fact that the JNU student's union President got falsely implicated. This is not a fair handling of a situation.  

Now this case is in court, SC refused for bail of president of JNU. It is job of court declare some one innocent or guilty. What you write here may be right but why president called meeting in university campus without permission of Adm.

SC did not refuse the bail but it said that he must file the bail petition in HC first and that's why it did not hear the case. I know it is in the court but, do you think we should not have any voice about any case which is in court? We can easily discuss issues among ourselves. Next is if anyone called a meeting without permission means he/she is anti-nationalists, isn't it too much?

Don't forgot agenda of meeting. Afzal guru! It is opinion that one should not be allowed to favor a person who is punished by court. 

The very purpose of the meeting was to protest against the hanging of Afzal Guru.

He is not yet punished by the court so I think everyone has the right to opine. Secondly, you must not forget that even The Delhi Police Commissioner has stated that if the accused student make a bail plea then the police department will not oppose it. I think this whole episode is quite deep rooted so we from outside should not judge on the basis of what we are made to see. I always feel that we come up with judgement very easily when the accused is not our own but that's not fair when we know that in many ways students do get trapped. So, let's pray that if the accused is really responsible for all kind of negative protests then he should not be spared but if otherwise then his life should not be shunted as it is being done now. 

 

I'm amazed seeing those who still think that innocents are framed by the Administration of the university and the central Government. What happened in JNU and aftermath is a clear cut case of Treason.

Culprits must be punished.

Don't assume and come to a conclusion. None in this thread has accused the administration of JNU and the Central Government. For God's sake don't try to cut everyone's opinion because all are free to opine. You are free to speak your mind but don't comment accusingly.

Reading your comments reminds me  of old times when Hindus always  justified all illogical things. So sad and one can see how even now the Hindus will lose. The reason is clear.

I am not here to justify your thinking so it's up to you to reach to a conclusion. 

Members are free to express their respective opinions on this platform.

Members should practice civilty in discussion..If a member points out from hstory the defeat of Hindus as a analogy, there is no need to take offence. This is a fact. Sadly so many armchair specialists are in this discussion who feel what they say is gospel truth.

A point that so called champions of 'truth' fail to realize that a nation is not built on tolerance. In Pakistan a young man has been sentenced to 10 years in jail for flying the Indian flag. ( he was a fan of Kohli).   Nation cannot be built on tolerance. This earlier caused the defeat of Hindus. All the culprits need to be arrested and sent to jail. I would advocate flogging like in Singapore.  I was in Singapore when an Indian was flogged on orders of court for a trivial offence.

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

rambabu wrote:

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

Yes Rambabu, you have hit the nail on the head. great comment

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

Yes Rambabu, you have hit the nail on the head. great comment

In this context, I recall an opinion expressed by one of our learned members. His wise words are still ringing in my ears. He said, if some member refuses to accept the other member's opinion, leave it. We need a congenial atmosphere in these discussion forums.

 

 

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

Yes Rambabu, you have hit the nail on the head. great comment

In this context, I recall an opinion expressed by one of our learned members. His wise words are still ringing in my ears. He said, if some member refuses to accept the other member's opinion, leave it. We need a congenial atmosphere in these discussion forums.

 

 

 

This is a case of the pan calling the kettle black....Rambabu's is a view  typical of a fence sitter shifting his views as things go LOL....so I find it ludicrous that he is lecturing about losing temper , when he himself is insulting and rude to many members ..

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

Yes Rambabu, you have hit the nail on the head. great comment

In this context, I recall an opinion expressed by one of our learned members. His wise words are still ringing in my ears. He said, if some member refuses to accept the other member's opinion, leave it. We need a congenial atmosphere in these discussion forums.

 

 

 

This is a case of the pan calling the kettle black....Rambabu's is a view  typical of a fence sitter shifting his views as things go LOL....so I find it ludicrous that he is lecturing about losing temper , when he himself is insulting and rude to many members ..

Can you quote a single instance where I insulted and behaved rudely with another member ? This is a baseless allegation.

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

Yes Rambabu, you have hit the nail on the head. great comment

In this context, I recall an opinion expressed by one of our learned members. His wise words are still ringing in my ears. He said, if some member refuses to accept the other member's opinion, leave it. We need a congenial atmosphere in these discussion forums.

 

 

 

This is a case of the pan calling the kettle black....Rambabu's is a view  typical of a fence sitter shifting his views as things go LOL....so I find it ludicrous that he is lecturing about losing temper , when he himself is insulting and rude to many members ..

Can you quote a single instance where I insulted and behaved rudely with another member ? This is a baseless allegation.

 

Since you have enough time on hand as told by you time and again , for a starter you could go through your various discussions without any bias ..

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I sincerely feel, in a discussion forum, the question of losing temper by the members is unhealthy. If a member comes up with a convincing response related to the Thread, one has to be broadminded and accept the other member's response.Only undesirable fact is, no member should force  his opinion.

Yes Rambabu, you have hit the nail on the head. great comment

In this context, I recall an opinion expressed by one of our learned members. His wise words are still ringing in my ears. He said, if some member refuses to accept the other member's opinion, leave it. We need a congenial atmosphere in these discussion forums.

 

 

 

This is a case of the pan calling the kettle black....Rambabu's is a view  typical of a fence sitter shifting his views as things go LOL....so I find it ludicrous that he is lecturing about losing temper , when he himself is insulting and rude to many members ..

Can you quote a single instance where I insulted and behaved rudely with another member ? This is a baseless allegation.

 

Since you have enough time on hand as told by you time and again , for a starter you could go through your various discussions without any bias ..

Since you alleged about my rude behaviour, it would be appropriate for you to quote about my rude behaviour. Anyhow, this kind of allegations and counter allegations will not lead us anywhere. As a gesture of goodwill and modesty, I withdraw. I don't have anything to add to this discussion.

Every one is innocent unless proved. But there is mass frenzy created by the saffron elements. It is said patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. This is amply demonstrated by language and deeds of the saffron hooligans who do not want the legal process to go on but want to settle on street by intimidation and hooliganism.  It is the hooliganism and frenzy created by the saffron goons that is creating all trouble. In normal circumstances, the accused would either surrendered before police/ court and the matter would be decided lawfully. But owing to the frenzy and madness created by saffron elements, the accused don't feel safe to surrender either before police or court.

Moreover this is not a question of treason as such. The larger question is that the saffron gang is creating an impression that whosoever has divergent views is traitor.  They have manipulated videos and other documents by photoshop and other  tricks.

What we need is restoration of normalcy so that the case (if any) be decided judicially. If the police have only fake evidence, as appears, it is best that they withdraw and beg pardon. Otherwise, let the judicial process  begin and come to finality according to due judicial process. Till the issue is resolved  by due process of law, the saffron party should refrain from issuing certificate of patriotism (or treachery). I*t may also not be out of place to mention that large number of Indians- Muslims, Christians, Dalits and even those who do not agree with divisive fascist Hindutva ideology, are outside the concept of 'Nation' ofr the saffron elements. This means that the real anti national are the saffron elements.