Nepal rebuffed India's advice on their Constitution. I am amused by forum members welcoming secular Nepal while they generally condemn secularism in India!!!

But today i read in the news that MEA has cautioned the Nepal government, to stop the violence in a phased manner, in order to implement secularism in the constitution.

 

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

suni51 wrote:

Whenever I visited Nepal I found its people very friendly but same was not the case during my visit in 2009. I think the Nepal is more influenced by China and the relations with India will further deteriorate. I am sorry to see the only nation that was associated with Hindus has lost its status. Medheshi Community that worked real hard for uplifting Nepal has been treated too badly in its new constitution.

India government make it clear to Nepal that his new consitituion is not accepted to us.  

 

anil wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Whenever I visited Nepal I found its people very friendly but same was not the case during my visit in 2009. I think the Nepal is more influenced by China and the relations with India will further deteriorate. I am sorry to see the only nation that was associated with Hindus has lost its status. Medheshi Community that worked real hard for uplifting Nepal has been treated too badly in its new constitution.

India government make it clear to Nepal that his new consitituion is not accepted to us.  

Indian government has cautioned Nepal government because, the violence that eructed may spread to Bihar which has a border line with India. But Bihar did not hear us. India is not cooperating with Nepal in this regard.

 

 

Nepal is a new Republic. I hope these are teething problems. The Nepal Government and people will ultimately resolve their problems. Some member has atated that the new constitution is not acceptable. This is a very wrong view. Nepal is a sovereign state and we cannot interfere with their choice.  some would be happy if Nepal remained a Hindu state. Thee are also some who want revival of monarchy. But it is their choice.  we must respect their choice and not interfere with their sovereignty.   

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Nepal is a new Republic. I hope these are teething problems. The Nepal Government and people will ultimately resolve their problems. Some member has atated that the new constitution is not acceptable. This is a very wrong view. Nepal is a sovereign state and we cannot interfere with their choice.  some would be happy if Nepal remained a Hindu state. Thee are also some who want revival of monarchy. But it is their choice.  we must respect their choice and not interfere with their sovereignty.

Irrespective of others wishes and views, its always better to stay away from other country's internal matters. And  India should stay away from Nepal's internal matters.

 

So many elements incl those in power do not follow our own constitution but are full of advise to Nepal regarding its new constitution. What is surprising to many is that 97% Hindu Nepal has chosen to be secular. This is the true essence of Hinduism. 

True. Advising is the easiest job. It doesn't attract any tax. Minding our own business or remaining neutral is the best course.

 

rambabu wrote:

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

Because everything that happens around us has a direct or indirect effect on our nation. Nepal is a friendly country and we have to make sure that things would continue to be so, and any change in the policies would have an impact on us.Pakistan is a messed up affair which probably will never be set right and all the more reason to see that Nepal does not go the same way. If expressing a view is interference then why start this discussion at all ? just to endorse the view of the member ?

rambabu wrote:

True. Advising is the easiest job. It doesn't attract any tax. Minding our own business or remaining neutral is the best course.

 

 

Let's hope that Nepal's political leaders will display the necessary flexibility and maturity at this crucial time to ensure a durable and resilient Constitution that has broad-based acceptance.

 

 

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

Because everything that happens around us has a direct or indirect effect on our nation. Nepal is a friendly country and we have to make sure that things would continue to be so, and any change in the policies would have an impact on us.Pakistan is a messed up affair which probably will never be set right and all the more reason to see that Nepal does not go the same way. If expressing a view is interference then why start this discussion at all ? just to endorse the view of the member ?

Fiscussion on forum or media on events in a country does notamount to interference. This is only when government does so. There is lot of news and comments about all events in any country. This is not interference. If government of India or Govt. of China or  any other government coerces or indulges in undue influence, this will be interference. 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

Because everything that happens around us has a direct or indirect effect on our nation. Nepal is a friendly country and we have to make sure that things would continue to be so, and any change in the policies would have an impact on us.Pakistan is a messed up affair which probably will never be set right and all the more reason to see that Nepal does not go the same way. If expressing a view is interference then why start this discussion at all ? just to endorse the view of the member ?

Fiscussion on forum or media on events in a country does notamount to interference. This is only when government does so. There is lot of news and comments about all events in any country. This is not interference. If government of India or Govt. of China or  any other government coerces or indulges in undue influence, this will be interference. 

Forum discussions are no way considered as interference. Certainly interfering in the policies of one government by any other country is interference and should be avoided.

 

 

The question is surely not one of how a sovereign state exercises its sovereign powers but our troubled ties with this nation.India's problems with its small neighbors stems from their discomfort and a sense of jealousy in India's rising status. Added to this phenomenon is the Chinese expansionist designs to use them to torment and nettle India in every possible manner. Thus developments in this nations call for a deeper insight to study their ramifications It definitely poses a formidable challenge to our foreign policy makers.

@ Chinmoy Thats exactly the point I was making earlier that no matter how small a nation is, it still can have a lot of impact on us. India has always interfered in other nations internal matters be it Bangla Desh or Sri Lanka.I hope it does not happen with Nepal too when China is trying its level best to create tension !

usha manohar wrote:

@ Chinmoy Thats exactly the point I was making earlier that no matter how small a nation is, it still can have a lot of impact on us. India has always interfered in other nations internal matters be it Bangla Desh or Sri Lanka.I hope it does not happen with Nepal too when China is trying its level best to create tension !

India did not interfere with Srilanka but only sent army at request of the Srilankan government. The Bangladesh issue is very diffent. There was large scale genocide and repression of local population by West Pakistan rulers. apparently, Idia interfered there to safeguard the entire people there.   There is no such situation in Nepal.

As regards protecting our interests and arresting chinese influence, this is a matter of diplomacy, which is subtle and latent.   

 

True. It was on the request of Srilankan government under Indo Srilankan accord, IPKF, Indian Peace Keeping forces were sent aimed to end Sri Lankan civil war. between Sri Lankan  Tamil Nationalists and Sri Lankan army.

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

@ Chinmoy Thats exactly the point I was making earlier that no matter how small a nation is, it still can have a lot of impact on us. India has always interfered in other nations internal matters be it Bangla Desh or Sri Lanka.I hope it does not happen with Nepal too when China is trying its level best to create tension !

India did not interfere with Srilanka but only sent army at request of the Srilankan government. The Bangladesh issue is very diffent. There was large scale genocide and repression of local population by West Pakistan rulers. apparently, Idia interfered there to safeguard the entire people there.   There is no such situation in Nepal.

As regards protecting our interests and arresting chinese influence, this is a matter of diplomacy, which is subtle and latent.   

 

What was done in Srilanka was foolish without going into the ground realities which were that we was going against the Tamils, it was largely to prove a point with regard to Kashmir that such a step was taken which backfired on us, we should have remained neutral...Bangla Desh no doubt is a different issue but for years we have had problems from them ..Nepal as of now is a friend !

Any way look at it, be it with the consent or agreement between India and other countries interference with other country's policies or matters should  the last word for India for its own good. We have seen the repercussions of our interference in Bangla Desh.

Whether Nepal is a friend as of now or otherwise, we will know over a period.