A new secular republic is our neighbor

rambabu wrote:

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

Because everything that happens around us has a direct or indirect effect on our nation. Nepal is a friendly country and we have to make sure that things would continue to be so, and any change in the policies would have an impact on us.Pakistan is a messed up affair which probably will never be set right and all the more reason to see that Nepal does not go the same way. If expressing a view is interference then why start this discussion at all ? just to endorse the view of the member ?

rambabu wrote:

True. Advising is the easiest job. It doesn't attract any tax. Minding our own business or remaining neutral is the best course.

 

 

Let's hope that Nepal's political leaders will display the necessary flexibility and maturity at this crucial time to ensure a durable and resilient Constitution that has broad-based acceptance.

 

 

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

Because everything that happens around us has a direct or indirect effect on our nation. Nepal is a friendly country and we have to make sure that things would continue to be so, and any change in the policies would have an impact on us.Pakistan is a messed up affair which probably will never be set right and all the more reason to see that Nepal does not go the same way. If expressing a view is interference then why start this discussion at all ? just to endorse the view of the member ?

Fiscussion on forum or media on events in a country does notamount to interference. This is only when government does so. There is lot of news and comments about all events in any country. This is not interference. If government of India or Govt. of China or  any other government coerces or indulges in undue influence, this will be interference. 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Why, India should bother if Nepal adopts secularism or not ? And if India thinks we will not have a peaceful neighbor. Let it be. Are we living peacefully with a hostile country like Pakistan, where there is no secularism ?

 

Because everything that happens around us has a direct or indirect effect on our nation. Nepal is a friendly country and we have to make sure that things would continue to be so, and any change in the policies would have an impact on us.Pakistan is a messed up affair which probably will never be set right and all the more reason to see that Nepal does not go the same way. If expressing a view is interference then why start this discussion at all ? just to endorse the view of the member ?

Fiscussion on forum or media on events in a country does notamount to interference. This is only when government does so. There is lot of news and comments about all events in any country. This is not interference. If government of India or Govt. of China or  any other government coerces or indulges in undue influence, this will be interference. 

Forum discussions are no way considered as interference. Certainly interfering in the policies of one government by any other country is interference and should be avoided.

 

 

The question is surely not one of how a sovereign state exercises its sovereign powers but our troubled ties with this nation.India's problems with its small neighbors stems from their discomfort and a sense of jealousy in India's rising status. Added to this phenomenon is the Chinese expansionist designs to use them to torment and nettle India in every possible manner. Thus developments in this nations call for a deeper insight to study their ramifications It definitely poses a formidable challenge to our foreign policy makers.

@ Chinmoy Thats exactly the point I was making earlier that no matter how small a nation is, it still can have a lot of impact on us. India has always interfered in other nations internal matters be it Bangla Desh or Sri Lanka.I hope it does not happen with Nepal too when China is trying its level best to create tension !

usha manohar wrote:

@ Chinmoy Thats exactly the point I was making earlier that no matter how small a nation is, it still can have a lot of impact on us. India has always interfered in other nations internal matters be it Bangla Desh or Sri Lanka.I hope it does not happen with Nepal too when China is trying its level best to create tension !

India did not interfere with Srilanka but only sent army at request of the Srilankan government. The Bangladesh issue is very diffent. There was large scale genocide and repression of local population by West Pakistan rulers. apparently, Idia interfered there to safeguard the entire people there.   There is no such situation in Nepal.

As regards protecting our interests and arresting chinese influence, this is a matter of diplomacy, which is subtle and latent.   

 

True. It was on the request of Srilankan government under Indo Srilankan accord, IPKF, Indian Peace Keeping forces were sent aimed to end Sri Lankan civil war. between Sri Lankan  Tamil Nationalists and Sri Lankan army.

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

@ Chinmoy Thats exactly the point I was making earlier that no matter how small a nation is, it still can have a lot of impact on us. India has always interfered in other nations internal matters be it Bangla Desh or Sri Lanka.I hope it does not happen with Nepal too when China is trying its level best to create tension !

India did not interfere with Srilanka but only sent army at request of the Srilankan government. The Bangladesh issue is very diffent. There was large scale genocide and repression of local population by West Pakistan rulers. apparently, Idia interfered there to safeguard the entire people there.   There is no such situation in Nepal.

As regards protecting our interests and arresting chinese influence, this is a matter of diplomacy, which is subtle and latent.   

 

What was done in Srilanka was foolish without going into the ground realities which were that we was going against the Tamils, it was largely to prove a point with regard to Kashmir that such a step was taken which backfired on us, we should have remained neutral...Bangla Desh no doubt is a different issue but for years we have had problems from them ..Nepal as of now is a friend !

Any way look at it, be it with the consent or agreement between India and other countries interference with other country's policies or matters should  the last word for India for its own good. We have seen the repercussions of our interference in Bangla Desh.

Whether Nepal is a friend as of now or otherwise, we will know over a period.

India's Srilankan was very much of an interference. I remember how bitterly that country was divided on this with its then President and PM holding completely contrarian views. in fact the PM Premadasa openly ridiculing IPKF operations. It was a costly and needless to say,triggered the process of throwing this country into the open arms of China and Pakistan. It has been the single misfortune of the people of Asia ,especially S.E Asia that its leader never rise above their petty egos and mutual suspicion to forge constructive relationship s unlike leaders of Europe.Even the USA has friendly and peaceful relationship in its immediate neighborhood.

I agree. The original intention was the Indian Peace Keeping Force would not be involved in large scale military operations.

But the agreement was violated. ( I came to know later) IPKF engaged the LTTE in a series of battles. There was serious outrage in the SriLankan Government. Ultimately IPKF was forced to withdraw.

To sum up, any unsolicited interference in the other countries by India is not desirable.

 

 

 

I like the observation of @ Chinmoy' that It has been the single misfortune of the people of Asia ,especially S.E Asia that its leader never rise above their petty egos and mutual suspicion to forge constructive relationship s unlike leaders of Europe' . What is his suggestion for the leaders of Pakistan and India to resolve the Kashmir dispute? keeping their mutual suspicion and petty egos aside. I am asking this genuinely to understand and not otherwise.

Perhaps the leaders of India and Pakistan are above suggestions  or not worh with regards to Kashmir dispute.

 

It is best to respect sovereignty of Nepal. They were Hindu nation. This was the choice of king as soverign head. Times have changed and people have given unto them a secularconstitution. This is not palatable to many.  Nepal is our very close neighbor and we have age old ties with them. It is necessary to safeguard our interests also. But wer have to be very careful and be tactful. Otherwise other countries nay gain advantage. 

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-will-establish-link-with-china-through-road-if-blockade-doesn-t-end-nepal-2129049

 

The link says Gautam the foreign minister blamed the government of India, . Further he said that all border check posts along Indian border have closed down and the Indian government has fully supported the blockade.

In this scenario as you said India should exercise utmost caution and tact.

 

Indian politicians themselves are not united but they are to be blamed for India's downfall in every sector including relations with neighboring countries. Unless we have unity as far national interests are concerned we should not expect other countries to respect us in any field. Our politicians can go to any length showing each other down and that is one of the reasons government fails to concentrate on burning issues. And I must say no party is exception in this matter.

On the whole our policy makers should exercise  diplomacy and tactics so that our relations with neighboring countries are not strained. The best policy, in my view is to maintain neutrality in this regard.

 

The crisis in Nepal is deepening. India has warned Nepal against playing Chuna card. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/india-asks-nepal-to-solve-crisis-warns-against-china-card/story-X52JaCNSZn0JrLNdJvieDJ.html