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"Do you think education is only key to success?"
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The main point to be considered that there are many factors to achieve success in ones life along with the education. Education alone cannot hit the wall.
The decisions, the versatility, the eagerness, the determination, the connections, the hard work, creativity, entrepreneurial mind, a little luck plus your overall personality add it to your education, these make the key to success.
The decisions, the versatility, the eagerness, the determination, the connections, the hard work, creativity, entrepreneurial mind, a little luck plus your overall personality add it to your education, these make the key to success.
Kartik has stated that primary education is not necessary but higher education is necessary for success. Here is contradiction. You cannot get higher education if you have no primary education. It is possible that you were a weak student in the beginning by gradually improved and were a good student at higher level.
We have to define shat is primary education. To me, primary education means learning Reading, Writing and arithmetic- also called three R. Now we may add computer literacy to the basic primary education.
It is obvious that one get not get higher education without knowledge of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic computer skills.
For success, you need primary education, which is general and common to all plus specialization in relevant field. Here we may divide jobs into unskilled, semi skilled and highly skilled. Higher the skill, more necessary the higher education. You need sound theoretical training and experience in the chosen field. Experience is nothing but practising what you have learned in theory. Practical experience is also part of education.
I conclude that education- formal or informal- primary/ basic and special education in chosen career is must for success.
We have to define shat is primary education. To me, primary education means learning Reading, Writing and arithmetic- also called three R. Now we may add computer literacy to the basic primary education.
It is obvious that one get not get higher education without knowledge of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic computer skills.
For success, you need primary education, which is general and common to all plus specialization in relevant field. Here we may divide jobs into unskilled, semi skilled and highly skilled. Higher the skill, more necessary the higher education. You need sound theoretical training and experience in the chosen field. Experience is nothing but practising what you have learned in theory. Practical experience is also part of education.
I conclude that education- formal or informal- primary/ basic and special education in chosen career is must for success.
Lohit I agree with you. The only difference is way of expression. For me education consists of not only the theoretical knowledge but also the art of perfectly using the technique.
I wish to add a true story. Some boys were swimming in a river. Uuddenly, they heard cry of a drowning man. They saved him. They asked him his name. They found that the man they saved had a name similar to author of the textbook on swimming. They told this to that man. He told that he is author of the text book. The students were surprised. But the author said- 'My boys. I wrote the book on swimming and you mastered the art by good practice. Alas- I only wrote but did not practise."
Another instance. One friend of mine wanted me to teach him type writing. He just noted down the key board alphabets- ASDFG- QWERT and told me that he would type within a weak. after a weak, he told me that he had learnt. He spoke out the entire key board. But he could not type. His fingers needed the practice and there was no need to learn the key board like a parrot.
I wish to add a true story. Some boys were swimming in a river. Uuddenly, they heard cry of a drowning man. They saved him. They asked him his name. They found that the man they saved had a name similar to author of the textbook on swimming. They told this to that man. He told that he is author of the text book. The students were surprised. But the author said- 'My boys. I wrote the book on swimming and you mastered the art by good practice. Alas- I only wrote but did not practise."
Another instance. One friend of mine wanted me to teach him type writing. He just noted down the key board alphabets- ASDFG- QWERT and told me that he would type within a weak. after a weak, he told me that he had learnt. He spoke out the entire key board. But he could not type. His fingers needed the practice and there was no need to learn the key board like a parrot.
Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.
@Gulshan, you are very right at your views..
Infact this is the change needed in our education system, theoretical knowledge to be accompanied by practical work, and for those who cannot afford theoretical knowledge, a must and trained practical knowledge is to be given to them, then every person of the society will be successful educated.
Infact this is the change needed in our education system, theoretical knowledge to be accompanied by practical work, and for those who cannot afford theoretical knowledge, a must and trained practical knowledge is to be given to them, then every person of the society will be successful educated.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.[/quote]
If there are exceptions of the uneducated successful people, then there are exceptions of educated unsuccessful people, the different thing is that they are uncommon people and we hardly come to know about them.
There are many exceptions where a man having degree or properly educated is not having even a job. And also having a job with intermediate salary with education, you cannot say a person is successful.
A very common example is a street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job.
[quote]Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.[/quote]
If there are exceptions of the uneducated successful people, then there are exceptions of educated unsuccessful people, the different thing is that they are uncommon people and we hardly come to know about them.
There are many exceptions where a man having degree or properly educated is not having even a job. And also having a job with intermediate salary with education, you cannot say a person is successful.
A very common example is a street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job.
Lohit- You have given good example of illiterate businessman. Apparently, the businessman had good skills in business management obtained through experience- may be hereditary. But still education is a virtue. If some one can do without eye sight, we cannot say that blindness is virtue and eyesight is not necessary. similarly about education.
You mentioned that the businessman retorted that he would be just a manager if he had got education. Here I am reminded of a nice real life story. There was a church boy who would guide the churchgoers to their seats by using torch. One day, the bishop asked him about his education. He told that he was illiterate. The bishop asked him to learn reading and writing if he wanted his job. The boy got annoyed and left the church immediately. But he did not know what to do. He was perplexed. So, he got the urge to smoke. He could not get cigarette anyway. This gave him idea and he opened a tobacco shop. He opened many more shops. One day he went to a bank for loan. He could not sign loan paper. The bank manager was impressed and he said- wonderful- You are so successful. If educated, you would be at top of the world. But the tobacco merchant laughed and said- No sir, if educated, I would still be in church.
But such examples are rare. Even the illiterate business men need educated employees.
You mentioned that the businessman retorted that he would be just a manager if he had got education. Here I am reminded of a nice real life story. There was a church boy who would guide the churchgoers to their seats by using torch. One day, the bishop asked him about his education. He told that he was illiterate. The bishop asked him to learn reading and writing if he wanted his job. The boy got annoyed and left the church immediately. But he did not know what to do. He was perplexed. So, he got the urge to smoke. He could not get cigarette anyway. This gave him idea and he opened a tobacco shop. He opened many more shops. One day he went to a bank for loan. He could not sign loan paper. The bank manager was impressed and he said- wonderful- You are so successful. If educated, you would be at top of the world. But the tobacco merchant laughed and said- No sir, if educated, I would still be in church.
But such examples are rare. Even the illiterate business men need educated employees.
Aastha- I agree. Education is necessary tool for success but it is not necessary that every one can use this or has opportunity to use this tool. Education is mandatory in certain jobs like medicines, engineering. But for many jobs, there is no prescribed qualification, and an uneducated may be more success. But in ultimate analysis, we should consider education not only formal but also informal. Theory and practice both are part of education. some have less formal education but they are good at actual work. They are more practical. There are many educated persons who have less practical experience and lack self confidence.
But in general, education is necessary for success. We cannot advise anyone to avoid getting professional qualification.
But in general, education is necessary for success. We cannot advise anyone to avoid getting professional qualification.
Lohit- You have raised a very good point about what success constitutes. Success means achievement. Achievers are successful. Achievement may be in any field of human activity- singing, dancing, sports, profession and business. Every activity needs some training- theoretical or practical, formal or informal education. If we take a broader concept of education, which means acquiring and enhancing skill, we conclude that education is essential for success.
I believe that formal education such as University education, really is not the key to success, but it can be used as a good bridge to get there. And again, it depends on how we interpret success. For many people, making money and being prosperous and independent is success, but for many people collecting degrees or have a few titles attached to their names, is what they call success.
I know many young people hold degrees from good universities, but have no idea what they can do with these qualifications. As you probably aware, that there are millions of graduates, don’t even have a jobs. The trouble with this is that they don’t have “the positive work attitude and the hard working nature” in themselves.
They are not independent, they are not adventurous, they are not ambitious, and sadly...they don’t have much to offer apart from their university degree.
I know many young people hold degrees from good universities, but have no idea what they can do with these qualifications. As you probably aware, that there are millions of graduates, don’t even have a jobs. The trouble with this is that they don’t have “the positive work attitude and the hard working nature” in themselves.
They are not independent, they are not adventurous, they are not ambitious, and sadly...they don’t have much to offer apart from their university degree.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Kartik has stated that primary education is not necessary but higher education is necessary for success. Here is contradiction. You cannot get higher education if you have no primary education. It is possible that you were a weak student in the beginning by gradually improved and were a good student at higher level.
We have to define shat is primary education. To me, primary education means learning Reading, Writing and arithmetic- also called three R. Now we may add computer literacy to the basic primary education.
It is obvious that one get not get higher education without knowledge of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic computer skills.
For success, you need primary education, which is general and common to all plus specialization in relevant field. Here we may divide jobs into unskilled, semi skilled and highly skilled. Higher the skill, more necessary the higher education. You need sound theoretical training and experience in the chosen field. Experience is nothing but practising what you have learned in theory. Practical experience is also part of education.
I conclude that education- formal or informal- primary/ basic and special education in chosen career is must for success.[/quote]
I partially agree with you, but even now I can say that primary education is not the key for success. They are many people that we come across in our day to day life who have done well at the elementary level and failed to continue their form in higher education and have ended up no way in life. If we see the other way 50% of the present graduates might not be as successful in their elementary school as they are today. The only reason for this primary education is mix up of everything with brief introduction where as higher education is only in one part and the field in which the person has interest.
[quote]Kartik has stated that primary education is not necessary but higher education is necessary for success. Here is contradiction. You cannot get higher education if you have no primary education. It is possible that you were a weak student in the beginning by gradually improved and were a good student at higher level.
We have to define shat is primary education. To me, primary education means learning Reading, Writing and arithmetic- also called three R. Now we may add computer literacy to the basic primary education.
It is obvious that one get not get higher education without knowledge of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic computer skills.
For success, you need primary education, which is general and common to all plus specialization in relevant field. Here we may divide jobs into unskilled, semi skilled and highly skilled. Higher the skill, more necessary the higher education. You need sound theoretical training and experience in the chosen field. Experience is nothing but practising what you have learned in theory. Practical experience is also part of education.
I conclude that education- formal or informal- primary/ basic and special education in chosen career is must for success.[/quote]
I partially agree with you, but even now I can say that primary education is not the key for success. They are many people that we come across in our day to day life who have done well at the elementary level and failed to continue their form in higher education and have ended up no way in life. If we see the other way 50% of the present graduates might not be as successful in their elementary school as they are today. The only reason for this primary education is mix up of everything with brief introduction where as higher education is only in one part and the field in which the person has interest.
Karthik wrote:
[quote]I partially agree with you, but even now I can say that primary education is not the key for success. They are many people that we come across in our day to day life who have done well at the elementary level and failed to continue their form in higher education and have ended up no way in life. If we see the other way 50% of the present graduates might not be as successful in their elementary school as they are today. The only reason for this primary education is mix up of everything with brief introduction where as higher education is only in one part and the field in which the person has interest. [/quote]
Karthik primary education is the stepping stone to further education, without primary education you will not have the opportunity to study further.
Aastha wrote:
[quote]They are not independent, they are not adventurous, they are not ambitious, and sadly...they don’t have much to offer apart from their university degree. [/quote]
This is the perfect description of today's youth!!
I would not call them educated even if they have degrees in hand, they are simply literate people who can read and write but no further!!
[quote]I partially agree with you, but even now I can say that primary education is not the key for success. They are many people that we come across in our day to day life who have done well at the elementary level and failed to continue their form in higher education and have ended up no way in life. If we see the other way 50% of the present graduates might not be as successful in their elementary school as they are today. The only reason for this primary education is mix up of everything with brief introduction where as higher education is only in one part and the field in which the person has interest. [/quote]
Karthik primary education is the stepping stone to further education, without primary education you will not have the opportunity to study further.
Aastha wrote:
[quote]They are not independent, they are not adventurous, they are not ambitious, and sadly...they don’t have much to offer apart from their university degree. [/quote]
This is the perfect description of today's youth!!
I would not call them educated even if they have degrees in hand, they are simply literate people who can read and write but no further!!
@Kalyani..Absolutely correct, these type of students are well trained and not well educated.
There are a lot of college graduates who are jobless, underpaid, overqualified, misplaced or simply, for one reason or another, not successful.
It is one's determination, initiative, his fighting spirit to achieve one's goal in life that is really the key to success.
There are a lot of college graduates who are jobless, underpaid, overqualified, misplaced or simply, for one reason or another, not successful.
It is one's determination, initiative, his fighting spirit to achieve one's goal in life that is really the key to success.
@Aastha, that is so correct!!
"Education is not the answer to the question. Education is the means to the answer to all questions."
-- William Allin
Mere degrees will not help anyone, but perseverance, hard work, ambition, and more importantly accepting your own shortfalls and striving to improve them are crucial!!
"Education is not the answer to the question. Education is the means to the answer to all questions."
-- William Allin
Mere degrees will not help anyone, but perseverance, hard work, ambition, and more importantly accepting your own shortfalls and striving to improve them are crucial!!
That was an apt quote..
@Aastha,You quoted an example of a "street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job." But i would definitely say that, with his engineering mind, he would be able to make burgers more fast and efficintly, even hygienic, than others who were in that trade and follow traditional practices.
And true, person with a figthing spirit to acheive the goal in life is the step to success. But how does he do so? with what does he fight? It is via education..
Karthik-Primary education is indeed the stepping stone to secondary/ higer education.. Without learning the basic alphabet, you cannot expect to continue your eduction ..correct?
@Aastha,You quoted an example of a "street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job." But i would definitely say that, with his engineering mind, he would be able to make burgers more fast and efficintly, even hygienic, than others who were in that trade and follow traditional practices.
And true, person with a figthing spirit to acheive the goal in life is the step to success. But how does he do so? with what does he fight? It is via education..
Karthik-Primary education is indeed the stepping stone to secondary/ higer education.. Without learning the basic alphabet, you cannot expect to continue your eduction ..correct?
Well I want to make one point clear, in our primary education i.e. in elementary school we learn various subjects like mathematics, science, social etc. Now my question is if a student want to become a doctor do you think he even need to succeed in social and mathematics? If he is good at science it is sufficient. Percentages in elementary schools are calculated based on the overall performance of all the subjects. If a person gets 90+ in science and if he fails in mathematics or social then he is considered as a failure in that class. The same person if he can master in science in his higher education he can become a Doctor and can stay on top with a complete success.
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