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"Do you think education is only key to success?"
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Sridevi wrote:
[quote]Right ..., But, it also depends on how you define education.
Education is anyting which imparts knowledge,skills and helps us to differentiate good from bad. It is not just academic education.
So, taken thus, it can be said to be the (only)key factor to success.[/quote]
Education gives us knowledge..agreed..
If an athlete sits and educate himself, studying books, attending lectures, making assignments, taking degrees... and donot practice to run on the court, donot maintain his timings to run...can he then succeed in race?? can he get award??
If Artist would study, study and study and never practice for his paintings or art..can he be successful in his work..
The bottom line is: Education can help you breaking many walls, makes you better citizen, but alone it is not the key to success..
[quote]Right ..., But, it also depends on how you define education.
Education is anyting which imparts knowledge,skills and helps us to differentiate good from bad. It is not just academic education.
So, taken thus, it can be said to be the (only)key factor to success.[/quote]
Education gives us knowledge..agreed..
If an athlete sits and educate himself, studying books, attending lectures, making assignments, taking degrees... and donot practice to run on the court, donot maintain his timings to run...can he then succeed in race?? can he get award??
If Artist would study, study and study and never practice for his paintings or art..can he be successful in his work..
The bottom line is: Education can help you breaking many walls, makes you better citizen, but alone it is not the key to success..
I agree with Aastha,
Even fields like medicine or engineering where education is required a lot but at the same time lot of practice and practical knowledge is required. So, Education alone can't be the key to success and if you see the other way education is not the key to success.
Even fields like medicine or engineering where education is required a lot but at the same time lot of practice and practical knowledge is required. So, Education alone can't be the key to success and if you see the other way education is not the key to success.
@aastha&karthik..
Agreed, But, what is practice? It is putting education to use. You will practise only what you have learnt through education.
Without education, there is no practice. Only in very few cases,like chemical experiments, you will learn only by practice.(In that case also, you are getting yourself educated via practice).
Agreed, But, what is practice? It is putting education to use. You will practise only what you have learnt through education.
Without education, there is no practice. Only in very few cases,like chemical experiments, you will learn only by practice.(In that case also, you are getting yourself educated via practice).
I agree with Sridevi. Theory and practice are both inseparable components of education. There are certain fields like cricket, acting that involve more practice and less theory whereas profession like accountancy and law need more theory and less practice. This is only comparative. Ultimately, practice makes one perfect. One practises what he has learnt. Theory and practice are just two wheels of the same two wheeler.
Sridevi wrote:
[quote]@aastha&karthik..
Agreed, But, what is practice? It is putting education to use. You will practise only what you have learnt through education.
Without education, there is no practice. Only in very few cases,like chemical experiments, you will learn only by practice.(In that case also, you are getting yourself educated via practice).[/quote]
There is no such relation, just take an example when a net gets disconnected in your house due to some LAN or modem problem an ordinary person who might have just passed intermediate or a SSC student comes to your house to repair your modem. But frankly speaking about the coding of wires in which order they need to be placed or assigning of IP address or checking the status of pinging are done by him, but his just a SSC or a intermediate qualified student. Does SSC or intermediate education teach these things? it is just because he moves across various houses and learns how things works and I can assure these workers are more skilled than a person who has 70% aggregate in B.Tech with CSE or IT as their background. Can anyone contradict this statement?
[quote]@aastha&karthik..
Agreed, But, what is practice? It is putting education to use. You will practise only what you have learnt through education.
Without education, there is no practice. Only in very few cases,like chemical experiments, you will learn only by practice.(In that case also, you are getting yourself educated via practice).[/quote]
There is no such relation, just take an example when a net gets disconnected in your house due to some LAN or modem problem an ordinary person who might have just passed intermediate or a SSC student comes to your house to repair your modem. But frankly speaking about the coding of wires in which order they need to be placed or assigning of IP address or checking the status of pinging are done by him, but his just a SSC or a intermediate qualified student. Does SSC or intermediate education teach these things? it is just because he moves across various houses and learns how things works and I can assure these workers are more skilled than a person who has 70% aggregate in B.Tech with CSE or IT as their background. Can anyone contradict this statement?
@Sridevi..
You told that practice comes through education..
When an athlete has to practice to run in court, does he need education to run..?? He need to practice and practice is to run and not to open books and study..how to run..??
If you say teaching him how to run is education and is going to help him..
Just consider two athletes, one is taking lessons on how to run and other is practicing it, continously running and making his pace best while the former is just sitting and taking lessons on how to run...Who will be the winner then...???
Sridevi, there are certain fields where education is less required to get successful while there are some fields which require highly qualified education to get success.
All depends upon what field you want to relate yourself..
You told that practice comes through education..
When an athlete has to practice to run in court, does he need education to run..?? He need to practice and practice is to run and not to open books and study..how to run..??
If you say teaching him how to run is education and is going to help him..
Just consider two athletes, one is taking lessons on how to run and other is practicing it, continously running and making his pace best while the former is just sitting and taking lessons on how to run...Who will be the winner then...???
Sridevi, there are certain fields where education is less required to get successful while there are some fields which require highly qualified education to get success.
All depends upon what field you want to relate yourself..
@karthik
[quote]
There is no such relation, just take an example when a net gets disconnected in your house due to some LAN or modem problem an ordinary person who might have just passed intermediate or a SSC student comes to your house to repair your modem. But frankly speaking about the coding of wires in which order they need to be placed or assigning of IP address or checking the status of pinging are done by him, but his just a SSC or a intermediate qualified student. Does SSC or intermediate education teach these things? it is just because he moves across various houses and learns how things works and I can assure these workers are more skilled than a person who has 70% aggregate in B.Tech with CSE or IT as their background. Can anyone contradict this statement?[/quote]
He surely must have been trained to some extent by the seniors or he must have done some sort of ITI diploma course in hardware tecnology.. to understand the technology involved.
Running is comparitively an easy sport.. In this also, doing warm exercises are required and training + practising, need to go side by side.
[quote]
There is no such relation, just take an example when a net gets disconnected in your house due to some LAN or modem problem an ordinary person who might have just passed intermediate or a SSC student comes to your house to repair your modem. But frankly speaking about the coding of wires in which order they need to be placed or assigning of IP address or checking the status of pinging are done by him, but his just a SSC or a intermediate qualified student. Does SSC or intermediate education teach these things? it is just because he moves across various houses and learns how things works and I can assure these workers are more skilled than a person who has 70% aggregate in B.Tech with CSE or IT as their background. Can anyone contradict this statement?[/quote]
He surely must have been trained to some extent by the seniors or he must have done some sort of ITI diploma course in hardware tecnology.. to understand the technology involved.
Running is comparitively an easy sport.. In this also, doing warm exercises are required and training + practising, need to go side by side.
Understanding and the training given by co-members and grasping the procedure quickly depends on how educated you are. For instance, you first need to understand how LAN works to take up tasks independantly.. as Nobody will explain you from the start.
Proper or improper, education is education and holds the key to a bright future.
Proper or improper, education is education and holds the key to a bright future.
If education is the only key to get success, then the poor people who cannot afford education will never be successful in life..
A dancer needs no education to win his/her competition.. A singer needs no books to study how to sing..
They have to work according to there profession and there profession allows them to use their body physically and not mentally..
A poor, if has a good voice but cannot afford education, can't he be successful by just singing..??
So education need not be the only key to success.
A dancer needs no education to win his/her competition.. A singer needs no books to study how to sing..
They have to work according to there profession and there profession allows them to use their body physically and not mentally..
A poor, if has a good voice but cannot afford education, can't he be successful by just singing..??
So education need not be the only key to success.
I do & totally agree with what you say. There has to be a change in the educational system. Well not just in the educational system, there has to be a major change in nearly all the systems out there. And i think, one of the reasons why people study hell lotta subjects and end up like a fish straight out of the water when they join a company is because, 90% of the collage goers, have not chosen what they go there to study because they love that field and dies to work in that field, but rather because some one said it is a good field and you really get paid well in that field. 90% of students don't really know what they will be doing once they get out from collages. Even me, i started thinking what i should be doing once out of collage only a couple of months back. So, like me if every student has a clear idea in his mind what he/she wants to do, then they can work and study with that in mind and i am sure they will be satisfied at the end of all.
Poor people, if they want to be successful, have to resort to self-education..
And in music also, people who wish to be successful, need to be educated on all the raagas and the other naunces of music, otherwise just by listening, they will not be able to take it as a profession and sing all types of songs.
And in music also, people who wish to be successful, need to be educated on all the raagas and the other naunces of music, otherwise just by listening, they will not be able to take it as a profession and sing all types of songs.
Career counselling is not something popular in India, i believe. Or if it is popular, i must confess that when i had completed my 12th i didn't end up in front of any counseller. It has to be popular and every student should go through these counselling sessions. (I personally have no idea what it is or how it is going to be!). And this is something i have been feeling for some time. The advertisements in TV's can be utilized by the governments in this aspect. In addition to all these advertisements they show us now, they should also do ad's that will make some kind of awareness and a Keen-ness to know more about opportunities in the minds of young children. I really think Good Sensible advertisements will do a world of good for youngsters.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Lohit I agree with you. The only difference is way of expression. For me education consists of not only the theoretical knowledge but also the art of perfectly using the technique.
I wish to add a true story. Some boys were swimming in a river. Uuddenly, they heard cry of a drowning man. They saved him. They asked him his name. They found that the man they saved had a name similar to author of the textbook on swimming. They told this to that man. He told that he is author of the text book. The students were surprised. But the author said- 'My boys. I wrote the book on swimming and you mastered the art by good practice. Alas- I only wrote but did not practise."
Another instance. One friend of mine wanted me to teach him type writing. He just noted down the key board alphabets- ASDFG- QWERT and told me that he would type within a weak. after a weak, he told me that he had learnt. He spoke out the entire key board. But he could not type. His fingers needed the practice and there was no need to learn the key board like a parrot.[/quote]
Agree with you Mr. Gulshan. But theoretical knowledge some times is also neccessary..
[quote]Lohit I agree with you. The only difference is way of expression. For me education consists of not only the theoretical knowledge but also the art of perfectly using the technique.
I wish to add a true story. Some boys were swimming in a river. Uuddenly, they heard cry of a drowning man. They saved him. They asked him his name. They found that the man they saved had a name similar to author of the textbook on swimming. They told this to that man. He told that he is author of the text book. The students were surprised. But the author said- 'My boys. I wrote the book on swimming and you mastered the art by good practice. Alas- I only wrote but did not practise."
Another instance. One friend of mine wanted me to teach him type writing. He just noted down the key board alphabets- ASDFG- QWERT and told me that he would type within a weak. after a weak, he told me that he had learnt. He spoke out the entire key board. But he could not type. His fingers needed the practice and there was no need to learn the key board like a parrot.[/quote]
Agree with you Mr. Gulshan. But theoretical knowledge some times is also neccessary..
aastha wrote:
[quote]@Gulshan, you are very right at your views..
Infact this is the change needed in our education system, theoretical knowledge to be accompanied by practical work, and for those who cannot afford theoretical knowledge, a must and trained practical knowledge is to be given to them, then every person of the society will be successful educated.[/quote]
I am agree with you thoughts Miss aastha, practical knowledge is the need. But Both education pracitcal and theoretical knowledge are necessary points. Everything is needed to get a complete success.
[quote]@Gulshan, you are very right at your views..
Infact this is the change needed in our education system, theoretical knowledge to be accompanied by practical work, and for those who cannot afford theoretical knowledge, a must and trained practical knowledge is to be given to them, then every person of the society will be successful educated.[/quote]
I am agree with you thoughts Miss aastha, practical knowledge is the need. But Both education pracitcal and theoretical knowledge are necessary points. Everything is needed to get a complete success.
aastha wrote:
[quote]gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.[/quote]
If there are exceptions of the uneducated successful people, then there are exceptions of educated unsuccessful people, the different thing is that they are uncommon people and we hardly come to know about them.
There are many exceptions where a man having degree or properly educated is not having even a job. And also having a job with intermediate salary with education, you cannot say a person is successful.
A very common example is a street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job.[/quote]
All Of you talking about those who have job and those who have not any job. If a person having nice job its not mean he is successful or a person have not any job its not mean he is not successful.
Success is what we feel from our inside that yes this is my target which is achieved.
Every person have its own target point.
You can't change the view of success of every person.
[quote]gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.[/quote]
If there are exceptions of the uneducated successful people, then there are exceptions of educated unsuccessful people, the different thing is that they are uncommon people and we hardly come to know about them.
There are many exceptions where a man having degree or properly educated is not having even a job. And also having a job with intermediate salary with education, you cannot say a person is successful.
A very common example is a street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job.[/quote]
All Of you talking about those who have job and those who have not any job. If a person having nice job its not mean he is successful or a person have not any job its not mean he is not successful.
Success is what we feel from our inside that yes this is my target which is achieved.
Every person have its own target point.
You can't change the view of success of every person.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
[quote]@Aastha, that is so correct!!
"Education is not the answer to the question. Education is the means to the answer to all questions."
-- William Allin
Mere degrees will not help anyone, but perseverance, hard work, ambition, and more importantly accepting your own shortfalls and striving to improve them are crucial!![/quote]
I am agree with these words..
[quote]@Aastha, that is so correct!!
"Education is not the answer to the question. Education is the means to the answer to all questions."
-- William Allin
Mere degrees will not help anyone, but perseverance, hard work, ambition, and more importantly accepting your own shortfalls and striving to improve them are crucial!![/quote]
I am agree with these words..
Karthik wrote:
[quote]Well I want to make one point clear, in our primary education i.e. in elementary school we learn various subjects like mathematics, science, social etc. Now my question is if a student want to become a doctor do you think he even need to succeed in social and mathematics? If he is good at science it is sufficient. Percentages in elementary schools are calculated based on the overall performance of all the subjects. If a person gets 90+ in science and if he fails in mathematics or social then he is considered as a failure in that class. The same person if he can master in science in his higher education he can become a Doctor and can stay on top with a complete success.[/quote]
Karthik Education regarding maths is not wrong. Mathemetics is the very needy subject. It needs logic and makes our mind logical. Its in our primary studies because we need this for the logical development of our mind. In medical line we also needs some logics. Never think only +,-, / And* is the maths.
[quote]Well I want to make one point clear, in our primary education i.e. in elementary school we learn various subjects like mathematics, science, social etc. Now my question is if a student want to become a doctor do you think he even need to succeed in social and mathematics? If he is good at science it is sufficient. Percentages in elementary schools are calculated based on the overall performance of all the subjects. If a person gets 90+ in science and if he fails in mathematics or social then he is considered as a failure in that class. The same person if he can master in science in his higher education he can become a Doctor and can stay on top with a complete success.[/quote]
Karthik Education regarding maths is not wrong. Mathemetics is the very needy subject. It needs logic and makes our mind logical. Its in our primary studies because we need this for the logical development of our mind. In medical line we also needs some logics. Never think only +,-, / And* is the maths.
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