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@Kalyani, you have considered knowledge as necesaary part..
In my views, People should take advantage of every opportunity to become more knowledgeable. However, knowledge is not always obtained through the traditional forms of education.
Is the brick mason, who builds beautiful and lasting structures, successful even though he may have only completed 8th class? Is the farmer who uses knowledge of weather and seasons successful when he harvests thousands of rupees worth of crops for national consumption, even though he may have never attended formal school?
In my views, People should take advantage of every opportunity to become more knowledgeable. However, knowledge is not always obtained through the traditional forms of education.
Is the brick mason, who builds beautiful and lasting structures, successful even though he may have only completed 8th class? Is the farmer who uses knowledge of weather and seasons successful when he harvests thousands of rupees worth of crops for national consumption, even though he may have never attended formal school?
Sridevi wrote:
[quote]Good illustration by Kalyani
Similarly, we go a hospital equipped with the latest technology,or to a specialist, well-educated doctor rather than a general surgeon.
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Point on, Sridevi, that is exactly what I wanted to say!!
Aastha wrote:
[quote]Is the brick mason, who builds beautiful and lasting structures, successful even though he may have only completed 8th class? Is the farmer who uses knowledge of weather and seasons successful when he harvests thousands of rupees worth of crops for national consumption, even though he may have never attended formal school? [/quote]
Aastha I accept your views completely. For a major population everywhere it does hold water, whcih why the number of successful people is quite limited in proportion to the huge numbers of population.
Taking the example of a brick mason you gave, if this mason was educated, wouldn't he have been able to take contracts for building houses using the knowledge that he has of laying bricks. I agree that not every Tom, Dick or Harry can lay bricks as well as he does. It looks quite simple, applying a layer of cement concrete and laying bricks on top of it, but there are a lot of things to consider that only he will know. did he make use of that knowledge to ensure his own progress??
All I am saying is that to make your self grow, to promote yourself to your own benefit takes education.
[quote]Good illustration by Kalyani
Similarly, we go a hospital equipped with the latest technology,or to a specialist, well-educated doctor rather than a general surgeon.
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Point on, Sridevi, that is exactly what I wanted to say!!
Aastha wrote:
[quote]Is the brick mason, who builds beautiful and lasting structures, successful even though he may have only completed 8th class? Is the farmer who uses knowledge of weather and seasons successful when he harvests thousands of rupees worth of crops for national consumption, even though he may have never attended formal school? [/quote]
Aastha I accept your views completely. For a major population everywhere it does hold water, whcih why the number of successful people is quite limited in proportion to the huge numbers of population.
Taking the example of a brick mason you gave, if this mason was educated, wouldn't he have been able to take contracts for building houses using the knowledge that he has of laying bricks. I agree that not every Tom, Dick or Harry can lay bricks as well as he does. It looks quite simple, applying a layer of cement concrete and laying bricks on top of it, but there are a lot of things to consider that only he will know. did he make use of that knowledge to ensure his own progress??
All I am saying is that to make your self grow, to promote yourself to your own benefit takes education.
Absolutely agreed with your points Kalyani, I am also saying the same thing knowledge is to be provided but is it necessary that knowledge will always come by providing education..??
If he would be given education like todays' scenerio, then he would not be a mason, his field would be changed, because todays education criterion has only a run through, nobody knows what he has to do, he is just walking behind all..
If he would be given education like todays' scenerio, then he would not be a mason, his field would be changed, because todays education criterion has only a run through, nobody knows what he has to do, he is just walking behind all..
www.azOOmer.co.cc wrote:
[quote]Education is the key to success, that is totally true, but the big fact is that the person holding the key is the one responsible to open the door which leads to success. Education would not matter if we do not take the lead to follow our goals and make our dreams a reality. It is so easy to stand there waiting for something to fall down from the sky or something.
Education will help us walk through the big road of reality and resposability, also known as world, but it is in our hands what we should do with it and how to make it worth.
The future is ahead and every step we take will make the difference in what will affect in our lives.
Statistics show those with an education find themselves receiving more promotions and making more money. Although a good education is necessary in such a competitive world, it does take more than just an education. For example, I know several individuals that received degrees from major universities; yet, never used them. Those people really took different paths and I guess you could say that success is in the eye of the beholder. I guess it is all in the way you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?
Remember now and keep it ALWAYS in your mind: You are responsible to make the "key to success" worth it in the future because no one else would be able to take advantage of it but YOU!!!
But in real life education is not the only way to sucess i think it only cover about 25% of what makes poeople success. Abert Eistsein didn't finish high school he even drop out of it too. But as it turn out he was one of the greatest person to ever do some much thing. But that not all there were other great people who did great things that didnt even have to do much with education.
in the general term anyway. Education definitely can help in being successful, but not everyone that is successful has a Masters in whatever they do. For example, Jay-Z (real name: Shawn Carter) got as far as high school, yet he just stepped down as Chief of Def Jam. He made millions in that position. He didn't have a degree in Business but he made a way for himself and was and still is very successful.
people dnt need a master's degee to be successful, i was just puten that out there so people who feel like given up wont because they know they can get some where with knowledge of education.[/quote]
These all lines gives only one meaning which is education is not only key to success. Its just a partially part. And i also want to say this. Agreed.
[quote]Education is the key to success, that is totally true, but the big fact is that the person holding the key is the one responsible to open the door which leads to success. Education would not matter if we do not take the lead to follow our goals and make our dreams a reality. It is so easy to stand there waiting for something to fall down from the sky or something.
Education will help us walk through the big road of reality and resposability, also known as world, but it is in our hands what we should do with it and how to make it worth.
The future is ahead and every step we take will make the difference in what will affect in our lives.
Statistics show those with an education find themselves receiving more promotions and making more money. Although a good education is necessary in such a competitive world, it does take more than just an education. For example, I know several individuals that received degrees from major universities; yet, never used them. Those people really took different paths and I guess you could say that success is in the eye of the beholder. I guess it is all in the way you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty?
Remember now and keep it ALWAYS in your mind: You are responsible to make the "key to success" worth it in the future because no one else would be able to take advantage of it but YOU!!!
But in real life education is not the only way to sucess i think it only cover about 25% of what makes poeople success. Abert Eistsein didn't finish high school he even drop out of it too. But as it turn out he was one of the greatest person to ever do some much thing. But that not all there were other great people who did great things that didnt even have to do much with education.
in the general term anyway. Education definitely can help in being successful, but not everyone that is successful has a Masters in whatever they do. For example, Jay-Z (real name: Shawn Carter) got as far as high school, yet he just stepped down as Chief of Def Jam. He made millions in that position. He didn't have a degree in Business but he made a way for himself and was and still is very successful.
people dnt need a master's degee to be successful, i was just puten that out there so people who feel like given up wont because they know they can get some where with knowledge of education.[/quote]
These all lines gives only one meaning which is education is not only key to success. Its just a partially part. And i also want to say this. Agreed.
www.azOOmer.co.cc wrote:
[quote]" Education Of Parents Are 'Key' To Success..."
Some of my friends think like this......What about you???[/quote]
Dear Education of parents matters in our life. But success is not all due to that education.
But if your going to other direction to that education that will not be part of your success.
[quote]" Education Of Parents Are 'Key' To Success..."
Some of my friends think like this......What about you???[/quote]
Dear Education of parents matters in our life. But success is not all due to that education.
But if your going to other direction to that education that will not be part of your success.
www.azOOmer.co.cc wrote:
[quote]I think education and economic growth are linked each other.......[/quote]
So if your lines are true than what will happen with the economic growth of uneducated people.
Let me tell you one moment which i remember.
I went to PNB bank before 1 year. i was just filling some form. suddenly bank manager take near about 12 lakhs in a bag and waiting for the client to give him his cash. A old man came and took his cash. Bank manager told him to sign at the cash recieving form. That client said to manager that he don't know how to sign, he is not educated. Manager told him that sir if you were study then on this day u can sign by your own hands. You know what client said he told to manager if he was educated then he would be at the post of manager same as you not a rich man.
So not always education can make your economic growth.
[quote]I think education and economic growth are linked each other.......[/quote]
So if your lines are true than what will happen with the economic growth of uneducated people.
Let me tell you one moment which i remember.
I went to PNB bank before 1 year. i was just filling some form. suddenly bank manager take near about 12 lakhs in a bag and waiting for the client to give him his cash. A old man came and took his cash. Bank manager told him to sign at the cash recieving form. That client said to manager that he don't know how to sign, he is not educated. Manager told him that sir if you were study then on this day u can sign by your own hands. You know what client said he told to manager if he was educated then he would be at the post of manager same as you not a rich man.
So not always education can make your economic growth.
Sridevi wrote:
[quote]Yes, aastha education system needs to be changed. Some schools have started imparting practical knowledge also beside theoritical education so that they become self-reliant and literate in all aspects.[/quote]
Even though there is change in education system that doesn't mean that education is the key factor for success in life. Even though a lot of practical work is included and if it is in the field where the student is not interested then it is of no use. A single school cannot provide practical knowledge in all the available specializations available.
[quote]Yes, aastha education system needs to be changed. Some schools have started imparting practical knowledge also beside theoritical education so that they become self-reliant and literate in all aspects.[/quote]
Even though there is change in education system that doesn't mean that education is the key factor for success in life. Even though a lot of practical work is included and if it is in the field where the student is not interested then it is of no use. A single school cannot provide practical knowledge in all the available specializations available.
Hi Karthik-Change in educational system has to be gradual, and hopefully will be implemented by many schools.
A simple thing as the ability to read and write is considered as the basis of education.
Citing a slightly different case from that which Lohit has stated, if the person were to ask for loan from the bank, and bankers come to know that he/she is not able to read or write, the bankers will think twice, before giving loan to such a person, unless maybe he/she has a stong influential person as guarantor.
A simple thing as the ability to read and write is considered as the basis of education.
Citing a slightly different case from that which Lohit has stated, if the person were to ask for loan from the bank, and bankers come to know that he/she is not able to read or write, the bankers will think twice, before giving loan to such a person, unless maybe he/she has a stong influential person as guarantor.
The main point to be considered that there are many factors to achieve success in ones life along with the education. Education alone cannot hit the wall.
The decisions, the versatility, the eagerness, the determination, the connections, the hard work, creativity, entrepreneurial mind, a little luck plus your overall personality add it to your education, these make the key to success.
The decisions, the versatility, the eagerness, the determination, the connections, the hard work, creativity, entrepreneurial mind, a little luck plus your overall personality add it to your education, these make the key to success.
Kartik has stated that primary education is not necessary but higher education is necessary for success. Here is contradiction. You cannot get higher education if you have no primary education. It is possible that you were a weak student in the beginning by gradually improved and were a good student at higher level.
We have to define shat is primary education. To me, primary education means learning Reading, Writing and arithmetic- also called three R. Now we may add computer literacy to the basic primary education.
It is obvious that one get not get higher education without knowledge of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic computer skills.
For success, you need primary education, which is general and common to all plus specialization in relevant field. Here we may divide jobs into unskilled, semi skilled and highly skilled. Higher the skill, more necessary the higher education. You need sound theoretical training and experience in the chosen field. Experience is nothing but practising what you have learned in theory. Practical experience is also part of education.
I conclude that education- formal or informal- primary/ basic and special education in chosen career is must for success.
We have to define shat is primary education. To me, primary education means learning Reading, Writing and arithmetic- also called three R. Now we may add computer literacy to the basic primary education.
It is obvious that one get not get higher education without knowledge of reading, writing, arithmetic and basic computer skills.
For success, you need primary education, which is general and common to all plus specialization in relevant field. Here we may divide jobs into unskilled, semi skilled and highly skilled. Higher the skill, more necessary the higher education. You need sound theoretical training and experience in the chosen field. Experience is nothing but practising what you have learned in theory. Practical experience is also part of education.
I conclude that education- formal or informal- primary/ basic and special education in chosen career is must for success.
Lohit I agree with you. The only difference is way of expression. For me education consists of not only the theoretical knowledge but also the art of perfectly using the technique.
I wish to add a true story. Some boys were swimming in a river. Uuddenly, they heard cry of a drowning man. They saved him. They asked him his name. They found that the man they saved had a name similar to author of the textbook on swimming. They told this to that man. He told that he is author of the text book. The students were surprised. But the author said- 'My boys. I wrote the book on swimming and you mastered the art by good practice. Alas- I only wrote but did not practise."
Another instance. One friend of mine wanted me to teach him type writing. He just noted down the key board alphabets- ASDFG- QWERT and told me that he would type within a weak. after a weak, he told me that he had learnt. He spoke out the entire key board. But he could not type. His fingers needed the practice and there was no need to learn the key board like a parrot.
I wish to add a true story. Some boys were swimming in a river. Uuddenly, they heard cry of a drowning man. They saved him. They asked him his name. They found that the man they saved had a name similar to author of the textbook on swimming. They told this to that man. He told that he is author of the text book. The students were surprised. But the author said- 'My boys. I wrote the book on swimming and you mastered the art by good practice. Alas- I only wrote but did not practise."
Another instance. One friend of mine wanted me to teach him type writing. He just noted down the key board alphabets- ASDFG- QWERT and told me that he would type within a weak. after a weak, he told me that he had learnt. He spoke out the entire key board. But he could not type. His fingers needed the practice and there was no need to learn the key board like a parrot.
Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.
@Gulshan, you are very right at your views..
Infact this is the change needed in our education system, theoretical knowledge to be accompanied by practical work, and for those who cannot afford theoretical knowledge, a must and trained practical knowledge is to be given to them, then every person of the society will be successful educated.
Infact this is the change needed in our education system, theoretical knowledge to be accompanied by practical work, and for those who cannot afford theoretical knowledge, a must and trained practical knowledge is to be given to them, then every person of the society will be successful educated.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.[/quote]
If there are exceptions of the uneducated successful people, then there are exceptions of educated unsuccessful people, the different thing is that they are uncommon people and we hardly come to know about them.
There are many exceptions where a man having degree or properly educated is not having even a job. And also having a job with intermediate salary with education, you cannot say a person is successful.
A very common example is a street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job.
[quote]Aastha- There are many examples of successful men who had no formal education. But they are exceptions. They have little or no formal education but they make up by keen observation and constant practice. However, they are exceptions. Generally, it is okay to say that education is necessary for success.[/quote]
If there are exceptions of the uneducated successful people, then there are exceptions of educated unsuccessful people, the different thing is that they are uncommon people and we hardly come to know about them.
There are many exceptions where a man having degree or properly educated is not having even a job. And also having a job with intermediate salary with education, you cannot say a person is successful.
A very common example is a street food stall which is owned by an computer engineer near my house, he sells burgers because he didn't get any job.
Lohit- You have given good example of illiterate businessman. Apparently, the businessman had good skills in business management obtained through experience- may be hereditary. But still education is a virtue. If some one can do without eye sight, we cannot say that blindness is virtue and eyesight is not necessary. similarly about education.
You mentioned that the businessman retorted that he would be just a manager if he had got education. Here I am reminded of a nice real life story. There was a church boy who would guide the churchgoers to their seats by using torch. One day, the bishop asked him about his education. He told that he was illiterate. The bishop asked him to learn reading and writing if he wanted his job. The boy got annoyed and left the church immediately. But he did not know what to do. He was perplexed. So, he got the urge to smoke. He could not get cigarette anyway. This gave him idea and he opened a tobacco shop. He opened many more shops. One day he went to a bank for loan. He could not sign loan paper. The bank manager was impressed and he said- wonderful- You are so successful. If educated, you would be at top of the world. But the tobacco merchant laughed and said- No sir, if educated, I would still be in church.
But such examples are rare. Even the illiterate business men need educated employees.
You mentioned that the businessman retorted that he would be just a manager if he had got education. Here I am reminded of a nice real life story. There was a church boy who would guide the churchgoers to their seats by using torch. One day, the bishop asked him about his education. He told that he was illiterate. The bishop asked him to learn reading and writing if he wanted his job. The boy got annoyed and left the church immediately. But he did not know what to do. He was perplexed. So, he got the urge to smoke. He could not get cigarette anyway. This gave him idea and he opened a tobacco shop. He opened many more shops. One day he went to a bank for loan. He could not sign loan paper. The bank manager was impressed and he said- wonderful- You are so successful. If educated, you would be at top of the world. But the tobacco merchant laughed and said- No sir, if educated, I would still be in church.
But such examples are rare. Even the illiterate business men need educated employees.
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