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Some times, we feel that some thing has happened that looks like supernatural, as I sensed as if some thing related to my very close relative, in fact, I felt the worst had happened and just a few minutes later, I heard about her demise. However, that in fact was some thing my sub conscious expecting, because she was ill for couple of days? That was kind of intuition more than any thing supernatural
That was inevitable and was unavoidable, was expected and on the cards, but I felt as if I sensed it before hand. That is some thing related to our subconscious mind. Feeling it and expecting it to happen, when it happens and takes place in reality then we put it in a category of supernatural or whatever we find suitable to name it.
That was neither supernatural nor sixth sense, that was kind of flight of my thoughts those were working that way.

My first encounter of this strange phenomenon was when I was a little over six at a semi-rural place where my father was posted. Though it was a small town but had vast rural tracts surrounding it. On a hot summer holiday my sister who is a few years older, seized my hand and made me run to one of courtyards of a rural house. There were scores of people standing in a circle and at the center lay the disheveled faces of a young married woman and more frightening figure of a middle-aged bare in the upper part and clad in a dhoti with menacing looks holding a broomstick.His blood-shot eyes and his forehead wearing a flaming red mark gave him a kind of blood-curdling look. And I was closely watching the proceeding wide-eyed clasping my sister's hand tighter!

What followed thereafter beat even a filmic thriller! He went about wielding the broomstick around the body of the woman and started beating her with it to her wild shouts and shrieks renting the air. And this continued for a few minutes until she nearly fainted! But what stunned all the crowd was a nasal man's voice imploring the exorcist not to beat him like that coming from that lady! Now it was the exorcist's turn to gloat on his success as he thundered with his questions and asked the spirit which supposedly took control of the body and mind of the woman,to leave her free! Later we learned that she was, indeed, free and normal since then! It's a real story, if you don't believe it - May the Ghost help you!
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i believe you chinmoy ji. relating to a similar event like yours but its a bit different. In my friends colony there was keertan going on during navratr. And suddenly an aunty started opening her hairs and all and everyone was so fearful. then when people were stopping her she started besting an uncle sitting there and after 15-20 mins her eyes turned red and she fainted and when she came back in senses she didnt remembered what happened and she was crying and vomitting too.But it was very fearful.people were saying that its mata ji inside her.but i dont beleive because why mata ji will beat anyone like this.it was horrible.since then i never attended any keertan samaroh,due to this fear.

And now coming to the strict hierarchy and casteism they scrupulously maintain in the land of ghosts - do they need any land?{CJATTACHMENT ["id": 6648]} To my limited knowledge they are more comfortable in the air and are known to produce eerie sounds!

There are brahmins among them who are known as Bramhadaaitya in Bengal and they love to reside in trees ( Wood Apples -Bel). Any more information sharing is welcome!
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There are different sizes cutting across gender. Have anyone of you seen Satyajit Roy's film 'Gupee Gayen Bagha Bayeen'? There you can meet them!

They believe in seniority also - some are masters and some are servants! Exploitation is also there!!

My first encounter of this strange phenomenon was when I was a little over six at a semi-rural place where my father was posted. Though it was a small town but had vast rural tracts surrounding it. On a hot summer holiday my sister who is a few years older, seized my hand and made me run to one of courtyards of a rural house. There were scores of people standing in a circle and at the center lay the disheveled faces of a young married woman and more frightening figure of a middle-aged bare in the upper part and clad in a dhoti with menacing looks holding a broomstick.His blood-shot eyes and his forehead wearing a flaming red mark gave him a kind of blood-curdling look. And I was closely watching the proceeding wide-eyed clasping my sister's hand tighter!

What followed thereafter beat even a filmic thriller! He went about wielding the broomstick around the body of the woman and started beating her with it to her wild shouts and shrieks renting the air. And this continued for a few minutes until she nearly fainted! But what stunned all the crowd was a nasal man's voice imploring the exorcist not to beat him like that coming from that lady! Now it was the exorcist's turn to gloat on his success as he thundered with his questions and asked the spirit which supposedly took control of the body and mind of the woman,to leave her free! Later we learned that she was, indeed, free and normal since then! It's a real story, if you don't believe it - May the Ghost help you!
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This is similar to what happened in the movie 'Jadu Tona' that frightened me for months when I was around thirty. The evil spirit was overpowered by the holy man.

What is interesting about these ghostly experiences that some of these ghostly characters even maintain the original streak and traits when they were in their bodily form. The ghost which was seen by many at 1,Garstin Place of Calcutta which housed the first office of All India Radio was believed to be that of its first station director! What devotion to duty! Many saw his shadowy figure pacing down the corridor in the nocturnal hours!!

What about the moving figures of traffic constable at AJC Bose Crossing! Many late night travelers have seen a shadowy figure directing traffic only to know that he was run over some years back at the same spot.

If you don't believe me,you may do so - May Ghost help You!
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There is a abandon house with a tree in front, people fear to go there as they thing a person with his lover, committed suicide. Another such place is my college hostel, In one room a girl committed suicide, and no one never get near to that room. :blink: :huh: :) Does this happened anywhere?

As the discussion is gradually reaching towards conclusion, I would only say - jokes and humor apart- there are some forces which we may prefer to call 'unnatural' and inquiring minds would always try to resolve this issue.The results so far have not been very definitive so far. How do I explain the recent phenomenon in my locality where as many as 6 suicide cases reported within a radius of just half a Km! And each one happening either one the same day or the very next day of another! It's baffling to me!

I have not contributed anything to this discussion till now. Also, I don't have enough time to go through these 7-8 pages...so much responses.

I personally don't believe in ghosts who do harm to people in darkness...particularly on Tuesdays and fridays.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

But according to Hinduism, in Kerala, we have a special ritual every year "Karkadaka vaavu"....on the last Malayalam month.....Karkidakam with no moon. According to beliefs, Pitrukkal (our ancestors) are powerful this day. It's our duty to pay homage to them every year. We make special meals and go to a temple with river side to do rituals for their souls. :) Every Hindu families, with lost family members do this rituals......

We also hold belief that our ancestors' soul, who have not got 'Mukthi' yet will stay in our home and if we please them, they will do a lot of things for our family. It's true- you may or may not believe, if anything wrong is to happen in our family, both me and my mother (at least anyone of us) dreams about it and we can take suitable precautions. My father is doing fire works business, you all know how much risk is it. I don't know why, if anything unpleasant is to happen, my mother will dream it first. We are able to lessen its outcomes, yet can't completely eradicate the consequences.

While doing evening pooja itself, we are offering them flowers.....(a special place in pooja room itself), for our ancestors. It's believed that they are showing us paths and have helped us many ways.

I will quote 2 examples....2 accidents occurred in my younger brother's life.
1st one, when he was 7 years old. He was standing near the road waiting for school bus(2nd trip at school). Suddenly a boy standing near him pressed a water tap on his shirt..just for joy. To avoid it, he just jumped to road, without even looking it. All occurred in a fraction of seconds and a jeep's tyre went over his right leg. What to say?
Can you believe...only a few flesh was lost, not even a single fracture, even if he was a small kid. My mother later offered flowers, money...to many temples, at our pooja room too. That night she had a strange dream.....one small boy came in her dream saying, "I was the person who made slip the tyre out of your son's leg. Yet you didn't offer me flowers. I like red flowers most"
The driver also told earlier, "I saw..the tyre running on the boy's foot. Yet suddenly, whole jeep slipped. I don't know why"
Was there an invisible hand there who made that jeep slip of his foot?????????? :silly: :blink:

Second accident occurred while he was studying plus 2. He was going to near town in his new bike to get medicine for my father. Some days before, mother dreamt about some unpleasant incident to happen soon. He also gave a lift to his dearest friend, who was just to board on a private bus :(
Before reaching town, accident occurred. The bike was on a wall of the house soon after the accident. Both of them fell from the bike. The boy who was sitting on the back, was not survived.
After the accident my brother said, " I was falling from that wall with my head pointing downwards. I just felt that I won't be able to see this world again. Just in a fraction of second, I could find that some invisible force was working which turned me upside down and I fell on the ground with broken legs, crown and shoulders. I don't know how it has happened"
You can just imagine as a person falling down with head pointing downwards...on the middle, takes a dive and lands on earth with his legs hitting the ground...Is it really possible without the help of an invisible hand???????
Just have a thought

One more thing about our homage to ancestors...we do pay a pair of dress, milk, flowers...on the day of Karkadavavu....asking them the health and prosperity of every family member

So some super power exist.One serial was in TV long ago. We watched that named "believe or not".Many unnatural fact were seen which were unbelievable.

So some super power exist.One serial was in TV long ago. We watched that named "believe or not".Many unnatural fact were seen which were unbelievable.

Some powers may or may not exist. If we can't see with eyes, does it mean, such forces don't exist at all????? :silly: :blink:

The lonely places, deserted buildings, crematoriums are said to be shelter of ghosts. The animals and birds freely go to these places day and night and do not get harmed by the evil spirits. Only man fears and is harmed. I wonder what this indicates. are the dogs, owls, cats free from terror of evil spirits unlike man?

Apparently, this is more psychological than real. As chinmoy said, there are many strange things occurring that cannot be explained. Human mind and energy is too small in relation to universe. Many things were unknown at the dawn of civilization and humanity has made a lot of progress so far. But still our knowledge is only a fraction of the whole and it is unlikely that all mysteries of universe could be solved any time.

Indian culture emphasis on the existance of 'Panch Bhootha' constituting 5 basic elements of life and they are themselves considered as strong enough to control the whole earth. Early men feared them and they begin to worship them in the form of God- Varuna.....(for water)....Agnideva...(for fire)...Goddess Bhumi for Earth......Vayu Bhagavan for air. Though can't be seen , their virtual existence was considered as divine forces by early men itself.

[quote]Indian culture emphasis on the existance of 'Panch Bhootha' constituting 5 basic elements of life and they are themselves considered as strong enough to control the whole earth. Early men feared them and they begin to worship them in the form of God- Varuna.....(for water)....Agnideva...(for fire)...Goddess Bhumi for Earth......Vayu Bhagavan for air. Though can't be seen , their virtual existence was considered as divine forces by early men itself. [/quote]

Sandhya, a little correction, the five elements Panch Mahabhoota not panch bhoota, and who says they are invisible??? We can clearly see fire, water, earth and the air(when it manifests itself in the form of powerful winds)! Also, I want to point out that these elements do not fall under supernatural category, although they are divine, there is a well defined and structured explanation for presence of these elements, unlike supernatural forces that we are discussing about.

[quote]The lonely places, deserted buildings, crematoriums are said to be shelter of ghosts. The animals and birds freely go to these places day and night and do not get harmed by the evil spirits. Only man fears and is harmed. I wonder what this indicates. are the dogs, owls, cats free from terror of evil spirits unlike man?

Apparently, this is more psychological than real. As chinmoy said, there are many strange things occurring that cannot be explained. Human mind and energy is too small in relation to universe. Many things were unknown at the dawn of civilization and humanity has made a lot of progress so far. But still our knowledge is only a fraction of the whole and it is unlikely that all mysteries of universe could be solved any time. [/quote]

I agree that the fear related to such elements is more psychological than real. But where the perception of animals is considered, they are much more sensitive than human beings.

I have seen in many incidents that a dog or a cat will NEVER step into a place which often gives a creepy feeling. There us one incident during my childhood, we used to live in an Air Force quarter and there was a huge neem tree in our front yard. We had a dog who was started barking one night, my mum got up to investigate and could see a white shadow revolving with great speed around the tree. The shadow kept changing shapes, and our dog was clearly very very scared. He kept barking from distance but would not go near, my mum picked up a stone and threw it at the figure which instantly vaporized. The next day, my mum fell terribly ill, no explanations could be given by doctors, and our dog inexplicably was found dead the next night a few hundred yards form our home!

[quote]The lonely places, deserted buildings, crematoriums are said to be shelter of ghosts. The animals and birds freely go to these places day and night and do not get harmed by the evil spirits. Only man fears and is harmed. I wonder what this indicates. are the dogs, owls, cats free from terror of evil spirits unlike man?

Apparently, this is more psychological than real. As chinmoy said, there are many strange things occurring that cannot be explained. Human mind and energy is too small in relation to universe. Many things were unknown at the dawn of civilization and humanity has made a lot of progress so far. But still our knowledge is only a fraction of the whole and it is unlikely that all mysteries of universe could be solved any time.

I agree that the fear related to such elements is more psychological than real. But where the perception of animals is considered, they are much more sensitive than human beings.

I have seen in many incidents that a dog or a cat will NEVER step into a place which often gives a creepy feeling. There us one incident during my childhood, we used to live in an Air Force quarter and there was a huge neem tree in our front yard. We had a dog who was started barking one night, my mum got up to investigate and could see a white shadow revolving with great speed around the tree. The shadow kept changing shapes, and our dog was clearly very very scared. He kept barking from distance but would not go near, my mum picked up a stone and threw it at the figure which instantly vaporized. The next day, my mum fell terribly ill, no explanations could be given by doctors, and our dog inexplicably was found dead the next night a few hundred yards form our home![/quote]

This is about domesticated dog. Such animals develop traits of humans. But the stray dogs, undomesticated animals and birds have no fear of any evil spirits. They will go to any deserted place at easy. In fact, the owls are lovers of such places. may be certain living beings like owls, bats and dogs love ghosts.

So friends all the views expressed so far just point to that grey region which would be always there to produce goblin,sprite,banshees and our very own Bhoots,Petnis,Sakchunnis and what not! There are some do-gooders, there are some evil-doers cutting across all genders. You have incubus and succubus!! Some of the gripping stories and floklores are based on these ethereal creatures. So don't get frightened by them as I didn't a few months back when I was returning home late in night. On that very day there was death of a person living my next door,I rang the door-bell and gently pushed the door to be awe-struck to find the door bolt came off on its own. I rushed upstairs to find if anyone opened the doors but all they seem to be stunned!!! I couldn't find a satisfactory answer till date!

[quote]Indian culture emphasis on the existance of 'Panch Bhootha' constituting 5 basic elements of life and they are themselves considered as strong enough to control the whole earth. Early men feared them and they begin to worship them in the form of God- Varuna.....(for water)....Agnideva...(for fire)...Goddess Bhumi for Earth......Vayu Bhagavan for air. Though can't be seen , their virtual existence was considered as divine forces by early men itself.

Sandhya, a little correction, the five elements Panch Mahabhoota not panch bhoota, and who says they are invisible??? We can clearly see fire, water, earth and the air(when it manifests itself in the form of powerful winds)! Also, I want to point out that these elements do not fall under supernatural category, although they are divine, there is a well defined and structured explanation for presence of these elements, unlike supernatural forces that we are discussing about.[/quote]

Yes.....in Malayalam we name them as 'Panchabhoota'. I am saying though these 5 forces are visible to us, the devas who are controlling these 5 are not visible to us and we worship sun, moon, earth, wind and water giving them humanly shapes and divine power.

Its not just about the domestic animals and undomestic. It has been said that when the animals see or smell about these supernatural powers they start moaning or crying and i have witnessed it several times. Sometimes nothing bad happens like their is no man standing, even no natural calamity also but the dogs start barking and whom they bark, wind so its not wind they bark its something else in that air.

I posted a thread In suicide thread that an uncle near my house suicided last year because he was having a paralysis problem from past 5 years. And i also said that he was very good and a positive man. Every one was in shock that how the man like him can do so. But after 3-4 months of his death the truth came infront.
On the day of his death many unusual things happened, there was a cyclone and it disturbed many things, a huge tree behind my house fallen on the room of my neighbour and his room was destroyed. And the street dogs all were moaning before his death even my dog too.
Afterwards a pandit saw the kundli of uncle after 3-4 months and when he saw it the paper was badly destroyed as if someone crushed it into pieces. then he told that someone near by your house has done some puja etc for doing this, Afterwards someone told that the lady living infront of her house has done this puja to save his husband and she will do this after every 3 to 5 years in which one mperson will die and his man will be saved. And many pandits told this. And its true also because the lady is always involved in such activities and earlier the condition of her house was not good but after death of that uncle everything seems to be good in her house.

There is a abandon house with a tree in front, people fear to go there as they thing a person with his lover, committed suicide. Another such place is my college hostel, In one room a girl committed suicide, and no one never get near to that room. :blink: :huh: :) Does this happened anywhere?

Yes one can find these abandoned houses anywhere. :laugh:

It was said about the girl's hostel of our college that one of the girl committed suicide there and her ghost often comes to the hostel to do some spooky things but i don't know if it was true or not. :) I asked it from one of the girl living in the hostel she said no i never felt like any ghost there. :laugh:

I concluded from it that these stories are made just to make sort of fear in people and nothing more. :)