Let's begin with Nehru Ji, he allowed division of the country into two parts
Indira further divided it into three, the reason Pakistan reacting so violently.
Rajiv wanted to intervene in Shri Lanka
Now the crown prince wants to divide it further into many pieces so he can keep one of the divided pieces for himself. Sindhiya has already said shouting slogan against motherland is no crime and threatening slogans are nothing but freedom of expression.
There never is and never has been any doubt that Mahishasura was an evil force and a demon and it is only now with left support that such communal divide taking gods name has been happening in our country . All hindus who are aware of their culture and know the mythology know this for a fact so let us not simply go by some tom and dick ,harry and left ideas and say left is right and right is left ! Some people can go to any length to defend the wrong doings of their party even disowning scriptures !
Mahishasura was the king of danavas who had a fight with devtas a recurant theme in our mythology. Everytime a danava king seems to be winning the gods come in various forms to finish them off. Now the descendents of danavas will have a soft corner for their kings. The devtas are the upper castes of today who feel their kings and gods are to be respected by all Hindus. Maturity consists of respecting feeling of all Hindus and not thrusting on any particular section.
MG Singh wrote:This disowning your own heritage can only happen in India and shows the concept of nationhood does no exist. If it had the Jats would not have destroyed Rs 20,000 crore of property during their agitation.
I agree with you. Had there been the concept of Nationhood and respect in their rich heritage, , they wouldn't have destroyed their own heritage and legacy with their own hands like Jats in Haryana.
It is because a common definition of nationalism in India is still evolving due to religious divide, caste conflicts, social fractures. nationhood does not happen by a few thrusting it down upon others. It takes time. If communities are insulted , minorities doubted, social oppression encouraged how will a common nationalism develop?
vijay wrote:It is because a common definition of nationalism in India is still evolving due to religious divide, caste conflicts, social fractures. nationhood does not happen by a few thrusting it down upon others. It takes time. If communities are insulted , minorities doubted, social oppression encouraged how will a common nationalism develop?
I doubt it can develop in India as the leadership does not have a great leader. Unfortunately the leaders who came like Gandhi were not revolutionaries and that is the bane of India. Gandhi believed in Varna system and that set India back by centuries.
vijay wrote:It is because a common definition of nationalism in India is still evolving due to religious divide, caste conflicts, social fractures. nationhood does not happen by a few thrusting it down upon others. It takes time. If communities are insulted , minorities doubted, social oppression encouraged how will a common nationalism develop?
To me, nation is nothing but an extension of family. In a family, whom will you consider a good daughter in law. A daughter in law says that she likes all family traditions. she worships daily. She dresses well. She likes all rooms and garden. Hence she is good family member. But she dislikes and abuses her husband, sister in law and others.
Now think of this in extended family- nation. some organization says that they love the culture, history of country, trees, land, river everything. But the minority community is bad and devilish. Those with other views are anti national. Such organization is just like that stupid daughter in law.
Nation does not mean just old traditions, mythology, a particular community or way of thought. Nation consists of all communities living in the land speaking different languages, having various faiths and so on. Just as a good family member must love and respect other family members- a good citizen must respect all citizens irrespective of caste, creed, faith, language. This is the real meaning of nationalism. Any attempt to force a particular faith, language and way of life on others is certainly not nationalism. This is chauvinism and ultimately means anti nationalism.
In the ultimate analysis, nationalism or say, patriotism is respecting unity in diversity.
usha manohar wrote:There never is and never has been any doubt that Mahishasura was an evil force and a demon and it is only now with left support that such communal divide taking gods name has been happening in our country . All hindus who are aware of their culture and know the mythology know this for a fact so let us not simply go by some tom and dick ,harry and left ideas and say left is right and right is left ! Some people can go to any length to defend the wrong doings of their party even disowning scriptures !
True Usha, the lower caste people who are now trying to celebrate the death anniversary of Mahishasura saying that he was a valiant and righteous leader of the original inhabitants (mulnivasis) are only doing so at the behest and provocation of congress and leftists. Both of these factions have never done anything concrete to bridge the gap between communities, in fact only poured oil on the flames and still keep doing it. My point is, why such happenings are allowed to take seed and grow rapidly in the JNU which is funded by people? Why should we pay for the poison that this 'illustrious' institution is sowing in the minds of the young? Such institutions should be closed down and such agitations quashed down. Another thing that comes to mind is why do students in other institutions think of such ridiculous ideas and concepts to fight for? Total confusion.....
vijay wrote:The dalits must accept always but the self styled upper castes wil decide what they should accept. Why can the upper castes not accept Mahishasura as a genuine king of his followers. Instead they want the university to be closed down.
Not when such universities breed a crop of anarchists who do nothing worthwhile or productive and the so-called 'hero' they are glorifying is no one but a demon who does not have even single praiseworthy attribute!
That is your viewpoint but it cannot be the only viewpoint. Others also have a right. Upper castes wil naturally see negative atributes in lower caste heroes. That is no reason to deny them their beliefs. If u celebrate victory over demons as classified by you, the demon's followers also have a right to their heroes. Why does it cause so much agitation in upper castes. It is time they should learn to live and let live and not to live and dictate.
rambabu wrote:vijay wrote:Please address the issue of caste war within Hinduism and not bring Afzal etc into it to digress.
Yes, Afzal Guru and the likes of such heroes should garlanded and given a Red carpet welcome.
I think Vijay was referring to dalits' right to worship Mahishasur just as others could worship Durga. It is known that many in Bengal and Odisa worship Mahisasur. This is a matter among Hindus. The issue of Afazal is different and is not relevant when we talk about worship of Hindu deities (or Hindu demons).
suni51 wrote:@Vijai let's discuss facts, and the facts are weird than fictions some times. When the discussion begins it goes right and left or up and down espcially when the nation is on the stake.
@Jincy Aby you mean you liked my post to tell me I forgot one N
I have added so many Ns in the thread you can easily forgive me for one N for a change. But I agree I made a mistake and here goes that N in its right place
Some phrases are in English that people cannot understand the real meaning of that so easily. When I read that thread, first I thought that 'price crowd' is also a phrase like that. It took time to understand that sentence. I brought this points here just for clearing my doubt. Please don't mind.
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