We have some dreaded terrorists languishing in the prison - Abu Salem . Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab and of course many others not so (in)famous.
Our government is of course not sure how to punish them and in the bargain spending several crores of rupees just taking care and maintaining them .
There are many people who feel that they should not be given a death sentence since they are just puppets in the hand of those who are calling the shots from across the border.But , at the same time , the deaths were caused by them and they are adults who are able to think for themselves, so why should they not be held responsible for their heinous crimes...
Should they be given death sentence or Life sentence ?
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They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
When death sentence is awarded by competent court and confirmed by High Court, there should be no undue delay. The guilty have a constitutional right to ask for clemency and this is undeniable. The process of dealing with mercy petition is quite long as state government's views are ascertained after which Central Government sends advice to President. President's office may also take some time to act on the petition.
We may agree that mercy should not be given in such cases and death sentence executed. In that case, we should not expect Pakistan or other countries to show mercy to the Indian nationals accused of terrorist killing there.
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
When death sentence is awarded by competent court and confirmed by High Court, there should be no undue delay. The guilty have a constitutional right to ask for clemency and this is undeniable. The process of dealing with mercy petition is quite long as state government's views are ascertained after which Central Government sends advice to President. President's office may also take some time to act on the petition.
We may agree that mercy should not be given in such cases and death sentence executed. In that case, we should not expect Pakistan or other countries to show mercy to the Indian nationals accused of terrorist killing there.
I would agree with that , and we should not interfere if it has been proven beyond any doubt ...here Kasab is a Pakistani but Afzal Guru is a Indian Kashmiri , of course they identify themselves differently as freedom fighters...
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
When death sentence is awarded by competent court and confirmed by High Court, there should be no undue delay. The guilty have a constitutional right to ask for clemency and this is undeniable. The process of dealing with mercy petition is quite long as state government's views are ascertained after which Central Government sends advice to President. President's office may also take some time to act on the petition.
We may agree that mercy should not be given in such cases and death sentence executed. In that case, we should not expect Pakistan or other countries to show mercy to the Indian nationals accused of terrorist killing there.
Yes....of course.
Yes, the time lag caused by its processes are keeping such punishments in pending. It gives more time to criminals to think about more loop holes so that they can escape from punishment. isn't it?
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
When death sentence is awarded by competent court and confirmed by High Court, there should be no undue delay. The guilty have a constitutional right to ask for clemency and this is undeniable. The process of dealing with mercy petition is quite long as state government's views are ascertained after which Central Government sends advice to President. President's office may also take some time to act on the petition.
We may agree that mercy should not be given in such cases and death sentence executed. In that case, we should not expect Pakistan or other countries to show mercy to the Indian nationals accused of terrorist killing there.
Yes....of course.
Yes, the time lag caused by its processes are keeping such punishments in pending. It gives more time to criminals to think about more loop holes so that they can escape from punishment. isn't it?
There is no need to think of loopholes while the cases are pending. The terrorists and their masterminds know much before the entire legal process and loopholes. It is more necessary to equip our police and para military forces with the means to prevent the terrorist act and to effectively deal with the terrorists during the operations so that there is no need for court decisions.
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
I don't understand the reason for such dillydallying. Afzal Guru's petition was pending with Pratibha Patil during her entire tenure and she did not take any action on it, now it has been passed to Mukherjee, but there is little hope of his sentence being carried out in the near future. I wonder how much more taxpayers' money if going to be spent on feeding Guru and Kasab? Now that Ramzan has started, they must be getting biryanis and what not on a daily basis! :angry:
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
I don't understand the reason for such dillydallying. Afzal Guru's petition was pending with Pratibha Patil during her entire tenure and she did not take any action on it, now it has been passed to Mukherjee, but there is little hope of his sentence being carried out in the near future. I wonder how much more taxpayers' money if going to be spent on feeding Guru and Kasab? Now that Ramzan has started, they must be getting biryanis and what not on a daily basis! :angry:
Of course they must be getting Biriyani and everything else they demand for, the tantrums Kasab gets into makes you grit your teeth ...Pratibha Patil , I suppose was wholly taken up with showing her family the entire world during her tenure and in the later years about where she is going to build her house , of course at tax payers expense and how best she can make the most of it, so where is the time left for Guru? The terrorists must be laughing all the way at our country and its leaders :unsure: :blink:
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
I don't understand the reason for such dillydallying. Afzal Guru's petition was pending with Pratibha Patil during her entire tenure and she did not take any action on it, now it has been passed to Mukherjee, but there is little hope of his sentence being carried out in the near future. I wonder how much more taxpayers' money if going to be spent on feeding Guru and Kasab? Now that Ramzan has started, they must be getting biryanis and what not on a daily basis! :angry:
Of course they must be getting Biriyani and everything else they demand for, the tantrums Kasab gets into makes you grit your teeth ...Pratibha Patil , I suppose was wholly taken up with showing her family the entire world during her tenure and in the later years about where she is going to build her house , of course at tax payers expense and how best she can make the most of it, so where is the time left for Guru? The terrorists must be laughing all the way at our country and its leaders :unsure: :blink:
Yes!! :angry: Pratibha Patil and all others have made us a laughing stock!! :angry: :angry:
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
I don't understand the reason for such dillydallying. Afzal Guru's petition was pending with Pratibha Patil during her entire tenure and she did not take any action on it, now it has been passed to Mukherjee, but there is little hope of his sentence being carried out in the near future. I wonder how much more taxpayers' money if going to be spent on feeding Guru and Kasab? Now that Ramzan has started, they must be getting biryanis and what not on a daily basis! :angry:
Of course they must be getting Biriyani and everything else they demand for, the tantrums Kasab gets into makes you grit your teeth ...Pratibha Patil , I suppose was wholly taken up with showing her family the entire world during her tenure and in the later years about where she is going to build her house , of course at tax payers expense and how best she can make the most of it, so where is the time left for Guru? The terrorists must be laughing all the way at our country and its leaders :unsure: :blink:
Yes!! :angry: Pratibha Patil and all others have made us a laughing stock!! :angry: :angry:
Apparently, role of President is not yet understood by many. Pratibha Patil could have done nothing. She had virtually no say. she could do only what the Union cabinet advised. In matter of mercy petition, Union government obtains report and views from concerned state government and then sens advice to President. So blame Union government and not President- Pratibha or Pranab.
They are held guilty and hence punished by court. The penalty of death sentence has been discontinued in many countries but this continues in India. The Government does not decide the cases and hence it is wrong to say that the government is not sure how to punish them. This is court job. The question of quantum of punishment viz. Death sentence or jail term is decided by court only keeping in view the extent of involvement of the accused.
Afzal guru was given a death sentence and so was Kasab ....when there is dillydallying by the authorities it sends out wrong messages esp to the terrorist groups...
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-05-06/india/28299185_1_kasab-and-nine-pakistani-gunman-k-p-pawar
I don't understand the reason for such dillydallying. Afzal Guru's petition was pending with Pratibha Patil during her entire tenure and she did not take any action on it, now it has been passed to Mukherjee, but there is little hope of his sentence being carried out in the near future. I wonder how much more taxpayers' money if going to be spent on feeding Guru and Kasab? Now that Ramzan has started, they must be getting biryanis and what not on a daily basis! :angry:
Of course they must be getting Biriyani and everything else they demand for, the tantrums Kasab gets into makes you grit your teeth ...Pratibha Patil , I suppose was wholly taken up with showing her family the entire world during her tenure and in the later years about where she is going to build her house , of course at tax payers expense and how best she can make the most of it, so where is the time left for Guru? The terrorists must be laughing all the way at our country and its leaders :unsure: :blink:
Yes!! :angry: Pratibha Patil and all others have made us a laughing stock!! :angry: :angry:
I sincerely wish that Pratibha Patil and her clan, who toured the world with her, gets to read this ..
http://zeenews.india.com/blog/66/blog839.html
In this particular instance I won't blame any president for it,it's the spinelessness of the head of the government which has exposed us to the ridicule of the world! Here again our the conduct of our ex FM and now President should raise questions. He was part of the powerful think-tank which exhibited this spinelessness! Not a single member of this think-tank staked his or her selfish interest to make it an issue to resign!! These days ministers don't resign on their own unless forced to!
In this particular instance I won't blame any president for it,it's the spinelessness of the head of the government which has exposed to the ridicule of the world! Here again our the conduct of our ex FM and now President should raise questions. He was part of the powerful think-tank which exhibited this spinelessness! Not a single member of this think-tank staked his or her selfish interest to make it an issue to resign!! These days ministers don't resign on their own unless forced to!
Earlier there was a lot of respect attached the post of President..I wonder how things are going to be now ,since Pranab Mukherji is very much part of Sonia Gandhi's yes men like our PM...
If someone is a genuine terrorist, he should be killed at sight. Arrests and court proceedings is not for the devils. Terrorists are devils in human forms.
what India is doing in Kasab case, is they think that they could get more and more information about different terrorist.
I doubt if they will get anything much out of Kasab since he has been put through everything possible and they have got some information, which Pakistan as usual says is not evidence or proof that terrorists are hiding in their country ! One can see that Pakistan is at the base of every terror problem we face toady !
If someone is a genuine terrorist, he should be killed at sight. Arrests and court proceedings is not for the devils. Terrorists are devils in human forms.
what India is doing in Kasab case, is they think that they could get more and more information about different terrorist.
I doubt if they will get anything much out of Kasab since he has been put through everything possible and they have got some information, which Pakistan as usual says is not evidence or proof that terrorists are hiding in their country ! One can see that Pakistan is at the base of every terror problem we face toady !
No doubt, the menace of cross border terrorism in India us owing to Pakistan. We need to strictly guard our borders and entry of terrorists to our country. As soon as there is trace of terrorists, immediate commando/ police action is necessary. The need for trial in court must be minimum. It is not possible to avoid delay in judicial process.
In this particular instance I won't blame any president for it,it's the spinelessness of the head of the government which has exposed to the ridicule of the world! Here again our the conduct of our ex FM and now President should raise questions. He was part of the powerful think-tank which exhibited this spinelessness! Not a single member of this think-tank staked his or her selfish interest to make it an issue to resign!! These days ministers don't resign on their own unless forced to!
Yes, its true, its more about the lack of willingness on part of the ruling government to carry out the executions as has been ordered by the court. But if that is the case, then why are those cases forwarded to the President for petitions?? Why go through all these unnecessary steps that only wastes obscene amounts of our money and creates mountains of useless paper? Once the court has given its judgement, just carry out those orders when the proper times comes!!
In this particular instance I won't blame any president for it,it's the spinelessness of the head of the government which has exposed to the ridicule of the world! Here again our the conduct of our ex FM and now President should raise questions. He was part of the powerful think-tank which exhibited this spinelessness! Not a single member of this think-tank staked his or her selfish interest to make it an issue to resign!! These days ministers don't resign on their own unless forced to!
Yes, its true, its more about the lack of willingness on part of the ruling government to carry out the executions as has been ordered by the court. But if that is the case, then why are those cases forwarded to the President for petitions?? Why go through all these unnecessary steps that only wastes obscene amounts of our money and creates mountains of useless paper? Once the court has given its judgement, just carry out those orders when the proper times comes!!
In case of death sentence, the culprit has constitutional right to seek mercy. Mercy petition cannot be summarily rejected. Government has no choice as this is constitutional and legal remedy available to culprit. After receiving mercy petition, the government has to follow the proper procedure viz. getting getting opinion of state government concerned and thereafter sending the petition to President of India with cabinet advice.
Once the terrorist is arrested and presented to court, there is long legal process that cannot be avoided. If the terrorist is killed in action, this would be different.
In this particular instance I won't blame any president for it,it's the spinelessness of the head of the government which has exposed to the ridicule of the world! Here again our the conduct of our ex FM and now President should raise questions. He was part of the powerful think-tank which exhibited this spinelessness! Not a single member of this think-tank staked his or her selfish interest to make it an issue to resign!! These days ministers don't resign on their own unless forced to!
Yes, its true, its more about the lack of willingness on part of the ruling government to carry out the executions as has been ordered by the court. But if that is the case, then why are those cases forwarded to the President for petitions?? Why go through all these unnecessary steps that only wastes obscene amounts of our money and creates mountains of useless paper? Once the court has given its judgement, just carry out those orders when the proper times comes!!
In case of death sentence, the culprit has constitutional right to seek mercy. Mercy petition cannot be summarily rejected. Government has no choice as this is constitutional and legal remedy available to culprit. After receiving mercy petition, the government has to follow the proper procedure viz. getting getting opinion of state government concerned and thereafter sending the petition to President of India with cabinet advice.
Once the terrorist is arrested and presented to court, there is long legal process that cannot be avoided. If the terrorist is killed in action, this would be different.
No attempt should be made to defend the indefensible! No judicial process is pending in Afjal Guru's case. The highest court of the land has pronounced the verdict holding him guilty and punishment too was pronounced. The mercy petition has been gathering dust for years for reasons known to all. It's our horrific record of compromising with crimes and criminals that has landed in our present condition. The fact remains that in most of the terrorist violence,the common people are the worst sufferers and there is a yawning disconnect between the thoughts of common masses and our great rulers.
In this particular instance I won't blame any president for it,it's the spinelessness of the head of the government which has exposed to the ridicule of the world! Here again our the conduct of our ex FM and now President should raise questions. He was part of the powerful think-tank which exhibited this spinelessness! Not a single member of this think-tank staked his or her selfish interest to make it an issue to resign!! These days ministers don't resign on their own unless forced to!
Yes, its true, its more about the lack of willingness on part of the ruling government to carry out the executions as has been ordered by the court. But if that is the case, then why are those cases forwarded to the President for petitions?? Why go through all these unnecessary steps that only wastes obscene amounts of our money and creates mountains of useless paper? Once the court has given its judgement, just carry out those orders when the proper times comes!!
In case of death sentence, the culprit has constitutional right to seek mercy. Mercy petition cannot be summarily rejected. Government has no choice as this is constitutional and legal remedy available to culprit. After receiving mercy petition, the government has to follow the proper procedure viz. getting getting opinion of state government concerned and thereafter sending the petition to President of India with cabinet advice.
Once the terrorist is arrested and presented to court, there is long legal process that cannot be avoided. If the terrorist is killed in action, this would be different.
No attempt should be made to defend the indefensible! No judicial process is pending in Afjal Guru's case. The highest court of the land has pronounced the verdict holding him guilty and punishment too was pronounced. The mercy petition has been gathering dust for years for reasons known to all. It's our horrific record of compromising with crimes and criminals that has landed in our present condition. The fact remains that in most of the terrorist violence,the common people are the worst sufferers and there is a yawning disconnect between the thoughts of common masses and our great rulers.
There is no attempt to say that Govt. had not made undue delay in disposing the mercy petition. I just replied a member as to why mercy petition be entertained at all and the culprit hanged soon after death sentence.
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