The Directive Principles of State Policy contained in Part IV, Articles 36-51 of the Indian constitution. It enjoins the state to enact a uniform civil code. Should this proviso be scrapped?

i think the UCC should be scrapped because if we went on making a personal law for any individual religion then it would be very difficult for the law to be sustain because it can become a mess up.

Babu saroj wrote:

i think the UCC should be scrapped because if we went on making a personal law for any individual religion then it would be very difficult for the law to be sustain because it can become a mess up.

You have got mixed up ! Uniform Civil Code (UCC) is all about having one law for all regardless of religion and has not been implemented in India, so no question of scrapping it .

Here the issue is whether uniform civil code should be introduced as envisaged in directive principles of constitution. There is alternative suggestion whether the item be removed from directive principles. 

Apparently, most of debatable items were included in directive principles as a compromise. What was agreed upon is in main framework and what is undecided and disputed in directive principles. I feel that the directive principles should be implemented by fresh discussion. If some are not worth implementation, there is no harm in removing these from the directive principles.

Now the issue involved. There is no doubt that current major ruling party BJP, ally shiva Sena favor uniform civil code in their election speeches.  Jan Sangh- the earlier avatar of BJP also favored uniform civil code.  So, if they have been seriously promoting the concept of uniform civil code, let them bring legislation for this. If they don't do so now, they will forfeit any right to make demand for common civil code when they lose power.  

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Here the issue is whether uniform civil code should be introduced as envisaged in directive principles of constitution. There is alternative suggestion whether the item be removed from directive principles. 

Apparently, most of debatable items were included in directive principles as a compromise. What was agreed upon is in main framework and what is undecided and disputed in directive principles. I feel that the directive principles should be implemented by fresh discussion. If some are not worth implementation, there is no harm in removing these from the directive principles.

Now the issue involved. There is no doubt that current major ruling party BJP, ally shiva Sena favor uniform civil code in their election speeches.  Jan Sangh- the earlier avatar of BJP also favored uniform civil code.  So, if they have been seriously promoting the concept of uniform civil code, let them bring legislation for this. If they don't do so now, they will forfeit any right to make demand for common civil code when they lose power.

In a way I agree with Ajmaniji.The BJP must bring the bill for UCC in the house and open it to debate. I am a nationalst and BJP and Congress have little meaning for me. My point is why should India be the ONLY nation in world to have a diverse civil code. No where is such a proviso ANYWHERE. So good citizens must themselves force the government of the day to bring UCC.  If required the BJP can also be dumped like the corrupt Congress

Politics and political leaders have to deliver and look after the interest of the entire nation not just a handful of people who they think matter to them. If people are unhappy, naturally they will dump the party and the leader but not on any one issue, but on their overall performance, also their credibility and performance in comparison with the past leaders and political parties from which these leaders came..

People elect a party and empower it to rule the Country, with a hope the Party would rise up to their expectations. From this, it's obvious, , the reason for earlier party's Debacle and the present Party's rise. BJP or Congress or to that matter any party, must live upto the expectations and aspirations of the people.

I think this may be my last comment on this thread. Many people are talking that nothing can be done until there is a consensus. If we go by this nothing will ever be done. Sometimes one has to wield the knife. I have studied in great detail the action of Kemel Moustapha in Turkey. Everybody knows the massive ill will against him from the Ulema and die-hard Muslims to his revolutionary proposal, like abolishing Sharia etc. yet he did it with the sword and gun.

Our ancient rulers like Chandragupta and even Ashoka ruled with the sword. The moment Ashok gave up the sword his empire collapsed after his death. The Mughals also enforced the law with sword and so did the English when they eradicated  Thuggery and sati.Nothing can be done by just sitting on the fence. We need a leader who leads the nation and not a group or clan. Thus, the leader who has to come has to abolish caste, private civil code and integrate Kashmir. It's not difficult, but I am afraid Modi is not that man. My latest post on  "Has Modi missed the date with history" should be out soon on Boddunan. Thanks and good wishes to all.

I agree. Don't you think, for a new Govt, it is important to stabilize the Govt first ?. If Modi starts ruling the country by Sword, from the day One, I'm afraid, it may prove counter productive.Modi has to see the Nation as a whole unit and identify what are the things to be given top priority and what are the things that can wait. Taking all these things in to consideration one should judge Modi's Governance before jumping to conclusions.

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Don't you think, for a new Govt, it is important to stabilize the Govt first ?. If Modi starts ruling the country by Sword, from the day One, I'm afraid, it may prove counter productive.Modi has to see the Nation as a whole unit and identify what are the things to be given top priority and what are the things that can wait. Taking all these things in to consideration one should judge Modi's Governance before jumping to conclusions.

@ Rambabu. It's always a pleasure to read your comments. Remember I am a supporter of Modi but are you aware of his horoscope (  12th house)which is similar to Hitler and Napolean. It shows a precipitous rise and sheer fall to the nadir. It means that if Modi does not act , he may not win the next election. Time does not wait for anybody and good governance is not the only thing. India has a tryst with destiny and somebody has to lead forward. Even Nehru failed and Modi has to ACT otherwise, he may have a sheer fall. God bless him and hope he strikes like the gladiator or better still like tale of David and Goliath

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Don't you think, for a new Govt, it is important to stabilize the Govt first ?. If Modi starts ruling the country by Sword, from the day One, I'm afraid, it may prove counter productive.Modi has to see the Nation as a whole unit and identify what are the things to be given top priority and what are the things that can wait. Taking all these things in to consideration one should judge Modi's Governance before jumping to conclusions.

@ Rambabu. It's always a pleasure to read your comments. Remember I am a supporter of Modi but are you aware of his horoscope (  12th house)which is similar to Hitler and Napolean. It shows a precipitous rise and sheer fall to the nadir. It means that if Modi does not act , he may not win the next election. Time does not wait for anybody and good governance is not the only thing. India has a tryst with destiny and somebody has to lead forward. Even Nehru failed and Modi has to ACT otherwise, he may have a sheer fall. God bless him and hope he strikes like the gladiator or better still like tale of David and Goliath

I agree with you MG. Seeing the briskness in Modi's revolutionary reforms, I'm of the firm opinion, he has the strength and ability to reverse his Horoscope. As a Statesman, and head of the Nation,Modi has to see all round development of the Nation. Just consider my Pal, that Modi has inherited a Nation that was simply looted by erstwhile Government. It takes time for him to amend the wrongs done by the communal Government. Especially considering Magnitude of the earlier  spoils. So I request you and the like minded people to wait patiently  to see the good deeds of Modi.

While our s called secular and evolved citizens go all out against the uniform civil code just to  appease the minorities, the Muslim women want a uniform law for both Hindus and muslims after having suffered enough because of their men and their superior attitude ..

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/the-interviews-blog/same-laws-for-hindus-muslims-end-triple-talaq-shah-bano-denied-justice-i-got-postal-divorce-muslim-women-exploited/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOI

Umpteen times, the real colors of Congress party were exposed. The entire Nation knew about the Dramatis Personae behind the issues like  refusal of UCC, Communal intolerance between Hindus and Muslims, Bharat Mata ki Jai slogan controversy. Now the Muslim women themselves insisting Same Laws for Hindus and Muslims. Above all.Modi Govt which has been dubbed as Anti Muslim, by the congress. Now the Muslims seeing Modi and his Govt  as a Ray of hope that can save the Muslims in India. I'm of the opinion that truth certainly surfaces despite Congress efforts to malign Modi.

rambabu wrote:

Umpteen times, the real colors of Congress party were exposed. The entire Nation knew about the Dramatis Personae behind the issues like  refusal of UCC, Communal intolerance between Hindus and Muslims, Bharat Mata ki Jai slogan controversy. Now the Muslim women themselves insisting Same Laws for Hindus and Muslims. Above all.Modi Govt which has been dubbed as Anti Muslim, by the congress. Now the Muslims seeing Modi and his Govt  as a Ray of hope that can save the Muslims in India. I'm of the opinion that truth certainly surfaces despite Congress efforts to malign Modi.

The continuous mud slinging will not help. If you favor uniform civil code, bring legislation. Now if your favorite party is in power. If still legislation for uniform civil code or similar things is not introduced/ passed, it can be only said that the current ruling party has no intention to bring uniform civil code and this is raised only during election for votes. You cannot fool all for ever.  

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Umpteen times, the real colors of Congress party were exposed. The entire Nation knew about the Dramatis Personae behind the issues like  refusal of UCC, Communal intolerance between Hindus and Muslims, Bharat Mata ki Jai slogan controversy. Now the Muslim women themselves insisting Same Laws for Hindus and Muslims. Above all.Modi Govt which has been dubbed as Anti Muslim, by the congress. Now the Muslims seeing Modi and his Govt  as a Ray of hope that can save the Muslims in India. I'm of the opinion that truth certainly surfaces despite Congress efforts to malign Modi.

The continuous mud slinging will not help. If you favor uniform civil code, bring legislation. Now if your favorite party is in power. If still legislation for uniform civil code or similar things is not introduced/ passed, it can be only said that the current ruling party has no intention to bring uniform civil code and this is raised only during election for votes. You cannot fool all for ever.  

 

There are very strong reasons for continuous mud slinging on Congress. Is Triple Talaq not anti Islamic ? Muslim women who were the victims of Triple Talaq, themselves said, nowhere in Quran Triple Talaq was mentioned. Muslim women are falling in line to pray Modi to save them from Triple Talaq system. These hapless Muslim women want there should be uniform laws for Hindus and Muslims. Of course, Modi is there in power. He will certainly do the needful. To think that the ruling party has no intention to bring UCC is totally baseless and biased I'm asking you, why your favorite party and its Bosses are offended, whenever the ugly truths are brought to light.? Guilty consciousness.. eh...

 

 

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Umpteen times, the real colors of Congress party were exposed. The entire Nation knew about the Dramatis Personae behind the issues like  refusal of UCC, Communal intolerance between Hindus and Muslims, Bharat Mata ki Jai slogan controversy. Now the Muslim women themselves insisting Same Laws for Hindus and Muslims. Above all.Modi Govt which has been dubbed as Anti Muslim, by the congress. Now the Muslims seeing Modi and his Govt  as a Ray of hope that can save the Muslims in India. I'm of the opinion that truth certainly surfaces despite Congress efforts to malign Modi.

The continuous mud slinging will not help. If you favor uniform civil code, bring legislation. Now if your favorite party is in power. If still legislation for uniform civil code or similar things is not introduced/ passed, it can be only said that the current ruling party has no intention to bring uniform civil code and this is raised only during election for votes. You cannot fool all for ever.  

 

There are very strong reasons for continuous mud slinging on Congress. Is Triple Talaq not anti Islamic ? Muslim women who were the victims of Triple Talaq, themselves said, nowhere in Quran Triple Talaq was mentioned. Muslim women are falling in line to pray Modi to save them from Triple Talaq system. These hapless Muslim women want there should be uniform laws for Hindus and Muslims. Of course, Modi is there in power. He will certainly do the needful. To think that the ruling party has no intention to bring UCC is totally baseless and biased I'm asking you, why your favorite party and its Bosses are offended, whenever the ugly truths are brought to light.? Guilty consciousness.. eh...

i am not offended. No party is my favorite. There appears no sign of current ruling party doing anything for uniform personal law.  Now if this is not introduced, you can blame only BJP. congress did what they considered right and will oppose what they consider wrong.  Congress cannot be expected to support uniform personal law. BUT why the BJP now in power is reluctant to even talk of this?  I repeat that mere criticism of earlier ruling party will not help. Please persuade the ruling party (if you can) to bring suitable legislation in parliament to implement uniform personal law. If they don't do so, it only means that such issues are only for fooling people with a view to get votes.  It does not appear that the current ruling alliance has even an intention to bring uniform personal law.  any way, this is issue between the current ruling party and the staunch supporters. Others have nothing to do with this. They will enjoy just watching. 

 

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Umpteen times, the real colors of Congress party were exposed. The entire Nation knew about the Dramatis Personae behind the issues like  refusal of UCC, Communal intolerance between Hindus and Muslims, Bharat Mata ki Jai slogan controversy. Now the Muslim women themselves insisting Same Laws for Hindus and Muslims. Above all.Modi Govt which has been dubbed as Anti Muslim, by the congress. Now the Muslims seeing Modi and his Govt  as a Ray of hope that can save the Muslims in India. I'm of the opinion that truth certainly surfaces despite Congress efforts to malign Modi.

The continuous mud slinging will not help. If you favor uniform civil code, bring legislation. Now if your favorite party is in power. If still legislation for uniform civil code or similar things is not introduced/ passed, it can be only said that the current ruling party has no intention to bring uniform civil code and this is raised only during election for votes. You cannot fool all for ever.  

 

There are very strong reasons for continuous mud slinging on Congress. Is Triple Talaq not anti Islamic ? Muslim women who were the victims of Triple Talaq, themselves said, nowhere in Quran Triple Talaq was mentioned. Muslim women are falling in line to pray Modi to save them from Triple Talaq system. These hapless Muslim women want there should be uniform laws for Hindus and Muslims. Of course, Modi is there in power. He will certainly do the needful. To think that the ruling party has no intention to bring UCC is totally baseless and biased I'm asking you, why your favorite party and its Bosses are offended, whenever the ugly truths are brought to light.? Guilty consciousness.. eh...

i am not offended. No party is my favorite. There appears no sign of current ruling party doing anything for uniform personal law.  Now if this is not introduced, you can blame only BJP. congress did what they considered right and will oppose what they consider wrong.  Congress cannot be expected to support uniform personal law. BUT why the BJP now in power is reluctant to even talk of this?  I repeat that mere criticism of earlier ruling party will not help. Please persuade the ruling party (if you can) to bring suitable legislation in parliament to implement uniform personal law. If they don't do so, it only means that such issues are only for fooling people with a view to get votes.  It does not appear that the current ruling alliance has even an intention to bring uniform personal law.  any way, this is issue between the current ruling party and the staunch supporters. Others have nothing to do with this. They will enjoy just watching. 

 

I agree with you. Mere criticism of earlier ruling party will not help. My Question is, How it's going to help by  criticizing BJP for its inaction. What BJP is going to do or not going to do will be decided by the High command of BJP. A new party has its own priorities depending on the merit of an issue. I do not like mere guessing and jumping to hasty and baseless conclusions, that BJP is reluctant to bring in UCC

 

 

 

 

Issues raised during election campaigns are expected to be concretised upon parties coming to power.

Do you think that the party that has been elected by the people, doesn't know this simple responsibility ? The elected Party knows pretty well its responsibilities and obligations towards its people. Only criteria is people have to wait.

On Uniform Civil Code, the manifesto said Art 44 of the Constitution lists Uniform Civil Code (UCC) as one of the directive principles of the state policy. "BJP believes that there cannot be gender equality till such time India adopts a UCC which protects the rights of all women and the BJP reiterates its stand to draft a UCC drawing upon the best traditions and harmonising them with modern times," said the document.

I dont see anything wrong with what they have said, so why is the opposition , the communal parties and its supporters challenging them ? Are they going to oppose something the will be welcomed by the majority of the nation to please a few ..I guess it is the fear that BJP will march over them that makes them keep bringing this issue every now and then...very immature and childish ! They dont seem to realise that there is a time for everything esp now when the parliament has its hands full with all the ghotalas of the previous government coming out, the saffron infested people have to bite their words 

usha manohar wrote:

On Uniform Civil Code, the manifesto said Art 44 of the Constitution lists Uniform Civil Code (UCC) as one of the directive principles of the state policy. "BJP believes that there cannot be gender equality till such time India adopts a UCC which protects the rights of all women and the BJP reiterates its stand to draft a UCC drawing upon the best traditions and harmonising them with modern times," said the document.

 

I dont see anything wrong with what they have said, so why is the opposition , the communal parties and its supporters challenging them ? Are they going to oppose something the will be welcomed by the majority of the nation to please a few ..I guess it is the fear that BJP will march over them that makes them keep bringing this issue every now and then...very immature and childish ! They dont seem to realise that there is a time for everything esp now when the parliament has its hands full with all the ghotalas of the previous government coming out, the saffron infested people have to bite their words 

Presently, neither the ruling party is doing anything to bring legislation on uniform personal law nor anyone is opposing. How can something be opposed if this is not even proposed or anything done?