The Directive Principles of State Policy contained in Part IV, Articles 36-51 of the Indian constitution. It enjoins the state to enact a uniform civil code. Should this proviso be scrapped?

Yes I went through this and there is a mention of uniform civil code at paragraph 44 in this page. The governments of course want to keep it under wraps since decades ..

http://www.constitution.org/cons/india/p04.html

There is no issue. Bring a uniform civil code. This is the issue raised by BJP and some other organizations from time to time. But they utilize this only for vote catching. When they are in power, they forget everything. During Vajpayee's premiership, there was no attempt to enforce uniform civil code. Now they are in power. Let them try. But they will not. However as soon as they are ousted from power, they will raise uniform civil code and what not again as vote catching slogan.

I believe that there can be no uniform civil code so far as personal law on marriage and inheritance is involved. There cannot be uniform code even for Hindus. The sikhs also want their own civil code.  I favor the suggestion that this be deleted from the directive principles of state policy.  However, as the parliament alone has power and the BJP/ saffron forces are now in power, let them utilize the opportunity to implement uniform civil code and whatever they have been demanding. But they will not. all such things are only to fool the people and grab votes. 

The issues of Article 370, Uniform Civil Code, Bofors, 1984, Ram Mandir, are issues to be kept alive for being raised during election times. If tey are resolved BJP thinks it will become issue less. I also support the demand that BJP government should move a UCC bill in the Parliament, why should the provisi be dropped by a party that advocates it all the time. It is like an army that backs away from a campaign it wanted to launch and when given a chance chickens out.

WOW, so in essence Article 370( monumental mistake by the then government ), UCC, Bofors, 1984 Massacre of sikhs never happened , These are all issues that BJP brings out to get votes ! And people challenge BJP to sort out the issues if they have the guts after the horse has been given enough help to flee and closing the stable doors after it has fled. Do Congress supporters expect people of this country to believe such rubbish ? people have more intelligence than that !

I doubt.

In fact, the P.M. said soon after parliamentary  elections that all disputed issues including Article 370, Ram Janma Bhoomi be deferred for five years and only development be issue.  In fact, nobody can dare to bring uniform civil code or resolve the Ayodhya dispute or change status of J & K.  This may be owing to lack of courage or lack of sufficient support in parliament.  Only numerical support in parliament does not suffice. It takes a lot of courage even to introduce bill for uniform civil code in parliament. Congress and Left parties will certainly oppose. Even BJP allies except Shiva Sena will oppose. 

There is no excuse now. The secular forces are clear that there can be no uniform civil code. If the ruling alliance favors, it is for them to bring appropriate legislation. If they don't or have no such courage, it makes no sense to debate such issues from time to time. 

Now I seriously wonder who these so called secular parties are? The most communal and corrupt Congress party ? Or parties run by goons like Mulayam Singh and Lalu ?  Or another equally corrupt DMK or is it the shifty left parties , who definitely wd support nothing that does not benefit them and their interest and nation comes last for these parties .. If BJP or any party does not bring in a uniform set of civil laws , in all probability it may lead to civil war. That's what some well read sociologist think, not the award wapsi kind ..

Then bring it. Do not thunder only let there  be rains also!! Enough of finding faults and blaming all the time. Act for gods sake. Time to stop coining a new acronym everyday.

When people get all worked up when truth surfaces, it is but fair that they shd also look at themselves and their own allies who are perpetually saffronising this forum left , right and center, day in and day out and expect everybody else to put with their saffron phobia!

vijay wrote:

Then bring it. Do not thunder only let there  be rains also!! Enough of finding faults and blaming all the time. Act for gods sake. Time to stop coining a new acronym everyday.

When there are faults, What's wrong with if some one points out ? Otherwise how an ever  fault committing party can mend its ways ?

i think the UCC should be scrapped because if we went on making a personal law for any individual religion then it would be very difficult for the law to be sustain because it can become a mess up.

Babu saroj wrote:

i think the UCC should be scrapped because if we went on making a personal law for any individual religion then it would be very difficult for the law to be sustain because it can become a mess up.

You have got mixed up ! Uniform Civil Code (UCC) is all about having one law for all regardless of religion and has not been implemented in India, so no question of scrapping it .

Here the issue is whether uniform civil code should be introduced as envisaged in directive principles of constitution. There is alternative suggestion whether the item be removed from directive principles. 

Apparently, most of debatable items were included in directive principles as a compromise. What was agreed upon is in main framework and what is undecided and disputed in directive principles. I feel that the directive principles should be implemented by fresh discussion. If some are not worth implementation, there is no harm in removing these from the directive principles.

Now the issue involved. There is no doubt that current major ruling party BJP, ally shiva Sena favor uniform civil code in their election speeches.  Jan Sangh- the earlier avatar of BJP also favored uniform civil code.  So, if they have been seriously promoting the concept of uniform civil code, let them bring legislation for this. If they don't do so now, they will forfeit any right to make demand for common civil code when they lose power.  

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Here the issue is whether uniform civil code should be introduced as envisaged in directive principles of constitution. There is alternative suggestion whether the item be removed from directive principles. 

Apparently, most of debatable items were included in directive principles as a compromise. What was agreed upon is in main framework and what is undecided and disputed in directive principles. I feel that the directive principles should be implemented by fresh discussion. If some are not worth implementation, there is no harm in removing these from the directive principles.

Now the issue involved. There is no doubt that current major ruling party BJP, ally shiva Sena favor uniform civil code in their election speeches.  Jan Sangh- the earlier avatar of BJP also favored uniform civil code.  So, if they have been seriously promoting the concept of uniform civil code, let them bring legislation for this. If they don't do so now, they will forfeit any right to make demand for common civil code when they lose power.

In a way I agree with Ajmaniji.The BJP must bring the bill for UCC in the house and open it to debate. I am a nationalst and BJP and Congress have little meaning for me. My point is why should India be the ONLY nation in world to have a diverse civil code. No where is such a proviso ANYWHERE. So good citizens must themselves force the government of the day to bring UCC.  If required the BJP can also be dumped like the corrupt Congress

Politics and political leaders have to deliver and look after the interest of the entire nation not just a handful of people who they think matter to them. If people are unhappy, naturally they will dump the party and the leader but not on any one issue, but on their overall performance, also their credibility and performance in comparison with the past leaders and political parties from which these leaders came..

People elect a party and empower it to rule the Country, with a hope the Party would rise up to their expectations. From this, it's obvious, , the reason for earlier party's Debacle and the present Party's rise. BJP or Congress or to that matter any party, must live upto the expectations and aspirations of the people.

I think this may be my last comment on this thread. Many people are talking that nothing can be done until there is a consensus. If we go by this nothing will ever be done. Sometimes one has to wield the knife. I have studied in great detail the action of Kemel Moustapha in Turkey. Everybody knows the massive ill will against him from the Ulema and die-hard Muslims to his revolutionary proposal, like abolishing Sharia etc. yet he did it with the sword and gun.

Our ancient rulers like Chandragupta and even Ashoka ruled with the sword. The moment Ashok gave up the sword his empire collapsed after his death. The Mughals also enforced the law with sword and so did the English when they eradicated  Thuggery and sati.Nothing can be done by just sitting on the fence. We need a leader who leads the nation and not a group or clan. Thus, the leader who has to come has to abolish caste, private civil code and integrate Kashmir. It's not difficult, but I am afraid Modi is not that man. My latest post on  "Has Modi missed the date with history" should be out soon on Boddunan. Thanks and good wishes to all.

I agree. Don't you think, for a new Govt, it is important to stabilize the Govt first ?. If Modi starts ruling the country by Sword, from the day One, I'm afraid, it may prove counter productive.Modi has to see the Nation as a whole unit and identify what are the things to be given top priority and what are the things that can wait. Taking all these things in to consideration one should judge Modi's Governance before jumping to conclusions.

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Don't you think, for a new Govt, it is important to stabilize the Govt first ?. If Modi starts ruling the country by Sword, from the day One, I'm afraid, it may prove counter productive.Modi has to see the Nation as a whole unit and identify what are the things to be given top priority and what are the things that can wait. Taking all these things in to consideration one should judge Modi's Governance before jumping to conclusions.

@ Rambabu. It's always a pleasure to read your comments. Remember I am a supporter of Modi but are you aware of his horoscope (  12th house)which is similar to Hitler and Napolean. It shows a precipitous rise and sheer fall to the nadir. It means that if Modi does not act , he may not win the next election. Time does not wait for anybody and good governance is not the only thing. India has a tryst with destiny and somebody has to lead forward. Even Nehru failed and Modi has to ACT otherwise, he may have a sheer fall. God bless him and hope he strikes like the gladiator or better still like tale of David and Goliath

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Don't you think, for a new Govt, it is important to stabilize the Govt first ?. If Modi starts ruling the country by Sword, from the day One, I'm afraid, it may prove counter productive.Modi has to see the Nation as a whole unit and identify what are the things to be given top priority and what are the things that can wait. Taking all these things in to consideration one should judge Modi's Governance before jumping to conclusions.

@ Rambabu. It's always a pleasure to read your comments. Remember I am a supporter of Modi but are you aware of his horoscope (  12th house)which is similar to Hitler and Napolean. It shows a precipitous rise and sheer fall to the nadir. It means that if Modi does not act , he may not win the next election. Time does not wait for anybody and good governance is not the only thing. India has a tryst with destiny and somebody has to lead forward. Even Nehru failed and Modi has to ACT otherwise, he may have a sheer fall. God bless him and hope he strikes like the gladiator or better still like tale of David and Goliath

I agree with you MG. Seeing the briskness in Modi's revolutionary reforms, I'm of the firm opinion, he has the strength and ability to reverse his Horoscope. As a Statesman, and head of the Nation,Modi has to see all round development of the Nation. Just consider my Pal, that Modi has inherited a Nation that was simply looted by erstwhile Government. It takes time for him to amend the wrongs done by the communal Government. Especially considering Magnitude of the earlier  spoils. So I request you and the like minded people to wait patiently  to see the good deeds of Modi.