Group Discussion Contest - March 8 to March 14

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I think not to overprotective for them is ok but these days due to fear for many reasons parents have for girls they are overprotective. There is no doubt women should be respected in any case.They should be free to do things with their own wish nothing should be forced on them to do.Here in INDIA when the girl is at her parent's house his parents decide what she has to do and when she gets married her husband decides for her as if she does not have her own wish.

Today also in city like Delhi where laws and order are better than any city in INDIA when a girl goes out from her house on every crossing she has to face many eyes staring at her and many dirty comments which she just listen and ignores due to fear .My concern is why all this we do to a girl?Is she born to live like this.Why can't we give her the respect she deserves like men in the society.

It is true that due to the fear of such unwanted attention and hideous characters around that makes the parents be more protective of their daughters, but I think empowering the girls by letting them become more confident and helping learn self-defense techniques should be preferred way of choice. Also, the fear of retribution against a woman who dares to oppose any kind of unsolicited attention towards her is a matter of serious conce3rn. Any woman who undergoes some kind of sexual, emotional harassment is the one who is blamed for the mishap and not the one who perpetrated the outrage against her. Often her own parents do not support. These things make her more and repressed and the criminals more bold and they often go scot free without any fear of law and order.[/quote]

I agree that the harassed and victimized woman is blamed more for mishap and not the one who perpetrated the outrage against her. this is owing to double standards of society on chastity for women and men. The society wants every woman to be chaste and there is no such restriction on men. A man does not lose anything if he indulges in relation with any women before or after marriage. But a woman is considered 'spoiled' even if she is slightly suspected of any such relation- voluntary or forced. It is more important to fight against such double standard. Who but women and their organizations can fight against such double moral social standards. If the battle for doing away with double standard on morality and chastity is successfully fought, the injustice against women will end. This will enable women like men to move freely without bothering so much about 'chastity'.

That's what i too see the major problem with the society they point fingure towards a female easily and leave a male for the same thing.Its an irony that if a rape happens to be with a girl them somewhere a girl is also blammed for it why she was out of home in the night or why she wore that type of clothes which just motivated a culprit.This is all non sense.Is it so that girls have to do things as per what others like and they don't like :( .I live in DELHI and i do see many time boys just passing filthy taunts to a girl and a girl just keeping her head down and ignoring those bad taunts. :( And when the girl reaches to his house and tell the incident to her family members they too just ignore it and just react as if nothing has happened. :( Why is it so people do that? Is a girl born to bear all this?Or do we may such a mentality that we can do any thing with them and can escape?I think our law has to do something for it and should be more strict for the people who do this so that people may think twice to do anything like this. :)

That's what i too see the major problem with the society they point fingure towards a female easily and leave a male for the same thing.Its an irony that if a rape happens to be with a girl them somewhere a girl is also blammed for it why she was out of home in the night or why she wore that type of clothes which just motivated a culprit.This is all non sense.Is it so that girls have to do things as per what others like and they don't like :( .I live in DELHI and i do see many time boys just passing filthy taunts to a girl and a girl just keeping her head down and ignoring those bad taunts. :( And when the girl reaches to his house and tell the incident to her family members they too just ignore it and just react as if nothing has happened. :( Why is it so people do that? Is a girl born to bear all this?Or do we may such a mentality that we can do any thing with them and can escape?I think our law has to do something for it and should be more strict for the people who do this so that people may think twice to do anything like this. :)

The glaring fact is that woman is victimized by double standard of society in matter of morality, chastity etc. It can also be well understood that it is women as a class, who suffer. Hence, it is women who need to fight for removing double social standard. If women bodies take lead, just minded men will also actively support. Hopelessly, now the stress is only on making law against rape, eve teasing etc more strict. There is no emphasis on changing the social mind set. We need a mental revolution that only women bodies can bring about. One way is that they should collectively tease and humiliate the men who live in immorality. The women need be more aggressive for their right to equal treatment in all matters. There is no reason why there be different yardstick for men and women on matter like sex, drink, smoking, dress etc.

All OK.But why women does not respond to the over exploitation of them by media?Don't you see in advertisements for men , women are coming!In bike advertisement women are used to gather attention.Don't it make a non sense?

All OK.But why women does not respond to the over exploitation of them by media?Don't you see in advertisements for men , women are coming!In bike advertisement women are used to gather attention.Don't it make a non sense?

There is another aspect of women exploitation. The women in modelling industry consider this as an opportunity for making money least considering overall impact on status of women in general. This sort of women modelling will continue as long as males dominate economically. These advertisements are for attracting men. However, when women become more economically dominant and consumer, males may have to model to satisfy the female consumers.

All OK.But why women does not respond to the over exploitation of them by media?Don't you see in advertisements for men , women are coming!In bike advertisement women are used to gather attention.Don't it make a non sense?

There is another aspect of women exploitation. The women in modelling industry consider this as an opportunity for making money least considering overall impact on status of women in general. This sort of women modelling will continue as long as males dominate economically. These advertisements are for attracting men. However, when women become more economically dominant and consumer, males may have to model to satisfy the female consumers.

right Gulshanji...But in saree advertisements ladies are there.If it is Dhothi's advertisement there also ladies!!!

[quote]Abid Areacode wrote:
All OK.But why women does not respond to the over exploitation of them by media?Don't you see in advertisements for men , women are coming!In bike advertisement women are used to gather attention.Don't it make a non sense?


There is another aspect of women exploitation. The women in modelling industry consider this as an opportunity for making money least considering overall impact on status of women in general. This sort of women modelling will continue as long as males dominate economically. These advertisements are for attracting men. However, when women become more economically dominant and consumer, males may have to model to satisfy the female consumers. [/quote]

That's another very important aspect Abid! But like Gulshan has explained so clearly, it is all about the economics of the industry that is completely dominated by male population. Women, as long as they are seen as a commodity for selling any types of goods, such advertisements will be the norm of the day.
Right now, the consumer market is totally dominated by males, even though now most women are educated and financially independent, the decisions about spending money on buying household necessities are still controlled by men, so most ads are targeted towards making them appealing for men, not women!

All OK.But why women does not respond to the over exploitation of them by media?Don't you see in advertisements for men , women are coming!In bike advertisement women are used to gather attention.Don't it make a non sense?

There is another aspect of women exploitation. The women in modelling industry consider this as an opportunity for making money least considering overall impact on status of women in general. This sort of women modelling will continue as long as males dominate economically. These advertisements are for attracting men. However, when women become more economically dominant and consumer, males may have to model to satisfy the female consumers.

right Gulshanji...But in saree advertisements ladies are there.If it is Dhothi's advertisement there also ladies!!!

Hi Abid i don't see it anything bad with it.Those girls who do modelling for the ads of bike is by their choice there is no compulsion and for that they are paid for too.

Exploitation is when they are forced to do something against their wish. :)

Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members.

Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members.

No doubt if we see the ad of men's undrewear on TV with family is embarasing when girls giggling seeing a men wearing it but as you said its part of advertising startegy. :) And i think its not an issue as far as girls with their own wish do it and are paid for it.There are certainly many things which even men do which they should not do but actually do for money to live. :)

I don't feel anything wrong with it what's wrong is that censor board to be alert enough to censor those things which they know are vulgar and should not be shown on national telecast. :)

[quote]Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members. [/quote]

Yes, indeed its funny but the fun is all on the women! And like Sanjeev has stated above, the ads are done by all those women by their own choice, but where it comes to choosing the ads for themselves, do they really have a choice? If a girl decides to refuse an ad for a say, Jockey men's underwear, does she stand a chance to get another ad? No! because there is always going to another woman who will agree to do so in her place, and the economics of the industry are that women are left with little choice. Unless it changes, the present format remains, portraying women as a device to sell anything and everything.

[quote]Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members.

Yes, indeed its funny but the fun is all on the women! And like Sanjeev has stated above, the ads are done by all those women by their own choice, but where it comes to choosing the ads for themselves, do they really have a choice? If a girl decides to refuse an ad for a say, Jockey men's underwear, does she stand a chance to get another ad? No! because there is always going to another woman who will agree to do so in her place, and the economics of the industry are that women are left with little choice. Unless it changes, the present format remains, portraying women as a device to sell anything and everything.[/quote]

That's right Kalyani there is always another girl standing in the queue if someone denies for the job. :( Present format is like there are many ads like of shaving cream too whats the meaning of showing girls in it but they show and people too like it.Consider an advertisement of fair and lovely for women but in that men are shown but again its marketing startegy and to make an advertisement more catchy. :)

Hi Abid i don't see it anything bad with it.Those girls who do modelling for the ads of bike is by their choice there is no compulsion and for that they are paid for too.

Exploitation is when they are forced to do something against their wish. :)

You are absolutely right, Sanjeev. 50 years ago, women loved to stay at home and live like the shadow of her husband and look after her children. But now, she has changed. Now she is educated and is taking her own decisions. Also, most of them want to be glamorous and want to earn by selling themselves for advertisements. It's purely her choice. If she decides she won't do it, then no one can force her to do so.
Our country is famous for its culture and shyness of Indian women. When whole world loves Indian ladies for their simplicity and respect to her husband and family, she dreams about earning more and standing independent and hence she imitate western style to earn quick money exploiting herself.

[quote]Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members.

Yes, indeed its funny but the fun is all on the women! And like Sanjeev has stated above, the ads are done by all those women by their own choice, but where it comes to choosing the ads for themselves, do they really have a choice? If a girl decides to refuse an ad for a say, Jockey men's underwear, does she stand a chance to get another ad? No! because there is always going to another woman who will agree to do so in her place, and the economics of the industry are that women are left with little choice. Unless it changes, the present format remains, portraying women as a device to sell anything and everything.

That's right Kalyani there is always another girl standing in the queue if someone denies for the job. :( Present format is like there are many ads like of shaving cream too whats the meaning of showing girls in it but they show and people too like it.Consider an advertisement of fair and lovely for women but in that men are shown but again its marketing startegy and to make an advertisement more catchy. :)[/quote]
I think they can make it a little more catchy with little bit of extra effort. Being a marketing professional myself, I can suggest you to add spices to those shaving adverts. Want to know how? They would not only be more catchy but far more viewed ones too. And trust me there would be lots of girls willing to do them as well, but I bet you would always switch your TV set off.

[quote]Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members.

Yes, indeed its funny but the fun is all on the women! And like Sanjeev has stated above, the ads are done by all those women by their own choice, but where it comes to choosing the ads for themselves, do they really have a choice? If a girl decides to refuse an ad for a say, Jockey men's underwear, does she stand a chance to get another ad? No! because there is always going to another woman who will agree to do so in her place, and the economics of the industry are that women are left with little choice. Unless it changes, the present format remains, portraying women as a device to sell anything and everything.

That's right Kalyani there is always another girl standing in the queue if someone denies for the job. :( Present format is like there are many ads like of shaving cream too whats the meaning of showing girls in it but they show and people too like it.Consider an advertisement of fair and lovely for women but in that men are shown but again its marketing startegy and to make an advertisement more catchy. :)

I think they can make it a little more catchy with little bit of extra effort. Being a marketing professional myself, I can suggest you to add spices to those shaving adverts. Want to know how? They would not only be more catchy but far more viewed ones too. And trust me there would be lots of girls willing to do them as well, but I bet you would always switch your TV set off.[/quote]

I know they can make it more catchy by being more innovative. :)

No need to bet as i don't watch those ads :) .But of course there are many people in this world too unlike me and you who like to see those ads and buy products by seeing it.Its not me and you its particular population who get inspired by these ads and who knows manufacturers are happy to target that particular section. :laugh:

I have not quoted my views yet, even after the discussion has already progressed to its second stage.
Abid's question is
"Does Woman get empowered by current methods? What are the practical methods of women empowerment ? "

My answer is of course yes though all are not getting its true benefits. Most ladies are unaware of many of laws provided in Indian constitution. I would like to say, they are not properly utilizing them in a better way.
Best example is my neighbour...a lady of about 40 years just opposite to my present residence. Her kids are studying in plus two or so. Both her husband and mother-in-law treat her in a bad way. Both of them even beat her and close doors against her at night and she often sleeps in the terrace. If quarrel occurs, they won't even allow her to take food from kitchen.
It was just 1-2 months passed we came here, when I came to knew about the problems of this house. It was one night around 7.30 pm she came to my house. My husband has not arrived yet. She told me her problems. Her latest problem was that she gave a complaint to Vanitha commission against her husband and mother-in-law and some how, both people came to know about it. For the past 3 days, she was not allowed to get inside the home and they want her to take back that complaint, if she wants to stay there. :(
I was really shocked and felt sad that I can't help her any way. She asked me, whether she has done anything wrong......She also showed me some healed wounds in her hands.
I said, "definitely no". I also asked her, why she is tolerating it for past 20 years.
She is saying, she can go to her home and stay with her younger sister and family. But they make bad stories about her and brother-in-law. So, she is staying here tolerating all these. :(

Actually, I had no words to comfort her even though I want so. After sometime, she left my home and went to another person's house. Her husband was still standing at door waiting for her :(

2 days later, I heard, she take back her complaint from Vanitha commission. Was she right????? I don't think so.
So laws are there...but only a few people are making use of it.

I have not quoted my views yet, even after the discussion has already progressed to its second stage.
Abid's question is
"Does Woman get empowered by current methods? What are the practical methods of women empowerment ? "

My answer is of course yes though all are not getting its true benefits. Most ladies are unaware of many of laws provided in Indian constitution. I would like to say, they are not properly utilizing them in a better way.
Best example is my neighbour...a lady of about 40 years just opposite to my present residence. Her kids are studying in plus two or so. Both her husband and mother-in-law treat her in a bad way. Both of them even beat her and close doors against her at night and she often sleeps in the terrace. If quarrel occurs, they won't even allow her to take food from kitchen.
It was just 1-2 months passed we came here, when I came to knew about the problems of this house. It was one night around 7.30 pm she came to my house. My husband has not arrived yet. She told me her problems. Her latest problem was that she gave a complaint to Vanitha commission against her husband and mother-in-law and some how, both people came to know about it. For the past 3 days, she was not allowed to get inside the home and they want her to take back that complaint, if she wants to stay there. :(
I was really shocked and felt sad that I can't help her any way. She asked me, whether she has done anything wrong......She also showed me some healed wounds in her hands.
I said, "definitely no". I also asked her, why she is tolerating it for past 20 years.
She is saying, she can go to her home and stay with her younger sister and family. But they make bad stories about her and brother-in-law. So, she is staying here tolerating all these. :(

Actually, I had no words to comfort her even though I want so. After sometime, she left my home and went to another person's house. Her husband was still standing at door waiting for her :(

2 days later, I heard, she take back her complaint from Vanitha commission. Was she right????? I don't think so.
So laws are there...but only a few people are making use of it.

That is sad there are many more women in the country who face this from their inlaws and her husband. :(
That is the problem many women know where they have to complain about the exploitation but they fear of what will happen if they don't take any action they would further be in more mess. :(
I know one of my maid who comes to my house once she was telling her story to my wife that her husband daily beats her and takes money from her whatever she earns and spend it for his drinking.But when my wife asks why don't she complains it to POLICE she said no she don't want to lose her husband she said its difficult for a woman to live alone.She is happy staying with him even though he beats her. :(

That is sad there are many more women in the country who face this from their inlaws and her husband. :(
That is the problem many women know where they have to complain about the exploitation but they fear of what will happen if they don't take any action they would further be in more mess. :(
I know one of my maid who comes to my house once she was telling her story to my wife that her husband daily beats her and takes money from her whatever she earns and spend it for his drinking.But when my wife asks why don't she complains it to POLICE she said no she don't want to lose her husband she said its difficult for a woman to live alone.She is happy staying with him even though he beats her. :(

Of course, a very big truth.....
Men always have the feeling that she won't leave him at any stage and that she can't live alone. Many women also think so. That's why many of those laws can't be implemented properly in our country....It may be because, parents always teach their girls to tolerate everything and never return to father's home....as it's against Indian culture. Girls also have the feeling that her parents are right. Men make use of this situation in a better way and he exploits her.

But, in most case, we see women of small families...(poor families) are facing such problems most. Why is it so? Can anyone give suitable explanation???

Absolutely, that is one funny side of the market. This makes no sense while we see an advert of innerwear for men, carried, out by female in most ridiculous way. I am sure it would be the result if they used male models for displaying ladies garment’s adverts done by their male counterparts.
I do not understand the reason, there is no sense at all and this is high time they knew better than that and knew the right kind of strategy for marketing. Women certainly are not an ‘item’, which should be used to show an advert of male shoes in different fancy ways. Her dignity is more important than what we see in today's media world. This is really so embarrassing to view some adverts while sitting with family members.

The reason of women models for men's as well as women's products is that men are the main earners and it is they who but the items for the whole family. Even women products are bought by men. hence, the advertisement are to please men. So, female models are used. If women become more economically strong and they take decision to buy products for family, male models would be used for even women's products. This will be to satisfy the economically strong women.

The key to most women problems is to make them economically independent and strong and also to creates more social awareness for removing gender discrimination in all walks of life- neither favoring men nor women.

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That's right Kalyani there is always another girl standing in the queue if someone denies for the job. Present format is like there are many ads like of shaving cream too whats the meaning of showing girls in it but they show and people too like it.Consider an advertisement of fair and lovely for women but in that men are shown but again its marketing startegy and to make an advertisement more catchy. [/quote]

Its more about a little psychology here! Showing beautiful women swooning around men who shave their faces with a particular brand of shaving cream makes the men feel more confident and in a dominant role, in short they feel like a man who makes the difference, this is why most ads feature women in roles that only seem to please and appease menfolk. and since male domination is everywhere, such ads work quite well and there is no way an admaker will resort to otherwise!