Hello friends, Here is the topic for discussion of this week.
Today is the International Women's day. A number of programs are going on rel;ated to this in various parts of world. Still women have a lot of experiences of gender discrimination.
So this weeks discussion is on :
Does Woman get empowered by current methods? What are the practical methods of women empowerment ?
As usual to be eligible to earn 50 points, you have to post a minimum of 3 valid replies and please bear in mind, the replies should not be posted one after another but as a response to others' replies and to reiterate your point. Remember this is a DISCUSSION, not essay-writing.
The winner gets Rs 50 plus 50 points and the runner-up gets Rs 25 plus 50 points.
Like the previous discussions, hope that this one too gets immense response especially from lady comrades of Boddunan and keeps the forums alive!!! All the best!
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But i think she is totally responsible for the situation in which she is in because she never asked her husband to share the household responsibility.Had she talked about this may be she would not have been in the situation she is in. [/quote]
Yes, this is very true, the women are so keyed up and psyched about their roles around house that they do not ask for or let the men share their chores around house. but, Thankfully, most men are now sharing responsibilities very well and sharing in the cooking chores and looking after children etc.
But i think she is totally responsible for the situation in which she is in because she never asked her husband to share the household responsibility.Had she talked about this may be she would not have been in the situation she is in. [/quote]
Yes, this is very true, the women are so keyed up and psyched about their roles around house that they do not ask for or let the men share their chores around house. but, Thankfully, most men are now sharing responsibilities very well and sharing in the cooking chores and looking after children etc.
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But i think she is totally responsible for the situation in which she is in because she never asked her husband to share the household responsibility.Had she talked about this may be she would not have been in the situation she is in.
Yes, this is very true, the women are so keyed up and psyched about their roles around house that they do not ask for or let the men share their chores around house. but, Thankfully, most men are now sharing responsibilities very well and sharing in the cooking chores and looking after children etc.[/quote]
Hi Kalyani i do understand it that's why i help out my wife in the household chores though i don't know cooking but i normally look after the kids while my wife does the household chores. :) My wife is not a working woman but as we have twin kids of aged 3 years so it is a problem for her to look after the kids together and i understand it so i do support her. :) But still there are people who raise their eyebrows seeing me doing the things which are supposed to be done by a woman traditionally but who cares i still do which i feel i should do let them think anything. :)
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Hi Kalyani i do understand it that's why i help out my wife in the household chores though i don't know cooking but i normally look after the kids while my wife does the household chores. :) My wife is not a working woman but as we have twin kids of aged 3 years so it is a problem for her to look after the kids together and i understand it so i do support her. :) But still there are people who raise their eyebrows seeing me doing the things which are supposed to be done by a woman traditionally but who cares i still do which i feel i should do let them think anything. :)
Hi Sanjeev I must go allover again and see the position in small towns and villages. Yes you are right I am so used to see from the specs of a Banglorian or big city people that I can not see people who act like what you have described. You see I am surrounded by people who would dare not make such activities. They simply can not afford to expect their wives to cook when they come from their jobs. They must either get an equal share or men folk must be ready to face the consequences. But yes I agree with you that this is the scenario in some places where the women have not yet known their rights. The day is not far when we all shall have to learn our lesson. I am glad for you you did it rather at the right time. You are safe. :P
Friends,
Still we have not reached the second part of the discussion.What are the practical methods for women empowerment?
Dear Abid, I started the day with a few suggestions for the same. I think this would not be wrong to put the link here about my thoughts in this matter-
http://www.boddunan.com/people-a-places/54-Social%20Life/19168-women-have-every-right-to-stand-tall-in-the-society.html
@Abid
As far as I understand taking practical measures lies to a great extent in the the sphere of governmental agencies and social organizations. It is clear enough from the rising graph crimes against women and unequal response of society to thesecrimes. Unless we ensure a relatively crime-free environment for our women,how can we expect them to come out and roam free to pursue their career goals towards economic empowerment and consequent emancipation. We must have separate courts for trying crimes against women.We need to have separate police stations run by women. We have to focus on their education,phsical defense,vocational training et al.
As far as I understand taking practical measures lies to a great extent in the the sphere of governmental agencies and social organizations. It is clear enough from the rising graph crimes against women and unequal response of society to thesecrimes. Unless we ensure a relatively crime-free environment for our women,how can we expect them to come out and roam free to pursue their career goals towards economic empowerment and consequent emancipation. We must have separate courts for trying crimes against women.We need to have separate police stations run by women. We have to focus on their education,phsical defense,vocational training et al.
[quote]Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
But i think she is totally responsible for the situation in which she is in because she never asked her husband to share the household responsibility.Had she talked about this may be she would not have been in the situation she is in.
Yes, this is very true, the women are so keyed up and psyched about their roles around house that they do not ask for or let the men share their chores around house. but, Thankfully, most men are now sharing responsibilities very well and sharing in the cooking chores and looking after children etc.
Hi Kalyani i do understand it that's why i help out my wife in the household chores though i don't know cooking but i normally look after the kids while my wife does the household chores. My wife is not a working woman but as we have twin kids of aged 3 years so it is a problem for her to look after the kids together and i understand it so i do support her. But still there are people who raise their eyebrows seeing me doing the things which are supposed to be done by a woman traditionally but who cares i still do which i feel i should do let them think anything. [/quote]
Hi Sanjeev, that's really sweet of you, I wish more and more men understand and help out their wives and mothers in the same manner. My husband too helps me a lot around the house and what's more, every morning when I am busy with cooking and other chores, he has taken full responsibility of waking my son, getting him ready for school and drops him off to school. He also helps me in cooking a little bit, as much as he can when required. I have also taught him to roll out and roast rotis should need ever arise :evil: ha ha ha. Anyway, that has made my life very very easy!
But i think she is totally responsible for the situation in which she is in because she never asked her husband to share the household responsibility.Had she talked about this may be she would not have been in the situation she is in.
Yes, this is very true, the women are so keyed up and psyched about their roles around house that they do not ask for or let the men share their chores around house. but, Thankfully, most men are now sharing responsibilities very well and sharing in the cooking chores and looking after children etc.
Hi Kalyani i do understand it that's why i help out my wife in the household chores though i don't know cooking but i normally look after the kids while my wife does the household chores. My wife is not a working woman but as we have twin kids of aged 3 years so it is a problem for her to look after the kids together and i understand it so i do support her. But still there are people who raise their eyebrows seeing me doing the things which are supposed to be done by a woman traditionally but who cares i still do which i feel i should do let them think anything. [/quote]
Hi Sanjeev, that's really sweet of you, I wish more and more men understand and help out their wives and mothers in the same manner. My husband too helps me a lot around the house and what's more, every morning when I am busy with cooking and other chores, he has taken full responsibility of waking my son, getting him ready for school and drops him off to school. He also helps me in cooking a little bit, as much as he can when required. I have also taught him to roll out and roast rotis should need ever arise :evil: ha ha ha. Anyway, that has made my life very very easy!
[quote]@Abid
As far as I understand taking practical measures lies to a great extent in the the sphere of governmental agencies and social organizations. It is clear enough from the rising graph crimes against women and unequal response of society to thesecrimes. Unless we ensure a relatively crime-free environment for our women,how can we expect them to come out and roam free to pursue their career goals towards economic empowerment and consequent emancipation. We must have separate courts for trying crimes against women.We need to have separate police stations run by women. We have to focus on their education,phsical defense,vocational training et al. [/quote]
@Chinmoy, I agree totally! There are actually many areas where there are special facilities or provisions made for women but lack of empathy and enforcement agencies do not let women avail those facilities peacefully. Eg., in Pune, in all the PMPML buses run by corporation, all the right hand side seats of the bus are reserved for women, but are occupied mostly by men and when the women who are standing ask them to vacate the seats, these men try to bully them and further humiliate them with snide remarks regarding equality of gender and reservation etc. Most women to avoid public embarassment choose to simply stand and travel. Even women traveling with babies in their arms, pregnant, old women are not spared. I myself have undergone this scenario whenever I had to travel with my little son. The conductor and driver of the bus do not come to the women's rescue since they could easily force the men to give up their seats, but either they choose to look the other way of they simply join in the humiliation of the woman who tries to fight against this.
Which is why I think full emancipation and empowerment of women will never be possible unless there are serious government agencies in place to ensure that the w2omen get all the facilities and help that are established for their sake.
Another important aspect that is much ignored is the lack of public sanitation facilities for women. Men's public toilets are no issue, but lack of women's toilets make life miserable for many. Especially women like police constables, traveling saleswomen etc. who have to be on their feet the whole day. Life is especially difficult for them during their monthly times when they cannot even change every few hours due to lack of clean and hygienic facilities. This gives rise to many diseases and health problems. This is a very very serious issue that should be addressed on an immediate basis.
When women are faced with so many grave issues, with threat to their life and health being the first and foremost concern, how can one think that true empowerment will become a reality??
As far as I understand taking practical measures lies to a great extent in the the sphere of governmental agencies and social organizations. It is clear enough from the rising graph crimes against women and unequal response of society to thesecrimes. Unless we ensure a relatively crime-free environment for our women,how can we expect them to come out and roam free to pursue their career goals towards economic empowerment and consequent emancipation. We must have separate courts for trying crimes against women.We need to have separate police stations run by women. We have to focus on their education,phsical defense,vocational training et al. [/quote]
@Chinmoy, I agree totally! There are actually many areas where there are special facilities or provisions made for women but lack of empathy and enforcement agencies do not let women avail those facilities peacefully. Eg., in Pune, in all the PMPML buses run by corporation, all the right hand side seats of the bus are reserved for women, but are occupied mostly by men and when the women who are standing ask them to vacate the seats, these men try to bully them and further humiliate them with snide remarks regarding equality of gender and reservation etc. Most women to avoid public embarassment choose to simply stand and travel. Even women traveling with babies in their arms, pregnant, old women are not spared. I myself have undergone this scenario whenever I had to travel with my little son. The conductor and driver of the bus do not come to the women's rescue since they could easily force the men to give up their seats, but either they choose to look the other way of they simply join in the humiliation of the woman who tries to fight against this.
Which is why I think full emancipation and empowerment of women will never be possible unless there are serious government agencies in place to ensure that the w2omen get all the facilities and help that are established for their sake.
Another important aspect that is much ignored is the lack of public sanitation facilities for women. Men's public toilets are no issue, but lack of women's toilets make life miserable for many. Especially women like police constables, traveling saleswomen etc. who have to be on their feet the whole day. Life is especially difficult for them during their monthly times when they cannot even change every few hours due to lack of clean and hygienic facilities. This gives rise to many diseases and health problems. This is a very very serious issue that should be addressed on an immediate basis.
When women are faced with so many grave issues, with threat to their life and health being the first and foremost concern, how can one think that true empowerment will become a reality??
@Kalyani
What you have portrayed is the scenario in general and it has to be kept in mind that Pune is almost a metro as far my knowledge goes. If the situation could be like this, one can form an opinion about the true situation prevailing in rural and semi-rural areas. In fact, I still can't forget the terror-stricken faces of women at bust stands in New Delhi after dusk!
What you have portrayed is the scenario in general and it has to be kept in mind that Pune is almost a metro as far my knowledge goes. If the situation could be like this, one can form an opinion about the true situation prevailing in rural and semi-rural areas. In fact, I still can't forget the terror-stricken faces of women at bust stands in New Delhi after dusk!
[quote]@Kalyani
What you have portrayed is the scenario in general and it has to be kept in mind that Pune is almost a metro as far my knowledge goes. If the situation could be like this, one can form an opinion about the true situation prevailing in rural and semi-rural areas. In fact, I still can't forget the terror-stricken faces of women at bust stands in New Delhi after dusk! [/quote]
You are right Chinmoy, Pune is a metropolis on the way to become a megapolis, but it is still miserable in so many aspects, until now at least it is much safer for women than in New Delhi, but it can soon turn into a nightmare in that aspect also. If conditions are like this in a city like Pune, we can safely assume that they are more or less the same everywhere!
What you have portrayed is the scenario in general and it has to be kept in mind that Pune is almost a metro as far my knowledge goes. If the situation could be like this, one can form an opinion about the true situation prevailing in rural and semi-rural areas. In fact, I still can't forget the terror-stricken faces of women at bust stands in New Delhi after dusk! [/quote]
You are right Chinmoy, Pune is a metropolis on the way to become a megapolis, but it is still miserable in so many aspects, until now at least it is much safer for women than in New Delhi, but it can soon turn into a nightmare in that aspect also. If conditions are like this in a city like Pune, we can safely assume that they are more or less the same everywhere!
All OK.But why women does not respond to the over exploitation of them by media?Don't you see in advertisements for men , women are coming!In bike advertisement women are used to gather attention.Don't it make a non sense?
Now, we are living in a visual world and such advertisements are targeting the youth. That's why women are used in such ads.
Many women associations are responding to such exploitations. But it won't come into effect until women race feel they are being exploited by men and used in ads to sell their products.
About 15 years ago, when Miss.World contest was conducted in India, many of the organizations come forward to boycott that event in India. But it brought only shame to our country in front of world media. Isn't it?
[quote]@Kalyani
What you have portrayed is the scenario in general and it has to be kept in mind that Pune is almost a metro as far my knowledge goes. If the situation could be like this, one can form an opinion about the true situation prevailing in rural and semi-rural areas. In fact, I still can't forget the terror-stricken faces of women at bust stands in New Delhi after dusk!
You are right Chinmoy, Pune is a metropolis on the way to become a megapolis, but it is still miserable in so many aspects, until now at least it is much safer for women than in New Delhi, but it can soon turn into a nightmare in that aspect also. If conditions are like this in a city like Pune, we can safely assume that they are more or less the same everywhere![/quote]
That's right New Delhi is not a safer place for a woman alone at night anymore.We have seen lot of instances in Delhi against a woman at night :unsure :angry: .And its true i live in Delhi i too have observed it during late evening people just kill a lonely woman if she is alone they don't even hesitate to comment absurd things recently it has been difficult for women to travell in late hours from work place to home. :(
Government needa to take some measures and reinforced them so that people should not pass those dirty comments.
Moreover there should be some agency which should be more active during the late hours who can monitor more on those people. :)
Personally i always think those women who frequently come to home in late hours must learn how to defense themselves when stuck in any adverse situation.
Recently i saw in Crime petrol how a girl was raped when she was coming back from work place to home from Dwarka as only mistake she did is taken lift from an unknown person.I think that incident would not have happened if she did not took lift from that man.May be this awareness itself among women can avoid many such bad incidents. :)
The biggest offence against women is rape particularly gang rape. The latest event is gang rape of a bar employee in Haryana.
While there is need to change the mindset that stigmatizes the raped woman rather than the man, very strict measures must be taken to prevent such inhuman crime. One way is to immediately seize the vehicle and other things used in crime. Mostly, rape is in moving car. In such cases, vehicle should be immediately seized and ultimately confiscated. Driving licence and pass port of the offenders should also be similarly seized.
While there is need to change the mindset that stigmatizes the raped woman rather than the man, very strict measures must be taken to prevent such inhuman crime. One way is to immediately seize the vehicle and other things used in crime. Mostly, rape is in moving car. In such cases, vehicle should be immediately seized and ultimately confiscated. Driving licence and pass port of the offenders should also be similarly seized.
@Sanjeev..
Some days before I saw such a case in TV.
Two familes, neighbours so close.....The girl treats that boy as her elder brother.....so do her family.
After some celebration, her family send her along with that boy to her home.... i.e. The boy dropped her.
But when the parents returned, they saw her dead body, she was rapped and killed by that boy, whom she calls 'Bhayya'. Till now, the parents feel guilty of themselves that they have send her along with a person, whom they believe most.
Now...even persons who are very close can't be believed.
What to say more? Perhaps Abid knows about 3-4 cases reported in our 100% literacy state. I am really feeling ashamed to tell so.
In all these cases.....the crime was done by none other than father himself and all girls are below 15.
So, girls are not secure in her family itself.
Let me quote one of them happened just before 3 months. Father left mother of a girl when she was below 5 years old. He returned just 5 months before, after 10-15 years. Not only did he molest her, but also give her to his elder brother and his son.
One case reported from Thiruvananthapuram before 6 months.....girl is just 12 years or so. Her mother knows everything. But she kept quiet till that girl was admitted to government hospital after some days.
How many similar cases reported.......in the past few years!
So, a girl has to be vigilant not only from strangers, but also from her own family members.
Some days before I saw such a case in TV.
Two familes, neighbours so close.....The girl treats that boy as her elder brother.....so do her family.
After some celebration, her family send her along with that boy to her home.... i.e. The boy dropped her.
But when the parents returned, they saw her dead body, she was rapped and killed by that boy, whom she calls 'Bhayya'. Till now, the parents feel guilty of themselves that they have send her along with a person, whom they believe most.
Now...even persons who are very close can't be believed.
What to say more? Perhaps Abid knows about 3-4 cases reported in our 100% literacy state. I am really feeling ashamed to tell so.
In all these cases.....the crime was done by none other than father himself and all girls are below 15.
So, girls are not secure in her family itself.
Let me quote one of them happened just before 3 months. Father left mother of a girl when she was below 5 years old. He returned just 5 months before, after 10-15 years. Not only did he molest her, but also give her to his elder brother and his son.
One case reported from Thiruvananthapuram before 6 months.....girl is just 12 years or so. Her mother knows everything. But she kept quiet till that girl was admitted to government hospital after some days.
How many similar cases reported.......in the past few years!
So, a girl has to be vigilant not only from strangers, but also from her own family members.
@Sanjeev..
Some days before I saw such a case in TV.
Two familes, neighbours so close.....The girl treats that boy as her elder brother.....so do her family.
After some celebration, her family send her along with that boy to her home.... i.e. The boy dropped her.
But when the parents returned, they saw her dead body, she was rapped and killed by that boy, whom she calls 'Bhayya'. Till now, the parents feel guilty of themselves that they have send her along with a person, whom they believe most.
Now...even persons who are very close can't be believed.
What to say more? Perhaps Abid knows about 3-4 cases reported in our 100% literacy state. I am really feeling ashamed to tell so.
In all these cases.....the crime was done by none other than father himself and all girls are below 15.
So, girls are not secure in her family itself.
Let me quote one of them happened just before 3 months. Father left mother of a girl when she was below 5 years old. He returned just 5 months before, after 10-15 years. Not only did he molest her, but also give her to his elder brother and his son.
One case reported from Thiruvananthapuram before 6 months.....girl is just 12 years or so. Her mother knows everything. But she kept quiet till that girl was admitted to government hospital after some days.
How many similar cases reported.......in the past few years!
So, a girl has to be vigilant not only from strangers, but also from her own family members.
Rape in own family by brother or even father is most heinous. The family is liable to up bring children. Possibly, the girls are helpless to protect themselves. In such cases, neighbors and women organization need be more vigilant and active. Rape by step father is more likely. There need be special cell in police to monitor such cases and protect the helpless girls.
The biggest offence against women is rape particularly gang rape. The latest event is gang rape of a bar employee in Haryana.
While there is need to change the mindset that stigmatizes the raped woman rather than the man, very strict measures must be taken to prevent such inhuman crime. One way is to immediately seize the vehicle and other things used in crime. Mostly, rape is in moving car. In such cases, vehicle should be immediately seized and ultimately confiscated. Driving licence and pass port of the offenders should also be similarly seized.
Yes i too heard of it today in the news but one thing which always come to my mind are we really modern these days that the girl was working as a bar attender? :unsure: .No the answer from my side too and i will say that we have modernised our self but our thinking is still what we had 25 years back. :(
I know this time too people will blame a girl and will say what the hell she was doing late night and there is always a risk when a girl does a job like this which she was doing :evil: and again they will forget about a situation of a girl which she now is going through after being gang raped by 6 people. :evil: :(
The biggest offence against women is rape particularly gang rape. The latest event is gang rape of a bar employee in Haryana.
While there is need to change the mindset that stigmatizes the raped woman rather than the man, very strict measures must be taken to prevent such inhuman crime. One way is to immediately seize the vehicle and other things used in crime. Mostly, rape is in moving car. In such cases, vehicle should be immediately seized and ultimately confiscated. Driving licence and pass port of the offenders should also be similarly seized.
Yes i too heard of it today in the news but one thing which always come to my mind are we really modern these days that the girl was working as a bar attender? :unsure: .No the answer from my side too and i will say that we have modernised our self but our thinking is still what we had 25 years back. :(
I know this time too people will blame a girl and will say what the hell she was doing late night and there is always a risk when a girl does a job like this which she was doing :evil: and again they will forget about a situation of a girl which she now is going through after being gang raped by 6 people. :evil: :(
Personally, I believe that if a prostitute has fundamental and basic right to protection against rape. There is no sense in saying that a girl working in pub or club has less right to dignity. Recently, an Anglo Indian woman was similarly gang raped in a moving four wheeler. even the chief Minister commented what she was doing late night and why she went to club and drink there.
Women organization have a big role. They must fight for justice for all women- housewives, working women and even call girls and prostitutes. The names of offenders should be publicized, their vehicles, driving license and passports confiscated.
@Gulshanji
Perhaps you were referring to the incident which took place in Kolkata and I made pointed to reference to that in one of my articles and the most shocking aspect of this incident was that the chief minister herself being a woman tried to gloss it over. It was through the determined efforts of another lady officer who heads the crime branch that people could know the truth!
Perhaps you were referring to the incident which took place in Kolkata and I made pointed to reference to that in one of my articles and the most shocking aspect of this incident was that the chief minister herself being a woman tried to gloss it over. It was through the determined efforts of another lady officer who heads the crime branch that people could know the truth!
Whenever an incident of rape is reported, the initial fingers are all raised against the woman, what the hell was she doing where the rape took place? Why was she out at night instead of being safely at home? etc etc. etc. Does it mean that a woman has no right to be alone somewhere during the late hours, forget that she may just be trying to earn decent money for her family, her own aspirations to be something in life that has made her work at those hours, even if she does want to go to a bar and have a drink, why is she being judged of being a loose character?/ :angry: :angry: :angry: and who are the judges of her character? those same men who keep their wives locked at homes and are out to ogle and leer at other women who happen to be conveniently just there for them to grope and if possible, rape?
Regarding the recent incident in Kolkata, Mamata Banerjee has simply gone down in my eyes, previously I held her in high esteem, now I just doubt whether she really aspires to raise women's status like she actually claims to!
We have had enough moral policing supposedly under the garb of protecting a woman's chastity, let women do their own policing and make their own choices. When a man can be allowed to indulge in whatever pleasures he wants to, just to prove his manhood, why cannot a woman simply choose to go to a bar or wear whatever clothes she wants without inviting attacks on her modesty! There has to be a stop to this and unless there is a fully dedicated women's police organization, it cannot happen!
Regarding the recent incident in Kolkata, Mamata Banerjee has simply gone down in my eyes, previously I held her in high esteem, now I just doubt whether she really aspires to raise women's status like she actually claims to!
We have had enough moral policing supposedly under the garb of protecting a woman's chastity, let women do their own policing and make their own choices. When a man can be allowed to indulge in whatever pleasures he wants to, just to prove his manhood, why cannot a woman simply choose to go to a bar or wear whatever clothes she wants without inviting attacks on her modesty! There has to be a stop to this and unless there is a fully dedicated women's police organization, it cannot happen!
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