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Since the exams for twelfth standard board have already started and the tenth board are looming just around the corner, I was thinking seriously about the frantic pace that these children and their parents have had to suffer from the moment the child enters ninth standard. That is when the preparations for achieving or rather, attempting to score 100% marks start! This also poses a serious question, is it all really necessary? Scoring a place in the merit in 10th or 12th guarantees a successful life later on???
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Are we producing a generation of burnt-out children?
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sandhya wrote,
But still a Dr.Amartyasen is there. But, if we are considering population of India, it should be at least in thousands. Isn't it? Same is the case of each and every field in India.
I think our Gurukula education is far far better than our present system. At least some students come out, who actually know the true meaning of education. Education is not just earning a certificate. All universities give moderation marks for students to pass. In SSLC, if he scores 10 marks out of 50, he will get moderation and will be declared 'pass'. Actually, will the student be benefited from this? I don't think so. A student should learn the subject to know about it, not to 'just pass' and continue further education. When his basement itself has not been well-built yet, how can he achieve more heights? Never possible at all.
yes, you are right. Dr Amartyasen is there. But consider the situation, lakhs of students are educated every year, but how many of them are getting the real education as it meant to be. one successful person among thousands or lakhs is not the success story of Indian eduction. the ratio must improve considerably.
But still a Dr.Amartyasen is there. But, if we are considering population of India, it should be at least in thousands. Isn't it? Same is the case of each and every field in India.
I think our Gurukula education is far far better than our present system. At least some students come out, who actually know the true meaning of education. Education is not just earning a certificate. All universities give moderation marks for students to pass. In SSLC, if he scores 10 marks out of 50, he will get moderation and will be declared 'pass'. Actually, will the student be benefited from this? I don't think so. A student should learn the subject to know about it, not to 'just pass' and continue further education. When his basement itself has not been well-built yet, how can he achieve more heights? Never possible at all.
yes, you are right. Dr Amartyasen is there. But consider the situation, lakhs of students are educated every year, but how many of them are getting the real education as it meant to be. one successful person among thousands or lakhs is not the success story of Indian eduction. the ratio must improve considerably.
Now the present India eduction system doesn't pay attention towards moral values. How you come to know about this incident. A student of class 7 or 9 has murdered his school teacher in Chennai. Look how pity the Indian education system is. The students don't gain the moral values what they are meant to know.
So friends all your views do converge to a frank admission that something is seriously wrong with your present system. As pragmatism demands moving up with times, we have to meet the demands of changing times in a manner and mode that makes a happy blend of both old and new.There ought to be a smooth transition.Swami Vivekananda laid great emphasis on Western body and Eastern thoughts. Obviously by "Western body" he was referring to all the technological progress and the robustness of physique of the Westerners but his faith in our mental strength was intact. We have to take full advantage of all the advanced technologies available to make strides in the field of education. We must strive to make it available to the last person at an affordable cost - not just for an elite class of people. Our value system inherited from our forefathers have to be revisited and re-cultivated.
Friends,
Thanks for all your valuable inputs.Here I wish to put some recent steps in education system.
Some one here mentioned about Santhininketan.The early system of education was Gurukula system.There a guru was there and Sisyas were residing with him for years and years still he feels that he had got "education".In that days they were studying the whole life through education , not bound in books.When technology grown up all things got focussed and similarly education converged to book system.The ultimate result was that when old education produced humans the current education produced book worms.
So we have to go back to old system with new technology implemented to go hand in hand with time.
Thanks for all your valuable inputs.Here I wish to put some recent steps in education system.
Some one here mentioned about Santhininketan.The early system of education was Gurukula system.There a guru was there and Sisyas were residing with him for years and years still he feels that he had got "education".In that days they were studying the whole life through education , not bound in books.When technology grown up all things got focussed and similarly education converged to book system.The ultimate result was that when old education produced humans the current education produced book worms.
So we have to go back to old system with new technology implemented to go hand in hand with time.
Earlier students used to by-heart their learnings since there were no books, also quoted some in leaves. So, they did it seriously and learnt everything that great men told. Also, science and technology were not subjects at that time and studies were concentrated more on moral stories and epics. At that time, people respect great men with education but now, people with high salary and job profile. Now, no one see the importance of great epics and how they can influence our character and life. Rather they prefer science books and google.
I think, all of us are deviating a little from the subject. Discussion started from parents and now we are discussing about education system of India only. Am I not right?
I think, all of us are deviating a little from the subject. Discussion started from parents and now we are discussing about education system of India only. Am I not right?
"Are we producing burnt out children?" was the GD topic.Here we discussed so far the education system that produce the burnt out children.
I think now two tyoes of children are produced from schools.One following the CBSE cyllubus has knowledge without skill while the other following state syllubus have skill without knowledge !!!
I think now two tyoes of children are produced from schools.One following the CBSE cyllubus has knowledge without skill while the other following state syllubus have skill without knowledge !!!
Hey Sandhya I agree with you that what now days is lacking is "balance" specially in our education system as earlier with education books at school people were getting things about our cultural, social life our past but know a days the themes of books had been changed. People are getting advance knowledge but not knowing about India's Past and their people.
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What I feel is that syllabus makes all the difference. Up to a certain level this is all right to learn all the subjects, later on while the child knows about basics of his culture, morals and history these should be limited to students who want a carrier in that particular subject. They should concentrate more o knowledge rather than lengthy memory tests of a student. Any one with a sharp memory can beat a brilliant student in this method. Besides the government's stand that reduces the chances of brighter ones is also making life tough and they are going all out to beat every one else. Therefore the present state of students leaving no stone unturned in order to find themselves in fray.
Earlier students used to by-heart their learnings since there were no books, also quoted some in leaves. So, they did it seriously and learnt everything that great men told. Also, science and technology were not subjects at that time and studies were concentrated more on moral stories and epics. At that time, people respect great men with education but now, people with high salary and job profile. Now, no one see the importance of great epics and how they can influence our character and life. Rather they prefer science books and google.
I think, all of us are deviating a little from the subject. Discussion started from parents and now we are discussing about education system of India only. Am I not right?
We may be deviating a bit from the main topic but the parents' mind set and education system are closely related to the main topic. The children are over worked and they have to unnecessarily face consequences of over ambition of their parents. There may be drawbacks in education system but this is common to all. In some respects, the less intelligent children of super rich parents are worst sufferers. Their poor intelligence does not enable them to study in higher professional colleges but their parents' contribution to capitation fee compels them to get higher education. They are frustrated in consequence.
The parents need to understand the potential of their children and not indulge in over expectation. The education system should be uniform for all- poor and rich. We need best professional and this is possible only if each child is enabled to grow according to his aptitude, interest and ability.
Earlier, some years back, professional courses were given by government organizations only, where students of pure merit (some reserved seats too) were only admitted. I think, we should return to that system of admission. If so, only qualified students will be able to become a good doctor or engineer. But it is not possible in present conditions.
Government itself is earning money through such private institutions. That's why they are approving more colleges. What's its after effects? More seats are there. So, more students are able to get those seats with less effort, if they have money in hand.
Before 10-15 years it was really difficult to get an engineering seat and those who get it were really brilliant. Earlier, minimum 50% should be needed for science subjects to write entrance exam. But now? I think, only just pass is needed. Not sure
Government itself is earning money through such private institutions. That's why they are approving more colleges. What's its after effects? More seats are there. So, more students are able to get those seats with less effort, if they have money in hand.
Before 10-15 years it was really difficult to get an engineering seat and those who get it were really brilliant. Earlier, minimum 50% should be needed for science subjects to write entrance exam. But now? I think, only just pass is needed. Not sure
Earlier, some years back, professional courses were given by government organizations only, where students of pure merit (some reserved seats too) were only admitted. I think, we should return to that system of admission. If so, only qualified students will be able to become a good doctor or engineer. But it is not possible in present conditions.
Government itself is earning money through such private institutions. That's why they are approving more colleges. What's its after effects? More seats are there. So, more students are able to get those seats with less effort, if they have money in hand.
Before 10-15 years it was really difficult to get an engineering seat and those who get it were really brilliant. Earlier, minimum 50% should be needed for science subjects to write entrance exam. But now? I think, only just pass is needed. Not sure
It is the policy of govt that decides this.But here the parents and children policy are the thing of discussion.Individually each parent should have a vision to make his child's dream filled.But it should not be by force or spoiling the childishness.
I am sure that my peer groups wish to go back to those childish school days.But the present generation when they reach fourtees will not chose such a thought as their school days were bitter.
There is bound to be a litlle deviation but we have to keep it in mind that here we are discussing an issue which has too many layers with deeper linkages and roots in our social and economic environment.Crisis in the field of education owes its origin to its utter neglect by the governments in the earlier decades of independence. A very small percentage of our budgetary allocation was there for education. As a result basic facilities were not created. If toady's parents are worried -it's because of lack of good schools imparting quality education. It's not schools are not available but good ones are less in numbers. I see either of the parents travelling afar with their kids to a school of their liking and the kid has to travel some 100 km a day!! Just think of it!!! Why can't improve and upgrade the local schools?
Coming to the topic, scoring good marks in 10th and 12th indirectly guarantees a successful life later on. Now a days, a successful life is based on the salary. So, parents are asking their children to work hard so that they can earn more in the future. Anyways, the students what they learn are not applying them in their work, so am not sure whether this can be termed as a successful life or career.
I think in a way free education has also spoiled the Indian eduction system. Now a days Government is providing free engineering and medical seat. so, the student doesn't know the real value of it. A student works hard to get the free seat, but after that he aims at completing the degree. Tats it. This happens in most cases.
Coming to the topic, scoring good marks in 10th and 12th indirectly guarantees a successful life later on. Now a days, a successful life is based on the salary. So, parents are asking their children to work hard so that they can earn more in the future. Anyways, the students what they learn are not applying them in their work, so am not sure whether this can be termed as a successful life or career.
I agree with this viewpoint. Success does not mean more money only. More money is indicator only. True success means job satisfaction that one gets only on a job that caters to his aptitude and interest. There are numerous jobs and topics for study. One will do best if correct choice is made. Choice made on money consideration or parents' false notion results only in damage to the society and individual.
But, very often, success marks only not count to get good jobs. It is a little bit of experience and practical knowledge too. Good marks will help students only to get admission in good colleges, but it won't guarantee them, that they will good job. In a private firm, one gets job, how he approach the interview. Here, his distinction marks may not always help him.
I know.....my husband's boss, he is regional head. Yet, he holds only a degree certificate. All that he gained is through his hard work and his ambition to grow, learning through experiences. So, I am telling that, gaining good marks is not as important as gaining knowledge or learning through experiences
I know.....my husband's boss, he is regional head. Yet, he holds only a degree certificate. All that he gained is through his hard work and his ambition to grow, learning through experiences. So, I am telling that, gaining good marks is not as important as gaining knowledge or learning through experiences
True education is not all about netting a cushy job,raising a family and ensuring all creatures comforts for oneself and the family. It must ensure development of a well-rounded personality, self-confidence and self-esteem, awareness of social responsiblities et al. An education with a narrow focus is no education at all. Thus we see frustration of a debilitating kind leading to increasing numbers of suicides amongst the students. What a tragedy - a student staking all in a certain percentage of marks overlooking the fact that life is too vast,too big and too beautiful to be enjoyed,experienced with an enlightened mind.
Coming to the topic, scoring good marks in 10th and 12th indirectly guarantees a successful life later on. Now a days, a successful life is based on the salary. So, parents are asking their children to work hard so that they can earn more in the future. Anyways, the students what they learn are not applying them in their work, so am not sure whether this can be termed as a successful life or career.
I agree with this viewpoint. Success does not mean more money only. More money is indicator only. True success means job satisfaction that one gets only on a job that caters to his aptitude and interest. There are numerous jobs and topics for study. One will do best if correct choice is made. Choice made on money consideration or parents' false notion results only in damage to the society and individual.
I agree that true success lies in job satisfaction. But now a days, only few people have that job satisfaction. Let me explain with an example. A person who has finished engineering in mechanical/ chemical or civil gets a job in IT industry. And in four years what he learnt in engineering he is not going to use it in his job. then how come he attains job satisfaction.
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I think most of the engineering courses are so. Same is the case of MBA professionals. They get work in banks or some financial institutions. But what they learnt is entirely different from what they are going to practice. Here, a degree offers them a path only, to join that firm. After that they have to work according to that company's morals and set of rules, also on a particular branch or product. Same is the case of IT too. What we learn from colleges is entirely different from those given in companies. Often, they are trained with new s/w to meet customer needs.
It happens in the case of almost every technical courses, I think so. It may not be applicable for medicinal courses. I can't comment anything on this, since I don't have any knowledge regarding medical subjects.
I think most of the engineering courses are so. Same is the case of MBA professionals. They get work in banks or some financial institutions. But what they learnt is entirely different from what they are going to practice. Here, a degree offers them a path only, to join that firm. After that they have to work according to that company's morals and set of rules, also on a particular branch or product. Same is the case of IT too. What we learn from colleges is entirely different from those given in companies. Often, they are trained with new s/w to meet customer needs.
It happens in the case of almost every technical courses, I think so. It may not be applicable for medicinal courses. I can't comment anything on this, since I don't have any knowledge regarding medical subjects.
Theory and practice are two different issues. In India some professional courses are designed in such manner that these are a little biased in favour of theory.As it is absolutely necessary for knowledge to be grounded in theory but the applied part of it deserves to be accorded equal importance.But the scenario was very different even 50 years back. The other day I was going through a book written by Buddhadev Dasgupta - a noted sarod maestro and a brilliant mechanical engineer. In the said book he was relating his experiences of a practical test conducted by his British teacher who was a tough one and he expected his students to detect the faults of a machine by hearing different sounds produced by it!
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