Group Discussion Contest - 25th February to 2nd March!

Talking about quantum jump in IQ about which some members have chosen to go gaga. I frankly feel unconvinced! With all talk of significant improvement in this regard,I have a very simple question here. Have we produced a scientist like the calibre of Dr J.C.Bose,Professor S.N.Bose,C.V.Raman in the last sixty years? A Ramanujam? Another Rabindra Nath Tagore? What is the scenario of higher education. A UNESCO research reveals poor standing of India vis-a-vis China in production of original scholarly papers. Not a single Indian univarsity figures in the top 100 universities of the world. So what this rat race has produced? A boneless wonder!!!

Unless the Indian Education system is changed, this scenario will continue. The students work hard, they toil a lot, but what about the understanding capacity of the students? Its a big question mark. The students study hard, the parents are making them to do so, only for one reason. That's to score marks. The parents and teachers don't care whether the student has understood the subject or not. In tenth the parents want their child to score good marks for taking A or B ( Biology or computer science) groups in the higher secondary. In 12th they want their child to score good marks for getting engineering or medical seat in merit. this doesn't stop here, it continues in college as well. The parents want the child to study well in college and get campus placement. This results in nil understanding of the course in most cases and the students are left with stressful life throughout their educational life . And more importantly they tend to do the same mistake with their child in future as well. So, this can be changed only if the educational system in India gets changed. Then only, the student can enjoy his educational life without stress.

But still a Dr.Amartyasen is there. :) But, if we are considering population of India, it should be at least in thousands. Isn't it? Same is the case of each and every field in India.
I think our Gurukula education is far far better than our present system. At least some students come out, who actually know the true meaning of education. Education is not just earning a certificate. All universities give moderation marks for students to pass. In SSLC, if he scores 10 marks out of 50, he will get moderation and will be declared 'pass'. Actually, will the student be benefited from this? I don't think so. A student should learn the subject to know about it, not to 'just pass' and continue further education. When his basement itself has not been well-built yet, how can he achieve more heights? Never possible at all.

@Sandhya

Dr. Amartya Sen started his student life at Gurudev's Shantiniketan and his parents were all associates of Rabindra Nath Tagore. It goes to prove my point that is the superiority of earliers system!

@Sandhya

Dr. Amartya Sen started his student life at Gurudev's Shantiniketan and his parents were all associates of Rabindra Nath Tagore. It goes to prove my point that is the superiority of earliers system!

Can you quote something about present education system at Shantinikethan, as you are from Bengal? Are they still following the old methods of teaching? Just a few words, please

Yes i remember when i was in 12th standard i had lot of pressure on my shoulders as percentage in 12th matters much as on the basis of it only we get admission in colleges i know many of my friends could not get admission in good college due to less percentage.I don't know what is the present scenario but of course today too children have pressure to get good marks. :(

Actually parents and child both need proper counselling.There is no such system here.Recently I have seen a bengali movie named ICHHE, which showed this.Parent want to make his child established anyway.So if we will get proper guidence it will help more to child.

I think old days education was better than todays days becuase that time no cd,computer vedeos, etc only learning and learning so student mind become more sharp with good memory.

So more facility is also not a good thing because student should enjoy student life not professional life with a lot of facility.

Yes in those days education had some meaning with morality and a social value.Now a days all are running behind number.

Yes in those days education had some meaning with morality and a social value.Now a days all are running behind number.

Now, people will be popular in society only if he is an Engineer or doctor. All jobs are not getting dignity here. So, parents are giving pressure to their kids to join some professional course, because they believe that only such studies will only enable them to acquire security in future life.

According to me, everything has to be well balanced.
It's sure, the field selected by a person should be 100% according to his will and parents should provide support to them with proper guidance. But kids should also dream courses that parents have appropriate financial status to give it to them.
Every kid dreams to be a doctor and get admission in a private college. But, is it possible if parents can't afford its expense?
So,while choosing a career, kids should remember this factor also. Am I not right?

@Sandhya

Like everything Santiniketan too is afflicted by a crisis of values.Ideals which inspired Tagore to set up this institution started leaving it soon after his departure from the scene! Its culmination could be seen in the theft of the very Nobel Prize medallion which still remains untraced today!!

When whole world is moving, we should also move. We can't stop it. That happened to Shanti nikethan also. :(

World is moving and we should move as per direction of world but including good from old one.

World is moving and we should move as per direction of world but including good from old one.

Ya, good from the old one's should be added. But our present education system is not adding them. That's well reflected and as Chinmayjee told, new education system is not helping India to bring good scientists or mathematicians. I think our education system has changed once we got independence. To afford new learnings, many good and old things are forgotten. Am I right?

There is nothing wrong with other professions apart from engineers and doctors which are as popular, like advocates, Chartered accountants, teachers, architects, designers, management professionals, bankers, bakers, tailors, home decorators, fashion designer all part of the opportunities available, for instance mass media is one of the most in-thing and as reputable ad respected job as any. In addition, these all come in to expert category.
This list is an only a small part of the so vast to follow as we should not forget writing jobs which are as hot, therefore if the children today are doing there all out efforts to do better in this age of cut throat competition, there is nothing wrong in that. That is no burden but kind of need today. Whatever they will today will come in handy all through their lives.

[quote]There is nothing wrong with other professions apart from engineers and doctors which are as popular, like advocates, Chartered accountants, teachers, architects, designers, management professionals, bankers, bakers, tailors, home decorators, fashion designer all part of the opportunities available, for instance mass media is one of the most in-thing and as reputable ad respected job as any. In addition, these all come in to expert category.
This list is an only a small part of the so vast to follow as we should not forget writing jobs which are as hot, therefore if the children today are doing there all out efforts to do better in this age of cut throat competition, there is nothing wrong in that. That is no burden but kind of need today. Whatever they will today will come in handy all through their lives.[/quote]
Yes it is true.

There is nothing wrong with other professions apart from engineers and doctors which are as popular, like advocates, Chartered accountants, teachers, architects, designers, management professionals, bankers, bakers, tailors, home decorators, fashion designer all part of the opportunities available, for instance mass media is one of the most in-thing and as reputable ad respected job as any. In addition, these all come in to expert category.
This list is an only a small part of the so vast to follow as we should not forget writing jobs which are as hot, therefore if the children today are doing there all out efforts to do better in this age of cut throat competition, there is nothing wrong in that. That is no burden but kind of need today. Whatever they will today will come in handy all through their lives.

Everyone needs to make a career. There is nothing wrong in parents and elders to help and encourage the child to advance and secure a good career. But what is worrying is that the elders are over zealous and attempt to thrust upon the child against natural inclination and aptitude. The child should be encouraged to develop the talent in the filed in which he is best. A child's aptitude is clearer at secondary level. If a child is not good in biology, it will be wrong to thrust medical profession on him. A child's good performance in subjects like language, civics, history may indicate his suitability for teaching, tourism, hotel, law etc. The attempt to force child in studies or career for which he is not suitable will depress him all life and he is deprived of the career that he would otherwise successfully make in appropriate area.

Everyone needs to make a career. There is nothing wrong in parents and elders to help and encourage the child to advance and secure a good career. But what is worrying is that the elders are over zealous and attempt to thrust upon the child against natural inclination and aptitude. The child should be encouraged to develop the talent in the filed in which he is best. A child's aptitude is clearer at secondary level. If a child is not good in biology, it will be wrong to thrust medical profession on him. A child's good performance in subjects like language, civics, history may indicate his suitability for teaching, tourism, hotel, law etc. The attempt to force child in studies or career for which he is not suitable will depress him all life and he is deprived of the career that he would otherwise successfully make in appropriate area.[/quote]

There is absolutely nothing wrong in the attempts and ambitions of the parents to seek career advancements for their wards but the whole problem stems from their desires in promoting their careers (parents') by proxy!!What we are experiencing at the moments is specialization and diversification which is in tune with the global phenomenon and no skepticism need be harbaoured about its desirability. In indian context the cause of quality education faces formidable pressures from moneybags! A doctor failing to get his son admitted through the normal process preferring the route of private medical colleges and the society
get a doctor of questionable merit!!

I came across quite an interesting report about multinational companies recruting engineers from campus from a famous and one of the leading government engineering colleges in West Bengal and in India too complaining about the poor standards of communicational English of some of the products of this college which came in the way of recruiting them.

Thanks Chinmoyji for your valuable comments.Nice explanation.

@Ram Prosad

You must be knowing the college I had in mind. In fact, our daily experience with sub-standard products is too common to be related here!