Conditions for minorities to live in India !

You have to read between the lines and perceive the meaning ...

rambabu wrote:

All along the discussion, you held the opinion that the very core of democracy is secularism. And this vital aspect has been twisted and mutilated by those intolerant leaders who do not have belief in secularism. Then how come  as per you a country like Pakistan sans secularism can become a Model  for future India ?

 

He is saying something which you are either evading or not getting the point. Do not blame him for dragging the discussion if he tells you something in his own disguised style... cheers.

I mean that for many persons today their aim is to see that Hindu religion is declared the religion of India and other religions are made secondary. By doing so they want India to become like Pakistan. Of course I am with the majority who want India to be secular and retain its centuries old  plurality. I am also a proud secular Hindu like million others.

vijay wrote:

I mean that for many persons today their aim is to see that Hindu religion is declared the religion of India and other religions are made secondary. By doing so they want India to become like Pakistan. Of course I am with the majority who want India to be secular and retain its centuries old  plurality. I am also a proud secular Hindu like million others.

 

No, that's not the case otherwise we would not be reading this

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/27475.html

 

India and Hindu nation, it is impossible. Leaders of India are habitual and addict of saying any words without thinking. But the nation must be solve this problems. Cow is holy animals for Hindus for thousand of years. All religions have some faiths and believes. So we all should be tried to regard these.

what rubbish is this, if a person eats beef then he/she should have to leave India. What a low mentality, this is India and everyone has the right to eat everything including poison also. Because of some illiterate minister these thing are have been given so much importance. 

If you drink poison and die then here is no problem except that your family will be desolate but on the other hand if you survive you will be tried in the court because committing suicide is a crime ..As far as beef ban is concerned it was in existence in many states since 1955 , it is only being brought to lime light now for obvious reasons ..

Who is bringing it into lime light ?

Ban on cow slaughter is a state subject. So, many states have banned cow slaughter. There is absolute ban in some states and conditional in others. There is nothing wrong in enforcing law on the ban. Nobody objects to this. Nobody objects to the Haryana C.M. strictly enforcing the ban as legislated in the assembly.  There is no needto make issue of this. It toatlly makes no sense to ask the beef eaters to go to Pakistan. Not only the Haryana C.M. but also another leader Naqvi also said so in a T.V. Interview.  Such threats given by the leaders of the saffron group defintely give the impression that Hindu Rashtra is in the making.  As regards beef eating by Hindus, some have admitted they take beef. It is widely believed that in some regions, Hindus also are beef eaters.   Recently Lalu Yadav also hinted . May be some might feel offended. But I don't intend to offend any one. But this is too less when the beef eaters are told to leave India. In case people are asked to go to Pakistan just because they eat beef, what elsecan be said except that Hindu Rashtra is in the making.  However, all are expected to abide by the ban on cow slaughter in the regions where this is enforcedby law. 

I give some more links to prove that there is systematic move to create communal tension by the saffron block. 

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-rss-mouthpiece-defends-dadri-lynching-calls-it-a-natural-reaction-to-sin-of-cow-slaughter-2135992

http://hindi.oneindia.com/news/india/rss-mouthpiece-defends-dadri-vedas-order-killing-sinners-who-kill-cow-372096.html

However, the Goa C.M. has given a more sensible opinion even though he velongs to saffron froup. I appreciate his sensible statement.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/beef-eaten-as-part-of-cuisine-not-to-offend-others-says-goa-cm-laxmikant-parsekar/

I have edited my posts so as to avoid reference to particular state in view of sentiment of some members. .   

Fimally  the PM has woken up to the damage being caused by fringe elements within BJP and  the Sangh parivar and Amit Shah has taken some of them to task today. It would be interesting to know how these elements now behave. 

I know of couple of Jains who relish non veg food. I also know a young Muslim lady Doctor who is the only vegetarian in her family. I know a Bengali who does not like fish. I have a relative who only takes non veg food and no vegetables.

So can we generalise these habits upon the whole community to which they belong and condemn them. Food is a private matter like religion and and that is how it should remain. 

vijay wrote:

Fimally  the PM has woken up to the damage being caused by fringe elements within BJP and  the Sangh parivar and Amit Shah has taken some of them to task today. It would be interesting to know how these elements now behave. 

I know of couple of Jains who relish non veg food. I also know a young Muslim lady Doctor who is the only vegetarian in her family. I know a Bengali who does not like fish. I have a relative who only takes non veg food and no vegetables.

So can we generalise these habits upon the whole community to which they belong and condemn them. Food is a private matter like religion and and that is how it should remain. 

Food is a private matter but religion plays some role. A jain may eat meat outside home but not in his family especially a joint one. Actually religion is not a matter of choice. This is decided by accident of birth in a particular community.  However cow is a holy animal for many. But the culture and food habits are not same in entire country. Hence there is no central law. Ban on cow slaughter is a state subject. A state government may ban cow slaughter keeping in view the conditions in the state.  Accordingly, there is total or partial ban on cow slaughterin many states. The North East, Kerala and West Bengal are the states without any ban.  

The ban on cow slaughteris well within power of the state governments and they can enforce this. But it is wrong to threaten anyone to either send him to Pakistan or kill him for the offence of beef eating or cow slaughter. Cow slaughter should also be taken just like any legal issue e.g. theft, cheque bouncing etc. You don't send somebody to Pakistan if his cheque bounces. similarly you can punish according to law but not kill or send to Pakistan somebody violating law on cow slaughter ban. 

usha manohar wrote:

If you drink poison and die then here is no problem except that your family will be desolate but on the other hand if you survive you will be tried in the court because committing suicide is a crime ..As far as beef ban is concerned it was in existence in many states since 1955 , it is only being brought to lime light now for obvious reasons..

yes no one can drink poison. it is illegal. Indeed leader who are giving this type of statement is creating problem for PM Modi. His focus is only and only development of country. Now BJP president call clarification for this statement from Haryana CM.

India's democracy has forced the PM to reign in the motor mouths to send the message that in a pluralistic country a narrow agenda will not work. Is this also a message for RSS and other units of Sangh parivar?  Democracy moves slowly but moves with finality. Bihar election results will be interesting to follow. Can Modi rise above his followers?

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

rambabu wrote:

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

Yes. This is eye wash. They fear electoral reverses. RSS is an old organization and their ideology is not hidden.  This is reinforced by statement of Naidu. He fears that image of India will be affected. The image will definitely be affected as RSS and irs affiliates cannot change.  The various provocative statements from RSS and its affiliates inclusive of BJP continue. Danage is already done. even if they now maintain silence, their venomous ideology is exposed. Naidu talks of stray incidents. These are not stray but part of deeper conspiracy. Now another funny thing. Panchjanya, RSS paper justified killing on suspicion of beef eating. Now RSS says that Panchjanya is not RSS paper. Can you think of bigger deception. Ever one knows that 'Organizer' and 'Panchjanya' represent the RSS and its affiliates. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

Yes. This is eye wash. They fear electoral reverses. RSS is an old organization and their ideology is not hidden.  This is reinforced by statement of Naidu. He fears that image of India will be affected. The image will definitely be affected as RSS and irs affiliates cannot change.  The various provocative statements from RSS and its affiliates inclusive of BJP continue. Danage is already done. even if they now maintain silence, their venomous ideology is exposed. Naidu talks of stray incidents. These are not stray but part of deeper conspiracy. Now another funny thing. Panchjanya, RSS paper justified killing on suspicion of beef eating. Now RSS says that Panchjanya is not RSS paper. Can you think of bigger deception. Ever one knows that 'Organizer' and 'Panchjanya' represent the RSS and its affiliates. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

 

I agree with you sir. Eye wash measures will not stay. The reality surfaces up sooner than later. It is better for the the Government to deassociate from the influence of RSS and Sangh Parivar. People voted to BJP .Not to RSS and Sangh Parivar

 

 

 

What is termed as deception is found in every walk of political life with some parties gong in for the biggest deception by hiding their agenda, whereas some are open about it. RSS would not be here if it did not have the support of people and their only fault is that they want to make sure that Hinduism thrives. If other religions are given a boost to do so why not them? As far as other labels given to them, it is the work of the media and the well known oldest party which does not what its true principle is since it has lost all credibility...One gets to hear different voices within a party , does not mean that is the true voice , similarly RSS has issued a statement..

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/507184/rss-clarifies-stand-panchajanya-article.h

@Usha the issue is not about RSS philosophy and its activities. The issue is its backseat driving the elected BJP government. If RSS wants the country to follow its agenda it should enter the elections on its own  and let people decide. Making BJP ask votes on development and then when people give it a majority , RSS tries to push the govt. to follow its agenda is undemocratic and cheating the peoples mandate. It is this dubious act which is opposed by vast majority of people. Let it enter the elections and if it wins there will be no opposition. And the oldest party for all its faults was elected by the people to govern, it did not make back door entry. I agree with you that RSS is champion of Hinduism but let it not dabble in politics by keeping BJP in front.

It is a known fact that many of the top BJP leaders have an RSS background and people have voted for them knowingly...RSS and its ideologies are its own but running a nation is quite another matter and even if RSS carries out its mission it need not effect the governance . BJP has been doing excellent work as far as development is concerned and that is precisely why all minor issues are being blown out of proportion by vested interests just to show the party in poor light ..People are intelligent enough to see what is true and what is fabricated and whoever is in the wrong will ultimately pay the price ! It has happened before and will happen again/

Parties fight elections on the basis of declared manifestos. Not on the background of the leaders.