Conditions for minorities to live in India !

vijay wrote:

Fimally  the PM has woken up to the damage being caused by fringe elements within BJP and  the Sangh parivar and Amit Shah has taken some of them to task today. It would be interesting to know how these elements now behave. 

I know of couple of Jains who relish non veg food. I also know a young Muslim lady Doctor who is the only vegetarian in her family. I know a Bengali who does not like fish. I have a relative who only takes non veg food and no vegetables.

So can we generalise these habits upon the whole community to which they belong and condemn them. Food is a private matter like religion and and that is how it should remain. 

Food is a private matter but religion plays some role. A jain may eat meat outside home but not in his family especially a joint one. Actually religion is not a matter of choice. This is decided by accident of birth in a particular community.  However cow is a holy animal for many. But the culture and food habits are not same in entire country. Hence there is no central law. Ban on cow slaughter is a state subject. A state government may ban cow slaughter keeping in view the conditions in the state.  Accordingly, there is total or partial ban on cow slaughterin many states. The North East, Kerala and West Bengal are the states without any ban.  

The ban on cow slaughteris well within power of the state governments and they can enforce this. But it is wrong to threaten anyone to either send him to Pakistan or kill him for the offence of beef eating or cow slaughter. Cow slaughter should also be taken just like any legal issue e.g. theft, cheque bouncing etc. You don't send somebody to Pakistan if his cheque bounces. similarly you can punish according to law but not kill or send to Pakistan somebody violating law on cow slaughter ban. 

usha manohar wrote:

If you drink poison and die then here is no problem except that your family will be desolate but on the other hand if you survive you will be tried in the court because committing suicide is a crime ..As far as beef ban is concerned it was in existence in many states since 1955 , it is only being brought to lime light now for obvious reasons..

yes no one can drink poison. it is illegal. Indeed leader who are giving this type of statement is creating problem for PM Modi. His focus is only and only development of country. Now BJP president call clarification for this statement from Haryana CM.

India's democracy has forced the PM to reign in the motor mouths to send the message that in a pluralistic country a narrow agenda will not work. Is this also a message for RSS and other units of Sangh parivar?  Democracy moves slowly but moves with finality. Bihar election results will be interesting to follow. Can Modi rise above his followers?

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

rambabu wrote:

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

Yes. This is eye wash. They fear electoral reverses. RSS is an old organization and their ideology is not hidden.  This is reinforced by statement of Naidu. He fears that image of India will be affected. The image will definitely be affected as RSS and irs affiliates cannot change.  The various provocative statements from RSS and its affiliates inclusive of BJP continue. Danage is already done. even if they now maintain silence, their venomous ideology is exposed. Naidu talks of stray incidents. These are not stray but part of deeper conspiracy. Now another funny thing. Panchjanya, RSS paper justified killing on suspicion of beef eating. Now RSS says that Panchjanya is not RSS paper. Can you think of bigger deception. Ever one knows that 'Organizer' and 'Panchjanya' represent the RSS and its affiliates. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

Yes. This is eye wash. They fear electoral reverses. RSS is an old organization and their ideology is not hidden.  This is reinforced by statement of Naidu. He fears that image of India will be affected. The image will definitely be affected as RSS and irs affiliates cannot change.  The various provocative statements from RSS and its affiliates inclusive of BJP continue. Danage is already done. even if they now maintain silence, their venomous ideology is exposed. Naidu talks of stray incidents. These are not stray but part of deeper conspiracy. Now another funny thing. Panchjanya, RSS paper justified killing on suspicion of beef eating. Now RSS says that Panchjanya is not RSS paper. Can you think of bigger deception. Ever one knows that 'Organizer' and 'Panchjanya' represent the RSS and its affiliates. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

 

I agree with you sir. Eye wash measures will not stay. The reality surfaces up sooner than later. It is better for the the Government to deassociate from the influence of RSS and Sangh Parivar. People voted to BJP .Not to RSS and Sangh Parivar

 

 

 

What is termed as deception is found in every walk of political life with some parties gong in for the biggest deception by hiding their agenda, whereas some are open about it. RSS would not be here if it did not have the support of people and their only fault is that they want to make sure that Hinduism thrives. If other religions are given a boost to do so why not them? As far as other labels given to them, it is the work of the media and the well known oldest party which does not what its true principle is since it has lost all credibility...One gets to hear different voices within a party , does not mean that is the true voice , similarly RSS has issued a statement..

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/507184/rss-clarifies-stand-panchajanya-article.h

@Usha the issue is not about RSS philosophy and its activities. The issue is its backseat driving the elected BJP government. If RSS wants the country to follow its agenda it should enter the elections on its own  and let people decide. Making BJP ask votes on development and then when people give it a majority , RSS tries to push the govt. to follow its agenda is undemocratic and cheating the peoples mandate. It is this dubious act which is opposed by vast majority of people. Let it enter the elections and if it wins there will be no opposition. And the oldest party for all its faults was elected by the people to govern, it did not make back door entry. I agree with you that RSS is champion of Hinduism but let it not dabble in politics by keeping BJP in front.

It is a known fact that many of the top BJP leaders have an RSS background and people have voted for them knowingly...RSS and its ideologies are its own but running a nation is quite another matter and even if RSS carries out its mission it need not effect the governance . BJP has been doing excellent work as far as development is concerned and that is precisely why all minor issues are being blown out of proportion by vested interests just to show the party in poor light ..People are intelligent enough to see what is true and what is fabricated and whoever is in the wrong will ultimately pay the price ! It has happened before and will happen again/

Parties fight elections on the basis of declared manifestos. Not on the background of the leaders. 

As far as manifestos are concerned BJP is delivering the goods in the best possible way. Remember BJP inherited a  desert from the erstwhile rulers. It is not possible to bring greenery overnight in this desert. a steady and consistent efforts are needed, which is what BJP is doing. After all Rome was not built in a day

Manifesto is what they want to do and one cannot expect it to happen in 2 years of rule when it dont happen in the past years ...They have another 3 odd years , so let us give them time.The problem is the opposition which stops all good work for the sake of doing so...of course people are aware of this and hopefully the next time round things would be more favorable ..

usha manohar wrote:

What is termed as deception is found in every walk of political life with some parties gong in for the biggest deception by hiding their agenda, whereas some are open about it. RSS would not be here if it did not have the support of people and their only fault is that they want to make sure that Hinduism thrives. If other religions are given a boost to do so why not them? As far as other labels given to them, it is the work of the media and the well known oldest party which does not what its true principle is since it has lost all credibility...One gets to hear different voices within a party , does not mean that is the true voice , similarly RSS has issued a statement..

Well explained, BJP have thousand leaders and followers, if some one is saying any thing, it dose't mean that it views of BJP. Not only BJP leaders, leaders of other parties are also speaking such of rubbish. Missa Bhati, said that it is time to hang on modi till the death. What a stupid statement.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/507184/rss-clarifies-stand-panchajanya-article.h

 

rambabu wrote:

As far as manifestos are concerned BJP is delivering the goods in the best possible way. Remember BJP inherited a  desert from the erstwhile rulers. It is not possible to bring greenery overnight in this desert. a steady and consistent efforts are needed, which is what BJP is doing. After all Rome was not built in a day

It is right that it is not possible to brings good days overnight. Hateli par sarsoon nahi ugai ja sakti. But who explain it to the opposition. Modi is doing hir best for the development of country, but some peoples wants to puddle his intention. Sonia Gandhi said in meeting at Bihar that government ko Garibi Dikhti Nahi. What a funny statement. Congress ruled country most of time after independence and Sonia Gandhi also ruled the country for ten years. She did not see poverty?

 

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

As far as manifestos are concerned BJP is delivering the goods in the best possible way. Remember BJP inherited a  desert from the erstwhile rulers. It is not possible to bring greenery overnight in this desert. a steady and consistent efforts are needed, which is what BJP is doing. After all Rome was not built in a day

It is right that it is not possible to brings good days overnight. Hateli par sarsoon nahi ugai ja sakti. But who explain it to the opposition. Modi is doing hir best for the development of country, but some peoples wants to puddle his intention. Sonia Gandhi said in meeting at Bihar that government ko Garibi Dikhti Nahi. What a funny statement. Congress ruled country most of time after independence and Sonia Gandhi also ruled the country for ten years. She did not see poverty?

Well said Anil. Now congress that ruled for many years is trying its best to stage a comeback. But people are not in a position to buy Congress party's stories. people realized that Congress  has deceived the commoner and the country. That is why people driven it away. But Modi is a many of action and he will not fear such murky allegations of Congress.

 

 

Supporters with tunnel vision are a boon for  leaders. No need for manifestos. 

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

Yes. This is eye wash. They fear electoral reverses. RSS is an old organization and their ideology is not hidden.  This is reinforced by statement of Naidu. He fears that image of India will be affected. The image will definitely be affected as RSS and irs affiliates cannot change.  The various provocative statements from RSS and its affiliates inclusive of BJP continue. Danage is already done. even if they now maintain silence, their venomous ideology is exposed. Naidu talks of stray incidents. These are not stray but part of deeper conspiracy. Now another funny thing. Panchjanya, RSS paper justified killing on suspicion of beef eating. Now RSS says that Panchjanya is not RSS paper. Can you think of bigger deception. Ever one knows that 'Organizer' and 'Panchjanya' represent the RSS and its affiliates. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

 

I agree with you sir. Eye wash measures will not stay. The reality surfaces up sooner than later. It is better for the the Government to deassociate from the influence of RSS and Sangh Parivar. People voted to BJP .Not to RSS and Sangh Parivar

People voted for BJP and not R.S.S. Correct. But BJP is vey much inseperable from RSS. The key BJP leaders like Modi, Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi all belong to RSS. BJP and many other organizations are simply components of RSS. All of them woked vogorously for BJP.  BJP would not have won if Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Bajaranfg Dal, Swamy Ramdev, Shri Shri shri Ravishankar etc had not campaigned for the BJP. As long as we see BJP as separate from RSS and other Hindutva affiliates, we shall remain confused. 

 

 

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

True. The fact that narrow agenda will prove counter productive is dawning on the minds of the BJP. It must act as a message and warning too to RSS and Sangh Parivar. Now , latest news says Amit Ahah raps BJP leaders for their communally provocative statements. I think Amit Shahs rapping should also send a message to the Sangh Parivar and RSS.  Let's see if this is an eyewash rapping or otherwise.

Yes. This is eye wash. They fear electoral reverses. RSS is an old organization and their ideology is not hidden.  This is reinforced by statement of Naidu. He fears that image of India will be affected. The image will definitely be affected as RSS and irs affiliates cannot change.  The various provocative statements from RSS and its affiliates inclusive of BJP continue. Danage is already done. even if they now maintain silence, their venomous ideology is exposed. Naidu talks of stray incidents. These are not stray but part of deeper conspiracy. Now another funny thing. Panchjanya, RSS paper justified killing on suspicion of beef eating. Now RSS says that Panchjanya is not RSS paper. Can you think of bigger deception. Ever one knows that 'Organizer' and 'Panchjanya' represent the RSS and its affiliates. 

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/generalising-stray-incidents-may-damage-our-image-naidu/story-DJLC5AwChF7VYHtvjx9dIO.html

 

I agree with you sir. Eye wash measures will not stay. The reality surfaces up sooner than later. It is better for the the Government to deassociate from the influence of RSS and Sangh Parivar. People voted to BJP .Not to RSS and Sangh Parivar

People voted for BJP and not R.S.S. Correct. But BJP is vey much inseperable from RSS. The key BJP leaders like Modi, Advani, Murli Manohar Joshi all belong to RSS. BJP and many other organizations are simply components of RSS. All of them woked vogorously for BJP.  BJP would not have won if Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Bajaranfg Dal, Swamy Ramdev, Shri Shri shri Ravishankar etc had not campaigned for the BJP. As long as we see BJP as separate from RSS and other Hindutva affiliates, we shall remain confused. 

I feel BJP's links with RSS or Sangh Parivar have nothing to do as long as Good governance is assured. People are confident that BJP can give good Governance. That's why the BJP won with such a huge majority in the last elections. BJP has never tried to hide it's links with RSS.

And when it comes to political parties' links with God men or God women, congress too had such links. Nehru's links with with Sanyasin Shradda Mata or Indira's links with Dhirendra Brahmacari are well known

 Still it ruled the country for two decades.

 

 

 

 

Secularism means respecting all religions. But in India the case is different. Here secularism means anti - Hindu. Any politician or any writer or any person who claims himself as a secular person always use anti Hindu words. And if we talk about the discussion, then also minorities in India feel themselves safest in comparison to other countries. Government has many plans and policies for minorities in India so that they feel comfortable to live in India.

@ Manoj could you elaborate by giving examples Other than uniform Civil Code of anti Hindu measures by secularists. This is for better understanding of these oft repeated charges.