I heard a lot about Rishabh Pant being talent. But I have yet to see 1 centure in ODI or Test or 50 in T20. I don't know on what basis he is future for team? I mean anyone can perform in IPL but not in the international game. Same was done by the KL Rahul but I am guessing he is smart enough to improve from here onwards. We need kartik for World Cup for sure otherwise we can't have batting strength at the end. Also we have poor leg spin with chahal out of form. 

Pant has 2 test centuries at an average of 49+ and one 50 in T20 at an average of 19+ and in one dayers his record is as bad as in T20 no, 100, no 50 but 93 runs in 5 innings. He stands nowhere in comparison to great Dhoni. But the management has to give chance to new comers. I thought Kartik is better than Pant in every field. IPL is different of course.

I am guessing that Indian team is risking their resources by selecting Pant, KL Rahul and Ambati Raydu. Then again last 1 year Indian team didn't paid much attention to other batsmen. Ashwin's spin have stopped working. So I don't think he is a good choice to call for. Plus the issue is that no other off spinner and leg spinner are out there to replace K yadav and chahal which is a worry in itself. 

suni51 wrote:

Pant has 2 test centuries at an average of 49+ and one 50 in T20 at an average of 19+ and in one dayers his record is as bad as in T20 no, 100, no 50 but 93 runs in 5 innings. He stands nowhere in comparison to great Dhoni. But the management has to give chance to new comers. I thought Kartik is better than Pant in every field. IPL is different of course.

Pant has the talent but not patience which is why he is failing. It would be a big mistake to take him in the XI I guess. He is very vulnerable to throw his wicket in some easy fashion, like hitting a couple of sixes and then hitting some shot which the bowler is expecting and then getting out. Behind the wickets, he is not great.

He can be a future star by all means, but this is not the time. May be after world cup, he can be given some long rope.

Dinesh is experienced, skilled and has shown the temperament and balance required for international level in different match situations. He is a handy wicket keeper. He doesn't drop as much as Rishab & has improved vastly behind the wickets in the recent times.

Mahesh wrote:

I am guessing that Indian team is risking their resources by selecting Pant, KL Rahul and Ambati Raydu. Then again last 1 year Indian team didn't paid much attention to other batsmen. Ashwin's spin have stopped working. So I don't think he is a good choice to call for. Plus the issue is that no other off spinner and leg spinner are out there to replace K yadav and chahal which is a worry in itself. 

I think, to select KL is a good thing. He has the skill and tenacity to flourish when time needs as he is technically sound.

KL is technically working on things. But Australia has found out the flaws in him. And the worst part is that they know how to get him out. If they can find this flaw, I am sure the england and SA team can do the same. I am skeptical about any other team where he can play lot better though. Like say Pakistan and other teams he can handle well. 

Mahesh wrote:

I am guessing that Indian team is risking their resources by selecting Pant, KL Rahul and Ambati Raydu. Then again last 1 year Indian team didn't paid much attention to other batsmen. Ashwin's spin have stopped working. So I don't think he is a good choice to call for. Plus the issue is that no other off spinner and leg spinner are out there to replace K yadav and chahal which is a worry in itself. 

I did not observe that! India is indeed short of spare spinner. Kedar has been worked out during the Australia series and he was bashed for runs. What if Kuldeep and Chahal have an off day? They will certainly have. In that situation, we can depend on Jadeja I guess.

But I am not at all impressed by Jadeja batting, though he has bowled economically, picked wickets and caused some excellent run outs, he is very slow in batting.

I think Jadeja should be in the No.4 slot as in that case he will get his time to set in and bat freely. This must be done in warm up games to see whether he can perform. Also in conditions where spinners can't do much.

India must go with Jadeja and Bhuvi, Bumrah, Shami and Pandya as the bowling combination. Kedar can chip in with few overs. The thing with Kedar is, he must be used as a partnership break bowler and not used frequently to keep his X factor alive.

By the way there is only one warm up game or more?

Number 4 slot is a specialist slot. Something only Karthik, Dhoni, Kedar can work out. I think dhawan and KL should be rotated based on the confidence of either one of them. If dhawan is out of form, let him play with small teams. And KL should be played with him. And rohit in such case can be given break. 

Kedar is not really a spinner but he has perfect pitch if once batsman learns about the pause he takes and the slow ball that reaches him, they can beat him out. 

Jadeja is basically a type of bowler that waits for batsman to make mistake. And that makes him length specific bowler than proper spinner. 

I think there is going to first league matches before super 8. So we may end up playing some small teams before super 8. 

Mahesh wrote:

Number 4 slot is a specialist slot. Something only Karthik, Dhoni, Kedar can work out. I think dhawan and KL should be rotated based on the confidence of either one of them. If dhawan is out of form, let him play with small teams. And KL should be played with him. And rohit in such case can be given break. 

Kedar is not really a spinner but he has perfect pitch if once batsman learns about the pause he takes and the slow ball that reaches him, they can beat him out. 

Jadeja is basically a type of bowler that waits for batsman to make mistake. And that makes him length specific bowler than proper spinner. 

I think there is going to first league matches before super 8. So we may end up playing some small teams before super 8. 

Agree that Dhoni, Kedar or Karthik suit much better in that order, but if Jadeja can be given some time there in the warm up matches he can find some of his rhythm in his batting which can boost his confidence in Batting. We have already seen how slowly Jadeja was batting in the ODI series whenever he got a chance.

Though that was how he played earlier as well, giving him a chance up the order in warm up games will not have any detrimental impact to the team, moreover it will give Jadeja the confidence and then can play freely down the order also, the thing to be noted is, he should be promoted in warm up games and while playing against lower teams to boost his confidence so that against better opponents if India loose quick 5 to 6 wickets, Jadeja can bat in much better flow.

Jadeja is always an asset whom we can rely on in bowling and fielding. though he is not a proper spinner, he can substitute the role of spinner with effectiveness. Kedar can be used only at times to break partnership, his angles and speed of bowling works in his favour , if used restrictedly and when needed.

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Mahesh wrote:

The way Indian team played against the Australia. I am skeptical of few people like Ambati Raydu, Rishabh Pant, etc. Also I am not sure how serious is hardik pandya that he decided not to play. And shikhar dhawan turning out to be random playing batsman with less consistency this year. 

Indeed, very much agree with you. Ambati Rayadu has flattered to deceive and also if we see his statistics he made good runs against poor or average teams like Srilanka, West Indies, Zimbabwe. Vijay Shankar can perform his role much better. I believe Vijay can churn centuries if he is given enough opportunities.

I strongly feel Rishab Pant should not be in the mix. He has been below par in both batting and keeping.Also, why have him when we have a good batsman & keeper in Dinesh? Dinesh has performed well in given chances showing his finishing abilities and keeps better than Rishab, who drops a catch or 2 by his default setting.

Rishab is no doubt a good talent, but he needs time and may be he can be in 2023 World cup, but this world cup, no way. It would be an immature decision if he is included. He is not stable enough for the international stage, if we see he has not come to terms with the standard that is required and batting according to situation.

His batting is a serious concern as any opposition team can plan and get his wicket easily than other batsman, that is because of the adrenaline that he has which he has not yet controlled fully which is why he plays his shots and gets out.

Shikar Dhawan is one guy I would love to get him out of, because he has having a drought of runs currently and we cannot expect batting friendly conditions in England to get his rhythm back. KL Rahul suits it best. Shikar should be opted in better batting conditions as in those situations he can provide those crucial quick starts for a good total or bring the chase alive with his quick strokes.

What you said about Rishb is right but I am not agree with you for Shikar Dhawan. He is talented one. It is right that he is not making runs in these day, but it happen with every player. In last two matches Kohli also could not make runs.