Indians constantly blame Pakistan for cross border terrorism but who first started it ?

I don't understand the hue and cry over toppling statues of Lenin in Tripura, Lenin may be a great figure in the history of Russia, but still we cannot forget that he himself was a political radical who killed tens of thousands of Russians who opposed, imprisoned as many in concentration camps for years and the style of his politics is not at all suited to India.

Lenin was essentially an intellectual and his uprising began against the czars ..he did become a dictator in his later years but he also was instrumental in bringing about social justice through of course radical and violent measures initially. I would say it was because the world was steeped in violence during the early years of 20th century. But we cannot overlook his contribution to the world. I am sure it brought in a new school of thought..it is also a fact that he realized that violence and dictatorship had it's limitations and so began to advocate socialism. 

Personally I feel that he was a great historical figure and by bringing down he statue the state has managed to stir a hornet's nest ...everybody is now doing the same with or without reason

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

I don't understand the hue and cry over toppling statues of Lenin in Tripura, Lenin may be a great figure in the history of Russia, but still we cannot forget that he himself was a political radical who killed tens of thousands of Russians who opposed, imprisoned as many in concentration camps for years and the style of his politics is not at all suited to India.

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head. Lenin was a heartless dictator in the mold of Hitler. In my visit to Russia so many times (as I flew Russian planes), Lenin is not much respected, but Russians are nostalgic for Stalin. Removing Lenin's statue is no big deal. People must be aware that over 100 statues of Lenin in East Europe were pulled down after collapsing of communism. Russians are also not bothered about Lenin because he introduced the concentration camp and forced labor. Why are people in India bothered?

usha manohar wrote:

Lenin was essentially an intellectual and his uprising began against the czars ..he did become a dictator in his later years but he also was instrumental in bringing about social justice through of course radical and violent measures initially. I would say it was because the world was steeped in violence during the early years of 20th century. But we cannot overlook his contribution to the world. I am sure it brought in a new school of thought..it is also a fact that he realized that violence and dictatorship had it's limitations and so began to advocate socialism. 

Personally I feel that he was a great historical figure and by bringing down he statue the state has managed to stir a hornet's nest ...everybody is now doing the same with or without reason

Lenin was an intellectual with a warped mind He introduced the Gulag-concentration camp and torture chamber. he authorized the murder of Czar Nicholas II and his children. He was a heartless brute who also invented thee NKVD-Secret police and people were scared of the midnight knock.  As I have written I visited Russia at least once a year and Russians dont much remember him. They have a love for Stalin The Russian government now does not pay a kopeck for maintaining the Lenis mausoleum and no visitor is taken there. It is maintained by private funds of communists -who in any case are finished in Russia. When Russians are not bothered about Lenin, whats the problem here.

It is surprising that Russians remember Stalin who slso was responsible for millons of deaths of Russians. Perhaps because he led Russia during second world war is the reason. He was more brutal than Lenin.

vijay wrote:

It is surprising that Russians remember Stalin who slso was responsible for millons of deaths of Russians. Perhaps because he led Russia during second world war is the reason. He was more brutal than Lenin.

Yes. This is a fact that Russians remember and nostalgic of Stalin.  Russians take great pride in their country and despite everything they feel he made Russia a great power.  The adulation for Stalin is maybe because Russians like strong men.  After Stalin the most popular leader is Putin. He is also a macho man. I have written a lot on Stalin and he deserved the title" Great"

We were talking about Pakistan in this thread guys! So let's get back to topic- In fact Pakistan started it right after the independence and India tried to save its territory only. It's still the same story. 

Yes! We have digressed from the topic Pakistan invaded Kashmir in 47 and we only reacted and allowed  Paks to takeover 40% of Kashmir. In 1971 India paid back pak in the same coin.Noe they are into Kashmir to avenge Bangladesh. We need a proactive poljcy like Indira did. Modi cannot be expected to do same as he is not as dynamic as he sounds in speeches

Formation of Bangladesh inspite if stiff opposition from the United States which supported Pakistan is really a commendable feat and India should be eternally grateful to Indira Gandhi for her courage in handling a very tricky situation along with Mujhibur Rehman and  by conferring her an award posthumously Bangladesh too has recognized that fact ...I wish the same was done in Kashmir where they failed horribly because of mishandling and trusting the Abdullah s.

What could not be done in 70 years cannot be expected to be finished in 3 years , so blaming Modi and s unfair.

When gangrane sets in there is no choice but surgery and amputation. Modi may have only 3 years but there is no way to solve the problem other than drastic surgery. The nation cannot wait till when Modi will act. The time is NOW and Modi cannot take shelter that he had only 4 years. That's a hell of a lot of time for surgery which he should have carried out straight away. As I have written and heard from my friends in AIR HQ he is indecisive. He failed to grant complete OROP as per the resolution of two parliaments and now the veterans have filed a case in the Supreme Court which has been accepted as it "merited consideration." Modi is talking big but again he has not realized that Mao wrote a Nations respect is on its armed might. Trump said the same thing. Can you think of any similar action in USA, UK, Russia where soldiers have to go to court? For me, he is a failure and I will vote against him.

Further let me add, perks for the armed forces like free rations granted by Indira Gandhi have been stopped by Modi. This man is daft. he should read Clausewitz and Sun Tzu. Mao may not have read them and neither Trump but they don't do such silly things.

A war with Pakistan is inevitablebut India has no choice but to win it  otherwise Kashmir will be further divided

Winning a war in the west is not easy. The Pak and Indian army are from same racial stock and in 3  wars the Indian Army could not breach PAK defences.  At best they could go just 7 km into Pak. India lost an entire brigade in 65 trying to capture Lahore. In 71 the battle in west was a stale mate.  In KARGIL. Indian army could not take entire  hill and PK vacated only under US pressure.  To think IA wIn is easier said than done and considering stAte of affairs what if Pak wins?   Modi has no comprehension of how to tackle Pal and keep military morale high. 

MG Singh wrote:

Winning a war in the west is not easy. The Pak and Indian army are from same racial stock and in 3  wars the Indian Army could not breach PAK defences.  At best they could go just 7 km into Pak. India lost an entire brigade in 65 trying to capture Lahore. In 71 the battle in west was a stale mate.  In KARGIL. Indian army could not take entire  hill and PK vacated only under US pressure.  To think IA wIn is easier said than done and considering stAte of affairs what if Pak wins?   Modi has no comprehension of how to tackle Pal and keep military morale high. 

Aren't there learned and wise brains in the armed forces advising him? 

Then let what is going on go. Why crib

I think it's matter of time only. We can see a full fledged war in coming months. Pakistan doesn't understand any other language but the only danger I see is support coming from China which can start a mini world war.

usha manohar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

Winning a war in the west is not easy. The Pak and Indian army are from same racial stock and in 3  wars the Indian Army could not breach PAK defences.  At best they could go just 7 km into Pak. India lost an entire brigade in 65 trying to capture Lahore. In 71 the battle in west was a stale mate.  In KARGIL. Indian army could not take entire  hill and PK vacated only under US pressure.  To think IA wIn is easier said than done and considering stAte of affairs what if Pak wins?   Modi has no comprehension of how to tackle Pal and keep military morale high. 

Aren't there learned and wise brains in the armed forces advising him? 

It will surprise you that the strong will officers are filtered out in higher ranks and the men who reach the top are yes men. So?????

There won't be any world war and I can say China may support Pak but will not physically fight India for the sake of Pak. They have a trade worth 86 billion dollars with India. A fight will be there but an India Pak fight only and the result is a toss-up. What if Pak wins, which is also likely. Being smug about victory is the most foolish thing. It could lead to a similar fight in Kashmir valley like in East Pakistan.

The crucial factor ina fight with Pak is morale.How will Indian army fare?  I won't write anything on this.

I think India has become better under Modi, in terms of getting more protective & attacking equipments, also there is more expression by the Army, however the possibility of a war looks more likely now as both the parties have become aggressive. India's morale should be in good spirits following the recent success in Surgical strikes & other successful operations.