Indians constantly blame Pakistan for cross border terrorism but who first started it ?

This is a good topic but can you provide information or some links about Mukthi Bahni ..

You all constantly criticise Indira but if she had not authorised the breakup of Pakistan then imagine today we would be fightig on east front also with Pskistai terrorists.

usha manohar wrote:

This is a good topic but can you provide information or some links about Mukthi Bahni ..

there are lots of links, but here are 2 of them

https://alaiwah.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/tibetans-fought-as-mukti-bahni-in-1971-in-east-pakistan/

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/our-soldiers-became-the-mukti-bahini-former-indian-army-chief-general-v-k-singhs-book-reveals.323152/

What was right or wrong is immaterial. The fact is that Pakistan is paying back in the same coin.  This war with Pak can only stop once Baluchistan is broken up and here also Raw is on hand.

Kashmir valley is burning and now terror groups from Pakistan, helped by locals are attacking army and police camps. This never happened earlier and Modi will have to look for a fresh approach. He could start by dismissing the PDP -BJP government. Also, there are so many trials going on against terrorists from the valley and not ONE is completed. Some have been going on for over 10 years and makes a mockery of the Indian commitment to fight terror. Like in Pak all terror groups should be trued by a miliatry court. Modi has to bite the bullet, but I have seen when the crucnch time comes he backs off. Not the hallmark of a great leader like Bose or Churchill or Putin.

MG Singh wrote:

Kashmir valley is burning and now terror groups from Pakistan, helped by locals are attacking army and police camps. This never happened earlier and Modi will have to look for a fresh approach. He could start by dismissing the PDP -BJP government. Also, there are so many trials going on against terrorists from the valley and not ONE is completed. Some have been going on for over 10 years and makes a mockery of the Indian commitment to fight terror. Like in Pak all terror groups should be trued by a miliatry court. Modi has to bite the bullet, but I have seen when the crucnch time comes he backs off. Not the hallmark of a great leader like Bose or Churchill or Putin.

I totally agree with that ...is it impossible to silence Pakistan by going n a massive air strike ? Why does India always wait for them to strike and then strike back in defense? Can't we destroy all their border posts when they open fire. It is clearly evident that , they use firing as a diversion to make it easy for the terrorists to gain entry into Indian side ..like everywhere else , even army seems to have been handicapped by the governmental procedures and Modi seems to be continuing the tradition 

usha manohar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

Kashmir valley is burning and now terror groups from Pakistan, helped by locals are attacking army and police camps. This never happened earlier and Modi will have to look for a fresh approach. He could start by dismissing the PDP -BJP government. Also, there are so many trials going on against terrorists from the valley and not ONE is completed. Some have been going on for over 10 years and makes a mockery of the Indian commitment to fight terror. Like in Pak all terror groups should be trued by a miliatry court. Modi has to bite the bullet, but I have seen when the crucnch time comes he backs off. Not the hallmark of a great leader like Bose or Churchill or Putin.

I totally agree with that ...is it impossible to silence Pakistan by going n a massive air strike ? Why does India always wait for them to strike and then strike back in defense? Can't we destroy all their border posts when they open fire. It is clearly evident that , they use firing as a diversion to make it easy for the terrorists to gain entry into Indian side ..like everywhere else , even army seems to have been handicapped by the governmental procedures and Modi seems to be continuing the tradition 

Excellent USha@ Pak understands only language of gun. Yes army is severely handicapped..  Look at how a FIR was filed against a Major who fired in self-defense.  Supreme Court had to intervene  as Modi and defense minister were silent. At this rate with army getting demoralized I don't see how valley can be retained. 

He will give a huge lecture and problem will be resolved. Both of you would be as usual cheering

Lectures and speeches are a specialty and tradition started and  by now followed by all politicians in our country. Some are experts at  abusive speeches and some speak of other things ..

vijay wrote:

He will give a huge lecture and problem will be resolved. Both of you would be as usual cheering

What do you think he should do? I think he has given a free hand to Indian Army and Border Security Force to take all necessary action. The only thing left is a full fledged war and that may start any day the way the things are taking place. I think MG knows it better than me.   

I don't understand the hue and cry over toppling statues of Lenin in Tripura, Lenin may be a great figure in the history of Russia, but still we cannot forget that he himself was a political radical who killed tens of thousands of Russians who opposed, imprisoned as many in concentration camps for years and the style of his politics is not at all suited to India.

Lenin was essentially an intellectual and his uprising began against the czars ..he did become a dictator in his later years but he also was instrumental in bringing about social justice through of course radical and violent measures initially. I would say it was because the world was steeped in violence during the early years of 20th century. But we cannot overlook his contribution to the world. I am sure it brought in a new school of thought..it is also a fact that he realized that violence and dictatorship had it's limitations and so began to advocate socialism. 

Personally I feel that he was a great historical figure and by bringing down he statue the state has managed to stir a hornet's nest ...everybody is now doing the same with or without reason

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

I don't understand the hue and cry over toppling statues of Lenin in Tripura, Lenin may be a great figure in the history of Russia, but still we cannot forget that he himself was a political radical who killed tens of thousands of Russians who opposed, imprisoned as many in concentration camps for years and the style of his politics is not at all suited to India.

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head. Lenin was a heartless dictator in the mold of Hitler. In my visit to Russia so many times (as I flew Russian planes), Lenin is not much respected, but Russians are nostalgic for Stalin. Removing Lenin's statue is no big deal. People must be aware that over 100 statues of Lenin in East Europe were pulled down after collapsing of communism. Russians are also not bothered about Lenin because he introduced the concentration camp and forced labor. Why are people in India bothered?

usha manohar wrote:

Lenin was essentially an intellectual and his uprising began against the czars ..he did become a dictator in his later years but he also was instrumental in bringing about social justice through of course radical and violent measures initially. I would say it was because the world was steeped in violence during the early years of 20th century. But we cannot overlook his contribution to the world. I am sure it brought in a new school of thought..it is also a fact that he realized that violence and dictatorship had it's limitations and so began to advocate socialism. 

Personally I feel that he was a great historical figure and by bringing down he statue the state has managed to stir a hornet's nest ...everybody is now doing the same with or without reason

Lenin was an intellectual with a warped mind He introduced the Gulag-concentration camp and torture chamber. he authorized the murder of Czar Nicholas II and his children. He was a heartless brute who also invented thee NKVD-Secret police and people were scared of the midnight knock.  As I have written I visited Russia at least once a year and Russians dont much remember him. They have a love for Stalin The Russian government now does not pay a kopeck for maintaining the Lenis mausoleum and no visitor is taken there. It is maintained by private funds of communists -who in any case are finished in Russia. When Russians are not bothered about Lenin, whats the problem here.

It is surprising that Russians remember Stalin who slso was responsible for millons of deaths of Russians. Perhaps because he led Russia during second world war is the reason. He was more brutal than Lenin.

vijay wrote:

It is surprising that Russians remember Stalin who slso was responsible for millons of deaths of Russians. Perhaps because he led Russia during second world war is the reason. He was more brutal than Lenin.

Yes. This is a fact that Russians remember and nostalgic of Stalin.  Russians take great pride in their country and despite everything they feel he made Russia a great power.  The adulation for Stalin is maybe because Russians like strong men.  After Stalin the most popular leader is Putin. He is also a macho man. I have written a lot on Stalin and he deserved the title" Great"

We were talking about Pakistan in this thread guys! So let's get back to topic- In fact Pakistan started it right after the independence and India tried to save its territory only. It's still the same story. 

Yes! We have digressed from the topic Pakistan invaded Kashmir in 47 and we only reacted and allowed  Paks to takeover 40% of Kashmir. In 1971 India paid back pak in the same coin.Noe they are into Kashmir to avenge Bangladesh. We need a proactive poljcy like Indira did. Modi cannot be expected to do same as he is not as dynamic as he sounds in speeches

Formation of Bangladesh inspite if stiff opposition from the United States which supported Pakistan is really a commendable feat and India should be eternally grateful to Indira Gandhi for her courage in handling a very tricky situation along with Mujhibur Rehman and  by conferring her an award posthumously Bangladesh too has recognized that fact ...I wish the same was done in Kashmir where they failed horribly because of mishandling and trusting the Abdullah s.

What could not be done in 70 years cannot be expected to be finished in 3 years , so blaming Modi and s unfair.

When gangrane sets in there is no choice but surgery and amputation. Modi may have only 3 years but there is no way to solve the problem other than drastic surgery. The nation cannot wait till when Modi will act. The time is NOW and Modi cannot take shelter that he had only 4 years. That's a hell of a lot of time for surgery which he should have carried out straight away. As I have written and heard from my friends in AIR HQ he is indecisive. He failed to grant complete OROP as per the resolution of two parliaments and now the veterans have filed a case in the Supreme Court which has been accepted as it "merited consideration." Modi is talking big but again he has not realized that Mao wrote a Nations respect is on its armed might. Trump said the same thing. Can you think of any similar action in USA, UK, Russia where soldiers have to go to court? For me, he is a failure and I will vote against him.