I am neither surprised nor am I shocked! If you have been studying the political landscape of Italy in recent years, its affairs are worse than any banana African republic. The political powers have been hijacked by a group of people of questionable credentials and why our apex court failed to factor in this aspect utterly beats me. We have been conned! About our government, what do I say? Cry my countrymen, cry!!!!

True, Italy has indeed become worse than those nations, and in spite of having so many wise and educated??? men in the government, how come we have been conned???? Or was it all deliberate to please someone in particular???

Italy is a sovereign country and it appears that there is nothing wrong so much with Indian government and judiciary relying on affidavit of Italian ambassador. The dead line for return of the accused marines is not yet over. Possibly Government may succeed in diplomatic efforts to get back the accused. If the Italian government and their ambassador fail in their commitment, India has some options to deal strictly in accordance with international law.

There is possibility of Italian Government and ambassador having misled the Indian government and court. By submitting his affidavit before supreme Court the Italian ambassador voluntarily surrendered his diplomatic immunity which he cannot now claim.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Did-Italy-mislead-apex-court-to-get-permission-for-marines/Article1-1026069.aspx

Fresh development has taken place. Apex Court has ruled that Italian ambassador cannot leave India.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/marines-case-italian-envoy-cant-leave-india-rules-sc_835249.html

In normal circumstances, such leniency is okay but when it involves wrongful killing of Indian citizens, should there have been such lenient terms and hospitable treatment for the accused?? If Italians have tried to mislead Indian governments, were our officials sleeping? Wasn't it their duty to keep their eyes open?
If you remember some years ago, a couple of French citizens were caught in the act of spying and they too managed to get away never to return. Isn't national security at stake and in spite of that incident, shouldn't the officials have been more vigilant now?

There can never be any excuses to what has already happened and I doubt if detaining their ambassador will serve any purpose!

The ambassador gave undertaking on which basis the apex court allowed parole to the Italian marines. The apex court has considered it proper to not allow the ambassador to leave the country. We cannot raise any issue over this decision.
Meanwhile Italian government has decided to take the issue to international forum for arbitration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Italy-to-seek-international-arbitration-on-naval-guards/articleshow/18969372.cms

Now the situation has reached an interesting stage. It remains to be seen how our lion- hearted Politicos at the helm of the affairs will tackle this.

Don't be surprised if you find them see off their ambassador with folded hands. As every one knows we are too big to deal such small things for practical purposes. We can roar bout roll back easily.

P.M. has rightly warned Italy of consequences of not sending back the accused in case of murder of Fishermen. We hope PO.M. will be as strict in action as he is in words. There is no reason why we should tolerate Italian deception.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/PM-warns-Italy-of-consequences-over-Italian-marines-issue/Article1-1025633.aspx

Very little hope that PMO will be strict in action.

P.M. has rightly warned Italy of consequences of not sending back the accused in case of murder of Fishermen. We hope PO.M. will be as strict in action as he is in words. There is no reason why we should tolerate Italian deception.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/PM-warns-Italy-of-consequences-over-Italian-marines-issue/Article1-1025633.aspx

Very little hope that PMO will be strict in action.

I don't think it is an easy process. It will take time and without strict action it's not possible.

I am neither surprised nor am I shocked! If you have been studying the political landscape of Italy in recent years, its affairs are worse than any banana African republic. The political powers have been hijacked by a group of people of questionable credentials and why our apex court failed to factor in this aspect utterly beats me. We have been conned! About our government, what do I say? Cry my countrymen, cry!!!!

True, Italy has indeed become worse than those nations, and in spite of having so many wise and educated??? men in the government, how come we have been conned???? Or was it all deliberate to please someone in particular???

Italy is a sovereign country and it appears that there is nothing wrong so much with Indian government and judiciary relying on affidavit of Italian ambassador. The dead line for return of the accused marines is not yet over. Possibly Government may succeed in diplomatic efforts to get back the accused. If the Italian government and their ambassador fail in their commitment, India has some options to deal strictly in accordance with international law.

There is possibility of Italian Government and ambassador having misled the Indian government and court. By submitting his affidavit before supreme Court the Italian ambassador voluntarily surrendered his diplomatic immunity which he cannot now claim.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Did-Italy-mislead-apex-court-to-get-permission-for-marines/Article1-1026069.aspx

Fresh development has taken place. Apex Court has ruled that Italian ambassador cannot leave India.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/marines-case-italian-envoy-cant-leave-india-rules-sc_835249.html

In normal circumstances, such leniency is okay but when it involves wrongful killing of Indian citizens, should there have been such lenient terms and hospitable treatment for the accused?? If Italians have tried to mislead Indian governments, were our officials sleeping? Wasn't it their duty to keep their eyes open?
If you remember some years ago, a couple of French citizens were caught in the act of spying and they too managed to get away never to return. Isn't national security at stake and in spite of that incident, shouldn't the officials have been more vigilant now?

There can never be any excuses to what has already happened and I doubt if detaining their ambassador will serve any purpose!

The ambassador gave undertaking on which basis the apex court allowed parole to the Italian marines. The apex court has considered it proper to not allow the ambassador to leave the country. We cannot raise any issue over this decision.
Meanwhile Italian government has decided to take the issue to international forum for arbitration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Italy-to-seek-international-arbitration-on-naval-guards/articleshow/18969372.cms

Now the situation has reached an interesting stage. It remains to be seen how our lion- hearted Politicos at the helm of the affairs will tackle this.

Don't be surprised if you find them see off their ambassador with folded hands. As every one knows we are too big to deal such small things for practical purposes. We can roar bout roll back easily.

How can I be surprised, when I know all about our ways of tackling such issues?

I am neither surprised nor am I shocked! If you have been studying the political landscape of Italy in recent years, its affairs are worse than any banana African republic. The political powers have been hijacked by a group of people of questionable credentials and why our apex court failed to factor in this aspect utterly beats me. We have been conned! About our government, what do I say? Cry my countrymen, cry!!!!

True, Italy has indeed become worse than those nations, and in spite of having so many wise and educated??? men in the government, how come we have been conned???? Or was it all deliberate to please someone in particular???

Italy is a sovereign country and it appears that there is nothing wrong so much with Indian government and judiciary relying on affidavit of Italian ambassador. The dead line for return of the accused marines is not yet over. Possibly Government may succeed in diplomatic efforts to get back the accused. If the Italian government and their ambassador fail in their commitment, India has some options to deal strictly in accordance with international law.

There is possibility of Italian Government and ambassador having misled the Indian government and court. By submitting his affidavit before supreme Court the Italian ambassador voluntarily surrendered his diplomatic immunity which he cannot now claim.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Did-Italy-mislead-apex-court-to-get-permission-for-marines/Article1-1026069.aspx

Fresh development has taken place. Apex Court has ruled that Italian ambassador cannot leave India.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/marines-case-italian-envoy-cant-leave-india-rules-sc_835249.html

In normal circumstances, such leniency is okay but when it involves wrongful killing of Indian citizens, should there have been such lenient terms and hospitable treatment for the accused?? If Italians have tried to mislead Indian governments, were our officials sleeping? Wasn't it their duty to keep their eyes open?
If you remember some years ago, a couple of French citizens were caught in the act of spying and they too managed to get away never to return. Isn't national security at stake and in spite of that incident, shouldn't the officials have been more vigilant now?

There can never be any excuses to what has already happened and I doubt if detaining their ambassador will serve any purpose!

The ambassador gave undertaking on which basis the apex court allowed parole to the Italian marines. The apex court has considered it proper to not allow the ambassador to leave the country. We cannot raise any issue over this decision.
Meanwhile Italian government has decided to take the issue to international forum for arbitration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Italy-to-seek-international-arbitration-on-naval-guards/articleshow/18969372.cms

Now the situation has reached an interesting stage. It remains to be seen how our lion- hearted Politicos at the helm of the affairs will tackle this.

Don't be surprised if you find them see off their ambassador with folded hands. As every one knows we are too big to deal such small things for practical purposes. We can roar bout roll back easily.

How can I be surprised, when I know all about our ways of tackling such issues?

As they say system does not work until you deal them as they deserve, Our governments either hesitate or too lenient to take quick action but linger on unless last moment when there is nothing left to do.

I am neither surprised nor am I shocked! If you have been studying the political landscape of Italy in recent years, its affairs are worse than any banana African republic. The political powers have been hijacked by a group of people of questionable credentials and why our apex court failed to factor in this aspect utterly beats me. We have been conned! About our government, what do I say? Cry my countrymen, cry!!!!

True, Italy has indeed become worse than those nations, and in spite of having so many wise and educated??? men in the government, how come we have been conned???? Or was it all deliberate to please someone in particular???

Italy is a sovereign country and it appears that there is nothing wrong so much with Indian government and judiciary relying on affidavit of Italian ambassador. The dead line for return of the accused marines is not yet over. Possibly Government may succeed in diplomatic efforts to get back the accused. If the Italian government and their ambassador fail in their commitment, India has some options to deal strictly in accordance with international law.

There is possibility of Italian Government and ambassador having misled the Indian government and court. By submitting his affidavit before supreme Court the Italian ambassador voluntarily surrendered his diplomatic immunity which he cannot now claim.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Did-Italy-mislead-apex-court-to-get-permission-for-marines/Article1-1026069.aspx

Fresh development has taken place. Apex Court has ruled that Italian ambassador cannot leave India.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/marines-case-italian-envoy-cant-leave-india-rules-sc_835249.html

In normal circumstances, such leniency is okay but when it involves wrongful killing of Indian citizens, should there have been such lenient terms and hospitable treatment for the accused?? If Italians have tried to mislead Indian governments, were our officials sleeping? Wasn't it their duty to keep their eyes open?
If you remember some years ago, a couple of French citizens were caught in the act of spying and they too managed to get away never to return. Isn't national security at stake and in spite of that incident, shouldn't the officials have been more vigilant now?

There can never be any excuses to what has already happened and I doubt if detaining their ambassador will serve any purpose!

The ambassador gave undertaking on which basis the apex court allowed parole to the Italian marines. The apex court has considered it proper to not allow the ambassador to leave the country. We cannot raise any issue over this decision.
Meanwhile Italian government has decided to take the issue to international forum for arbitration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Italy-to-seek-international-arbitration-on-naval-guards/articleshow/18969372.cms

Now the situation has reached an interesting stage. It remains to be seen how our lion- hearted Politicos at the helm of the affairs will tackle this.

Don't be surprised if you find them see off their ambassador with folded hands. As every one knows we are too big to deal such small things for practical purposes. We can roar bout roll back easily.

How can I be surprised, when I know all about our ways of tackling such issues?

As they say system does not work until you deal them as they deserve, Our governments either hesitate or too lenient to take quick action but linger on unless last moment when there is nothing left to do.

Another famous Indian government tactic is appoint a commission with members who are about to die in a day or two and forget about it.

I am neither surprised nor am I shocked! If you have been studying the political landscape of Italy in recent years, its affairs are worse than any banana African republic. The political powers have been hijacked by a group of people of questionable credentials and why our apex court failed to factor in this aspect utterly beats me. We have been conned! About our government, what do I say? Cry my countrymen, cry!!!!

True, Italy has indeed become worse than those nations, and in spite of having so many wise and educated??? men in the government, how come we have been conned???? Or was it all deliberate to please someone in particular???

Italy is a sovereign country and it appears that there is nothing wrong so much with Indian government and judiciary relying on affidavit of Italian ambassador. The dead line for return of the accused marines is not yet over. Possibly Government may succeed in diplomatic efforts to get back the accused. If the Italian government and their ambassador fail in their commitment, India has some options to deal strictly in accordance with international law.

There is possibility of Italian Government and ambassador having misled the Indian government and court. By submitting his affidavit before supreme Court the Italian ambassador voluntarily surrendered his diplomatic immunity which he cannot now claim.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Did-Italy-mislead-apex-court-to-get-permission-for-marines/Article1-1026069.aspx

Fresh development has taken place. Apex Court has ruled that Italian ambassador cannot leave India.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/marines-case-italian-envoy-cant-leave-india-rules-sc_835249.html

In normal circumstances, such leniency is okay but when it involves wrongful killing of Indian citizens, should there have been such lenient terms and hospitable treatment for the accused?? If Italians have tried to mislead Indian governments, were our officials sleeping? Wasn't it their duty to keep their eyes open?
If you remember some years ago, a couple of French citizens were caught in the act of spying and they too managed to get away never to return. Isn't national security at stake and in spite of that incident, shouldn't the officials have been more vigilant now?

There can never be any excuses to what has already happened and I doubt if detaining their ambassador will serve any purpose!

The ambassador gave undertaking on which basis the apex court allowed parole to the Italian marines. The apex court has considered it proper to not allow the ambassador to leave the country. We cannot raise any issue over this decision.
Meanwhile Italian government has decided to take the issue to international forum for arbitration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Italy-to-seek-international-arbitration-on-naval-guards/articleshow/18969372.cms

Now the situation has reached an interesting stage. It remains to be seen how our lion- hearted Politicos at the helm of the affairs will tackle this.

Don't be surprised if you find them see off their ambassador with folded hands. As every one knows we are too big to deal such small things for practical purposes. We can roar bout roll back easily.

How can I be surprised, when I know all about our ways of tackling such issues?

When these people are brought back, they will have to be fed at our (Indian Govt's) cost. Millions will be spent on them like Kasab. Are they better of there?

P.M. has rightly warned Italy of consequences of not sending back the accused in case of murder of Fishermen. We hope PO.M. will be as strict in action as he is in words. There is no reason why we should tolerate Italian deception.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/PM-warns-Italy-of-consequences-over-Italian-marines-issue/Article1-1025633.aspx

Very little hope that PMO will be strict in action.

I don't think it is an easy process. It will take time and without strict action it's not possible.

But if India government wants than they can took strict action, Now Supreme court stop to ambassdor of Italy to quit India.

P.M. has rightly warned Italy of consequences of not sending back the accused in case of murder of Fishermen. We hope PO.M. will be as strict in action as he is in words. There is no reason why we should tolerate Italian deception.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/PM-warns-Italy-of-consequences-over-Italian-marines-issue/Article1-1025633.aspx

The question is why were they let off in the first place? this always happens when an Italian is involved in India, earlier it was qutrocchi and now this, is there any connection ? :dry:

Exactly! What I find ridiculous in the first place is that these accused were first allowed to go home for Christmas after which they returned, then they were let go to allow them to vote in the elections in Italy after which they never returned. Also, during all this time they were given a five star treatment when actually they should have been treated like other accused. I wonder why they were fed with pastas, pizzas, kept in a post guesthouse etc. Sonia Gandhi ke maike ke log hain isliye???? :blink: :blink:

Now making a hue and cry about it is quite funny and stupid!

Kalyani the statements the congress leaders makes is even more stupid - they put the entire blame on BJP for raking up the issue, I dont support any party but this issue makes my blood boil, am sure so does every indians' except those who fall at madame's feet! Shame on the entire lot ! :angry:

Let us also see the ground reality. Supreme court has ruled that Kerala courts have no jurisdiction to try the case of Italian marines. No special courtas suggested by apex court has yet been established. Hence presently, there is no court that can try the accused.
Secondly, it is to be considered that the Italian marines had no enmity with the Kerla fishermen and they had mistaken them as sea pirates. The Italian marines were guards and they might have acted to the best of their judgment.
It is learnt that Italian Government has already paid Rs. one crore toeach of the killed fisherman and is willing to educate at govt cost the children of the deceased.
Italian government is willking for international arbitrartion.
Government of India must take everything in consideration and act in best interests of nation, the fishermen's family and all facts as well as international law.