Double stand on Tolerance vs Intolerance in India!

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Awards can be returned only once. How can these be returned again and again. secondly, killing of an individual at his residence in a planned way by making false announcement on village temple is not comparable to Malda incidents where crowd lost control. Also the protests were not only on killing of an individual in U.P. but these were also a reaction against pre-planned murders of authors/ rationalists in Karnataka  and Maharashtra. 

 

Exactly that was case related to illegal relations between a girl and a boy of different communities and few people planned it that way and killed accused, the case is entirely different from Maldah where the other community did it in planned manner and wiped out the entire area. There is no comparison. 

usha manohar wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

That is exactly what I was thinking ! Where are all the great writers and the so called rational thinkers and their award giving drama , in fact not a word from any one of them including Girish Karnad , who is always the first one to criticise ! It is totally missing this time round. I guess it is because TMC is not BJP, thats the only explanation I can think of ..

Its not because of TMC, it does not matter which party it is, but it is all about the truth the Hindus are at the receiving end in this instant and it is they who are having to flee with their lives. come on now, let us not blame Girish Karnad, for he is only one of the most intellectual and progressive creed, who speak and act in keeping with the times. Now, the times are all about slandering and persecuting Hindus in a silent mode and making loud noise when it is done to Muslims. Sic!

True Kalyani ! It has become a fad for Hindus to criticise fellow Hindus and they go to any extent to do that ! As far as Girish Karnad is concerned, he is perpetually putting his foot in the mouth, trying to show what a secular person he is...The latest was when he spoke about naming the Bangalore international airport after Tipu Sultan, who was as communal as any Mughal ruler could be. Karnad had to change his stand after the outcry ! I wonder why they come up with such outrageous statements in the first place ?

Usha, it is kind of a like a moral responsibility of these pesudo-socialists and modernists such as Girish Karnad to keep putting their foot in their mouths and make slanderous statements against Hindus, conveniently forgetting that they are Hindu themselves. It is my personal opinion that all such people should really be exiled from the country they so love to hate!

Today India is facing selective secularism which is dangerous for the security of our country.  People start feeling unequal, if only one community is favored in the name of secularism. Secularism means respecting beliefs of all communities, but in the name of secularism some people try to hurt sentiments of one community to please the vote bank from other community.

It's a known fact that Secularism in its true sense  offers equal opportunities irrespective of  caste , creed or religion. It is also a well known fact, how Secularism being raped, ravaged and distorted by the Politicians to form Vote Banks for their own survival.

If this vote bank politics end in India then India will grow much faster than now. India needs clean politics.

Of course, in order to take India in to the paths of progress, we need clean politics. No preferences. No priorities. Every citizen has to get opportunities without any discrimination. It's only then a Nation becomes healthy and strong. With these reforms, India in no time can become one of the advanced and well developed Nations.

The ordinary Indian understands secularism mucg better than us arm chair critics. Why do we repeatedly elect low grade politicians who let us down all the time.Many  More Maldas are waiting to happen. There is no central unifying force in Hinduism. It is truly  not a religion but a way of life. It is great for the individual but fails in groups. Another great reformer is needed. 

You say an ordinary citizen knows better tan the arm chair administrators. At the same time, you question why people elect low grade politicians. Ordinary people do not constitute electorate? It's because of these ordinary people, the Congress party has been kicked out unceremoniously. It's because of these ordinary people, a party like the BJP that works has been coronated.

Yes all the scoundrels in politics are elected by electorates. That is the dichotomy I was referring to. The ordinary folks are wise but elect politicians of dubious character and reputation. I do not agree that BJP is the only party that works. Other parties including Congress have also contributed to India's growth story. And they were also elected repeatedly by the same electorate. So let us not be judgmental. Yesterday someone has returned his award recd. from the Hyderabad University. So where is the tolerance vs intolerance debate going to go now.

When communal clashes occurred in Malda and Purnia, media and other news channels turned their eyes to avoid more problems even if some political parties have tried to build it up. According to media these places are crime-prone areas and so they didn't feel it was important to give too much publicity to this news. That was a conscious policy of the channel. 

 News is news, why should channels decide what to show and not show. Then they are biased. Malda should also be covered as was Dadri.

Jincy Aby wrote:

When communal clashes occurred in Malda and Purnia, media and other news channels turned their eyes to avoid more problems even if some political parties have tried to build it up. According to media these places are crime-prone areas and so they didn't feel it was important to give too much publicity to this news. That was a conscious policy of the channel. 

Like politicians are doing selective secularism, media is also showing selective news. Media has given focus on Dadri, but not on Malda or Purnia. One reason Dadri is near to Delhi and Malda is far distant place. Many students from various communities in many universities have committed suicide, but our media has only focused on Hyderabad because of TRP. Both our politicians and media have gone to their lowest level.

It is wrong to accuse media of going to their lowest levels. Your comments are a bit confusing. Media covers all cases of suicide but all cannot get same attention. Suicides by students in Kota are also highlighted but they do not involve any caste or religion bias and thus do not get added attention. Malda was covered by many channels and I saw it myself. BJP rightly raised the issue which TMC will naturally play down. It is the Dalit angle and the interference by Ministers that makes Hyderabad suicide get more attention. Why are you against politicians raising issues by visiting or otherwise. It is their job. 

You need to understand that the left liberals control the media all over the world. It is not just an issue in India but in UK, USA and Australia too. If you go through the American media you will understand that there Christians are mocked and targeted for even smaller issues and the Muslim extremism is justified for American white guilt. Recently in Germany when 1000 men from the MiddleEast and African origin molested german women on new years eve it was totally blacked out and covered up in the media for the sake of not highlighting the issue related to radical Islam. The feminists who jump on every small conclusion of men being bad but kept quiet for innocent german girls being hounded by radical Muslims on the new years night eve. So guys chill if you feel that Hindus are only been targeted. This is a pattern which is being followed in the entire world where native religion is mocked and jihad atrocities are justified for the sake of them being minorities. Hindus need not worry because Muslims ruled for 1000 years and Christians ruled for more than 200 years but could not convert entire India into their religion. These issues based on religion are brought in media to divert from important issues like economic policies and other development obstacles.

No force under the Sun can take away the sanctity of this great religion Hinduism. Hinduism is not religion but 5+ Millenniums of rich cultural heritage of all Indians. Of course there were several attempts to take away Hinduism's greatness by the invaders like Muslims and British. Criticisms by the opposition parties and their hired goons or press cannot make any dent on Hinduism. Artificially created crisis created by the erstwhile rulers, can simply be dismissed as mere hogwash.

rambabu wrote:

No force under the Sun can take away the sanctity of this great religion Hinduism. Hinduism is not religion but 5+ Millenniums of rich cultural heritage of all Indians. Of course there were several attempts to take away Hinduism's greatness by the invaders like Muslims and British. Criticisms by the opposition parties and their hired goons or press cannot make any dent on Hinduism. Artificially created crisis created by the erstwhile rulers, can simply be dismissed as mere hogwash.

This looks funny. Nobody ever invaded India to destroy Hinduism. Many from far off places invaded for territorial and imperialist ambitions and not for destroying Hinduism. The wars were between kings and religion played no role. The Muslim rulers had Hindu generals and ministers whereas many Hindu rulers had Muslim soldiers and ministers. Even during war between Rana Pratap and Akbar, there was man Singh in akbar's army  and some Muslim general in Pratap's army. Apparently, the saffron brigade attempts to rewrite history in a tainted communal way. The British never attempted to destroy Hindu religion and establish Christianity. They rather always tried not to disturb Hindu rituals even if inhuman. Even Sati system was abolished only at insistence of Hindu social reformer Raja ram Mohan Roy. 

 

Harm to Hinduism cannot come from outsiders but comes from within due to caste system, dowry system, child marriages, temple entry issues, treatment of women. It is these which should be tackled on war footing. The Muslims are taking care of themselves by eliminating each other. 

One thing which Gulshan Kumar says is correct. The British and even the Muslims never wanted to destroy hinduism. They only , (particularly the Muslims) practiced discrimination. If Muslims wanted they could have converted entire India to Muslim faith, this is a fact. Muslims wanted only to be rulers and have royal life. they were helped by the "Ji Huzoori" attitude of Hindu masses.

So should we blame Muslims or strengthen our religion?

MG Singh wrote:

One thing which Gulshan Kumar says is correct. The British and even the Muslims never wanted to destroy hinduism. They only , (particularly the Muslims) practiced discrimination. If Muslims wanted they could have converted entire India to Muslim faith, this is a fact. Muslims wanted only to be rulers and have royal life. they were helped by the "Ji Huzoori" attitude of Hindu masses.

I agree with that, even today one can notice this subservient attitude in Indians when they suck up to Westerners and look down upon Blacks ..I have seen this happening and feel we have to blame ourselves for what happened and how easy a target we were for the ruthless Mughals and the cunning British ! We as a nation still continue to be the same even now ..