Akbar the Great!

rambabu wrote:

That will be decided by the eminent Historians. If there is a need to add to the list of Prominent people, they will take a decision.

 

Once a person is decided great by historians then it should be changed as then question arises why they decided to give him the title before.

Does any of you know the meaning of what is written in the below mentioned statement?

Khabardar sahiban nazren neechee - Jille Elahi, Shan-e-Hind, Azeem-O-Shaan- Shahenshahon ke Shahenshah Jalaluddin Mohammed Akbar Darbar me Tashreef la rahe hain!

The above bold lettered title was not conferred on Akbar by the historians but his own servants and courtiers so he was bound to be great. Now decide for yourself the chobdars who used to announce Akbars' arrival in the court were really able to see in the future who knew at that time itself that he will become GREAT one day.

Besides we were never short of traitors (we still are not) especially Hindus who would do anything in their self interest to support them for self gain or to show their secularism which has left this country in the stage that it is in today.

''Which has left this country in the stage that it is in today''. I couldn't get it. It's written in history books that Akbar never differentiate Hindus being a mughal. He treated Hinduism equally. I would call him great because I never heard any Muslim king doing the same. 

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

''Which has left this country in the stage that it is in today''. I couldn't get it. It's written in history books that Akbar never differentiate Hindus being a mughal. He treated Hinduism equally. I would call him great because I never heard any Muslim king doing the same. 

 

Just because an invader treated you cleverly he became GREAT- really great philosophy!

 

 

suni51 wrote:

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

''Which has left this country in the stage that it is in today''. I couldn't get it. It's written in history books that Akbar never differentiate Hindus being a mughal. He treated Hinduism equally. I would call him great because I never heard any Muslim king doing the same. 

 

Just because an invader treated you cleverly he became GREAT- really great philosophy!

 

He would have made all Hindus Muslim like aurengzeb tried to do in his dynasty but he did not. Don't you think he could have done it forcibly.;-)

 

 

 

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

''Which has left this country in the stage that it is in today''. I couldn't get it. It's written in history books that Akbar never differentiate Hindus being a mughal. He treated Hinduism equally. I would call him great because I never heard any Muslim king doing the same. 

 

Just because an invader treated you cleverly he became GREAT- really great philosophy!

 

He would have made all Hindus Muslim like aurengzeb tried to do in his dynasty but he did not. Don't you think he could have done it forcibly.;-)

 

No he could not, that's where people like Maharana Pratap and Sikh Gurus were played their role. He had to play carefully which he did and you thought he was a great humanitarian. He was a clever king that's all.

 

 

 

 

suni51 wrote:

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

''Which has left this country in the stage that it is in today''. I couldn't get it. It's written in history books that Akbar never differentiate Hindus being a mughal. He treated Hinduism equally. I would call him great because I never heard any Muslim king doing the same. 

 

Just because an invader treated you cleverly he became GREAT- really great philosophy!

 

He would have made all Hindus Muslim like aurengzeb tried to do in his dynasty but he did not. Don't you think he could have done it forcibly.;-)

 

No he could not, that's where people like Maharana Pratap and Sikh Gurus were played their role. He had to play carefully which he did and you thought he was a great humanitarian. He was a clever king that's all.

 

"He would have made all Hindus into Muslims." is a speculation and presumption . History sees the final product. It doesn't have a place for speculations and unfounded fears.

 

 

 

 

 

Who says this is speculation Aurangzeb tried it but couldn't succeed. Akbar never thought of this that's the reason he allowed her wife jodha to have a temple in his Mahal.

Akbar's title of "the great' is now contested as many feel he was not so great. In fact he carried out massacre of a lot of hindus and in addition there is an incident when he wished to take his friends for an outing to see the spectacle of Sati. Not a sign of greatness. even his abolition of Jizzia was more on paper than reality. in fact he had banned it thrice and no result.

Please read http://hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/akbar_vs.html

Who gave the title to Akbar ' the Great" . how many are aware ?  The title came to be used only in thirties and became full blown after 1947 as per the education policy of Congress. Many European and American  historians  like Will Durant have classified Akbar only a let less sanguine than other Mughals.

@MG Singh  thanks it is significant revelations, I never knew it and thanks for updating, that is why time and again I called it history to be written by neutral historians they should not be inclined to center, left and right centric thoughts so that true picture would be reaching out to masses.

MG Singh wrote:

Who gave the title to Akbar ' the Great" . how many are aware ?  The title came to be used only in thirties and became full blown after 1947 as per the education policy of Congress. Many European and American  historians  like Will Durant have classified Akbar only a let less sanguine than other Mughals.

That is the absolute truth and yet people will glare at you as if you have killed someone when you say that Akbar the Great was not great! What is even more irksome is the fact that history textbooks that are being taught in schools nowadays are filled with pages and pages of greatness and bravery of MUghal emperors, Nehru, Gandhi and similar and real warriors of freedom such as Mahrana Pratap, Shivaji Maharaj, The Peshwas, Rani Laxmibai, Bhagat Singh, Rajgur, Sukhdeo, Savarkar, Bal Gangadhar Tilak and so many more concluded in a one or two paragraphs.

Jodhaa Akbar is a good movie to exemplify his life and it is a treat to watch. A good ruler, a good human.

epraneeth77 wrote:

Jodhaa Akbar is a good movie to exemplify his life and it is a treat to watch. A good ruler, a good human.

Jodha Akbar movie is nothing but a Bollywood romance and has little to do with real history. Just because a movie portrays him as a good man or a good ruler does not mean it is true. It is just a movie. Do read the link provided by MG Singh for some true facts.

Absolutely. We cannot conclude just by seeing a Bollywood movie where most of the things are manipulated. But that's true Akbar was the only mughal emperor in whose dynasty Hindus grew otherwise no mughal emperor thought good for Hindus.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

epraneeth77 wrote:

Jodhaa Akbar is a good movie to exemplify his life and it is a treat to watch. A good ruler, a good human.

Jodha Akbar movie is nothing but a Bollywood romance and has little to do with real history. Just because a movie portrays him as a good man or a good ruler does not mean it is true. It is just a movie. Do read the link provided by MG Singh for some true facts.

Thank you for enlightening me on that note uncle. Never thought that a movie will be manipulated. May be Jodhaa Akbar not a biopic uncle... Mary Kom and Bhaag Milka Bhaag are real i guess..

@ Kalyani. There is also no credit given to the greatest revolutionary of all Subhas Bose.

epraneeth77 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

epraneeth77 wrote:

Jodhaa Akbar is a good movie to exemplify his life and it is a treat to watch. A good ruler, a good human.

Jodha Akbar movie is nothing but a Bollywood romance and has little to do with real history. Just because a movie portrays him as a good man or a good ruler does not mean it is true. It is just a movie. Do read the link provided by MG Singh for some true facts.

Thank you for enlightening me on that note uncle. Never thought that a movie will be manipulated. May be Jodhaa Akbar not a biopic uncle... Mary Kom and Bhaag Milka Bhaag are real i guess..

epraneeth, there is a great difference between the movies such as Jodha AKbar on one side Mary Kom and Bhaag Milkha Bhaag. While the latter true were based on contemporary celebrities stories of which could not be tweaked too much for fear of retribution from the celebrities themselves and their relatives. Jodha Akbar, on the other hand was based on history but the makers did not bother to research much apart from costumes and jewellery. They were busy producing only a silly Bollywood romance.  There is a real difference.

@MG Singh, yes, I missed out Netaji;'s name but is inclusive in my list of the neglected ! There are so many more which have never been taught to our children.

@MG I don't say Subhash Chandra Bose was not great he of course was great but there are other freedom fighters too like Bhagat Singh, chadershekhar azad and many more so every one should be given that tittle.

Sanjeev Gupta wrote:

@MG I don't say Subhash Chandra Bose was not great he of course was great but there are other freedom fighters too like Bhagat Singh, chadershekhar azad and many more so every one should be given that tittle.

True...fact is all the hundreds of freedom fighters are great, it was because of their sacrifice that we saw the light of independence. But what I want to personally say is that we don't need to fight for the titles to be bestowed to them. All we need to do is teach the history unbiased, as it was, to our children adn not tweak and change to suit the convenience of few and to soothe egos of certain communities.