anna nahi ye andhi hai...desh ka doosra gandhi hai!!

Deven; We are in parliamentary system. You say that half of members of parliament are corrupt. Why so?. As the people are corrupt, they elect those who are truly their representative. If the people are corrupt, they give bribe for their own benefit, they will not grudge. People even accept liqueur and cash for votes.

Corruption is like dowry system. The dowry giver and taker are same. similarly, bribe taker and giver are same. The corrupt are everywhere- government, politics, business, temples, hospitals, education. Most of corruption is consensual. So, nobody will lodge complaint. If people do not complain, even Lok pal, howsoever strong will do nothing.

i may give some examples: You are in train without ticket or invalid ticket are traveling in higher class. The TTE can allow you on payment of fare and fine. But you and TTE both agree for a lesser amount that goes to TTE pocket. You and TTE both are benefited by this. who will complain and why? similarly, you go to market and buy something without a cash memo to save sales tax and other taxes. This is corruption. who will complain and why. You are involved in a quarrel and arrested by police. You do not want to go to jail even for a day and face court. so you bribe police. who will complain and why?. You park vehicle at a wrong place. In short, people give bribe for their own benefit and they will not complain. No complaint no action.

There are no separate classes of bribe givers and bribe takers. Even the crowd managed by Anna does not constitute honest people. I feel that if Anna advises his own team and the crowd managed by him to observe total honesty, corruption may be removed to some extent.

As regards how to remove corruption, those who are sincere in removing this should begin at their home. Most young men want motor car or bike on their marriage. Most likely these demands can be met only by the corrupt. If you wish to fight corruption, promote austerity, abolish dowry and heavy expenses on marriages and death functions. Money on such occasions is sourced by corruption. The Anna group pays lip service. His team only generates lawlessness and nuisance and they are themselves not free themselves from corruption.

Infact I strongly agree with Gulshanji's opinions

More than 90% of the 545 members of the Lower House of the Parliament are corrupt,no wonder even the successors become corrupt.

India has not achieved freedom from corruption yet.

Coming to think of it,

Why dont Gulshan ji start an anti corruption movement?

It will be called as ' Gulshan India ' Movement :)

Coming to think of it,

Why dont Gulshan ji start an anti corruption movement?

It will be called as ' Gulshan India ' Movement :)

Swetha. I will never name any movement after me. My advice in short is: begin with yourself and your home and family. Be honest yourself. complain. Complaints are most important. If you do not complain, nothing will happen.

There is already complaint redress system that works. when I retired, my pension was not properly fixed. I did not bribe. I wrote letters to authorities and my job was done. Recently, Here some tax payers complained to vigilance commission and suitable inquiry and action was taken. Once my father's Income Tax Refund was over delayed and we did not pay bribe. I just wrote a letter to CBDT and the refund was got within a week.

So Lok pal or no Lok Pal. Do not indulge in corruption yourself and always complain to concerned higher authorities. Action is taken.

When there is consensual corruption, nobody will complain and nothing can be done- Lok Pal or no Lok pal.

Incidentally, I have given you thank you message and increased your point. If this is corruption, to whom will you complain and why.

yes Gulshan ji,

I agree with you.But how far is this applicable?

I faced a lot of hurdles to get a temporary driving licence and also a permanent driving licence. I had to cancel my appointments 3 times and then I got one appointment for test driving that too by bribing!!!!

There was another hurdle in getting my degree convocation.For two years I was searching ways and means of getting my convocation,finally I had to cancel my DD and pay online.

I donot know why the young and the old have to suffer!

Swetha Ji. Most people bribe and hence this is customary. As regards driving licence, people find it convenient to pay some cash and get this without any test in the comfort of home. At Agra, there are many RTO consultants who will do all formalities and you will get the licence without going anywhere. Thus not only RTO staff but even the vehicle owners are involved in corruption. so neither the RTO staff nor vehicle owners will complain as this is mutual.

However, you may make complaint to vigilance commissioner of India or state as the case may be and suitable action will be taken.

i agree with most of gulshan ji's thoughts..especially those about corruption..but calling anna's team corrupt without any facts backing it up is just not done..
And i agree with swetha that gulshan ji shall start a movement..and i will truely support it.

Certainly yes. Anna is struggling for a good cause. I support him completely.

yes i am also with anna hazare but in my town there is no protestation against the corruption how could i give my contribution.

Yes, I am also with anna hazare.

He do great job.

Corruption in India are major concerns.

I don't wish to politicise the issue.What he raised is OK.BUt now it is time to co-operate with govt.

i agree with most of gulshan ji's thoughts..especially those about corruption..but calling anna's team corrupt without any facts backing it up is just not done..
And i agree with swetha that gulshan ji shall start a movement..and i will truely support it.

Deven I do not doubt anna's integrity and honesty. Congress spokes person has said so. I do not agree. Only, I feel that most of us are dishonest and mere Lok pal will not help. It is most important that we should not indulge in corruption and make complaint to vigilance authorities and other authorities. all those who support the anna movement are not honest.

I repeat I believe anna is personally good and it is not right to arrest him and others. He has right for meeting and protest.

co operate with the govt?? anna got arrested even before he sat for his anshan..if we call that cooperation then we might as well call india undemocratic.

I think we all edicted with politics. No one going to clear corruption till youth comes in front.

co operate with the govt?? anna got arrested even before he sat for his anshan..if we call that cooperation then we might as well call india undemocratic.

Deven- Abid asked about cooperation before Anna was arrested. The arrest and not allowing fast and meeting is not good. even if we disagree with some one, he must be allowed to speak, hold meeting and protest peacefully.

yes i am with anna hazare. yesterday morning i have listened his speech . his speech was too innovative and courageous.

well then maybe now abid's thoughts might differ.
i mean how more coward can they get..anna's anshan was going to be totally non violent..i really wish i was 18 the last time elections were held..would have never voted for this government.

Jailer to KASAB: y r u so happy???Kasab : I am not Indian, I Hate India, I killed Indians,
but I am sure I am safe in
India.??
.
.
Journalist to Anna Hazare : y are
u so sad???
Anna : I am Indian, I love my
India n Indians,
but I am not sure when I wil b
killed.??
.
.
This is INDIA.!
.
Forward this message as far as you can and help ANNA HAZARE win the battle. . .
Thank you!

Jailer to KASAB: y r u so happy???Kasab : I am not Indian, I Hate India, I killed Indians,
but I am sure I am safe in
India.??
.
.
Journalist to Anna Hazare : y are
u so sad???
Anna : I am Indian, I love my
India n Indians,
but I am not sure when I wil b
killed.??
.

.
This is INDIA.!
.
Forward this message as far as you can and help ANNA HAZARE win the battle. . .
Thank you!

This is not apt. The Delhi police dealt with team anna in Gandhian non violent way. The police did not even carry lathis. This is unique. Delhi police deserve all praise for their so gentle and unusual Gandhian conduct while dealing with dissident demonstrators.

It is satisfying that finally an agreement is reached for alternate site for a fortnight for fast.

But there must be an end. Team anna is not justified in carrying out the movement for Jan Lok Pal Bill. Parliament alone has authority to make law. A democracy is run constitutionally and through parliament and not by mobs. The mobs do not majority support. Continuance of the Hazare movement in spite of Lok Pal Bill having been presented to parliament is definitely meaningless, purposeless, irrational and mockery of parliamentary democracy. Those silently sitting in home and having genuine faith in parliamentary democracy far outnumber the activists mobbing the streets.

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