Do we need them? Have your say dear members

Strikes and Dharnas make economy a mess. I need not stress the importance of Economy in making a country march towards development and Growth. So, I wish to see a Government sans Strikes and Dharnas and the political Leaders who encourage Strikes and Dharnas which are divisive and breaks the Backbone of economy should be banned. To express any kind of discontentment, Parliament alone should be made the stage to resolve the crisis. Every person worth his salt should not take the law in his hands and give a clarion call, " Ab Chalo Bandh Kiya Jaay".

People like Hardik are teaching a lesson to us and our government that the reservation based cast should be cancelled immediately else people from other communities will start their movements like Hardik and will create difficulty for public and government. The Hardik movement in Gujrat has destroyed public property on a large scale and also public working in private sector are effected by this agitation.

Anarchism can never be accepted . Government has to put an end to this with discussions first and forcefully if needed. Demand for 'reservations' cause friction between castes and classes leading to discrimination which a progressive Nation can never encourage. This would further lead to ' Anti -quota' stirs as seen earlier. There is no end to such demands and if the Govt doesn't take strict action, things are bound to go haywire.

The word reservation itself gives the feel of being demeaned. It is true that those who avail an opportunity under reservation policy feel great to join an esteemed college or get a job.  This is a great benefit for the applicants who come under the reserved category but on the other hand they forget that they welcome huge criticism from various quarters. The applicants who are truly worthy but remain deprived of an opportunity only because the Indian law makes a privileged way for the students with less talent. They would avail the best resource without their capability which is unacceptable. What a sarcasm!

This tragedy is basically never ending because the deprived lot has got no say in this country. Though unreasonable, the meritorious students of the general category have to bite the dust. It happens only because the administration is not bothered to raise the quality of its educated citizens and later lacks the quality job holders. See for example an eighty percent holder gets rejected in getting admission to a reputed college while a student of reserved category gets enrolled in the same college with just forty-five percent in his/her kitty. Does this low grader has the potential to become a quality achiever and a professional?

Providing education should be must till school level and thereafter the ability of an applicant should be the decisive factor. The selection should be entirely based upon the potential of the candidate and reservation policy must not pose any threat to the meritorious lot. This is how India can progress fast and rise high. Reservation is not a sign of progress and it has to be understood that it promotes discrimination among its citizens which in return creates rift among them, quality progress gets obstructed and on the whole India as a nation starts marching towards dark ages.

Thus, the people who come out on the street and create chaos in favour of reservation system are only bothered about their personal benefit on the basis of caste and not thinking about India at large.

Opportunist Politicians are always on the look out for greener avenues. Their concerns and interests always revolve around on only one aspect,  " What's in it for me ?"This category of politicians are a menace to Democracy. People select and elect their representatives who sticks to ideologies that promote their interests. In this process people will be disgusted to know their candidate who was elected by them is hopping from one  party to the other searching to serve his own interests, ignoring those innocent unsuspecting people who gave them the power. This kind of opportunist politicians who jump from one party to the other should be banned for life making ineligible for entering the politics.

This kind of unethical politics should be dealt with an Iron hand by the Government.

While I am against reservation, it is still necessary for certain classes of people who are way way below the poverty line such as the people who wander through the country in search of employment on seasonal basis such as labourers brought in from various parts for harvesting sugarcane during winter season, children of communities labeled criminals by the British and are still described so in spite of having got independence 65 years ago, people performing acrobatics on streets etc. Reservation for such children is necessary to ensure they get education and also financial assistance to a certain limit. What we now see is people who are financially very sound, use flashy, expensive cars daily still get all reservation benefits because of their caste.

What we need is a system that will meticulously conduct research and surveys of such people, and please do not engage teachers for that job, there are numerous educated, unemployed, able youth who can do it and prepare a realistic statistical report of people who really needs reservation. This should be for basic education upto 10th or 12th std and vocational trades such as carpenters, blacksmiths, leather works etc. Beyond that, higher education should be purely on merit and financial assistance to be given only to the deserving and needy. NO reservation in jobs, that will ensure quality of workforce.

It will certainly not be liked by many but needs to be enforced because people have gotten into the habit of not taking efforts and working hard, which will take some to get used to. But down the line, cultivating the habit of working hard without any benefits of being in particualr class or caste, is what will take our country towards real progress.

Everyone like Hardik first says that he will not going to join politics, but at last everyone either join some political party or form his own political party. Such anarchist first play with the feelings of people, promise them that they will fight against system, corruption and will put all politicians in jail if they win with majority and form their own government. But when these type of people come in government, they start doing their work like other corrupt politicians doing.

Our government shout take strong actions against these anarchists who are destroying public property by Dharnas, and movements.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

While I am against reservation, it is still necessary for certain classes of people who are way way below the poverty line such as the people who wander through the country in search of employment on seasonal basis such as labourers brought in from various parts for harvesting sugarcane during winter season, children of communities labeled criminals by the British and are still described so in spite of having got independence 65 years ago, people performing acrobatics on streets etc. Reservation for such children is necessary to ensure they get education and also financial assistance to a certain limit. What we now see is people who are financially very sound, use flashy, expensive cars daily still get all reservation benefits because of their caste.

 

What we need is a system that will meticulously conduct research and surveys of such people, and please do not engage teachers for that job, there are numerous educated, unemployed, able youth who can do it and prepare a realistic statistical report of people who really needs reservation. This should be for basic education upto 10th or 12th std and vocational trades such as carpenters, blacksmiths, leather works etc. Beyond that, higher education should be purely on merit and financial assistance to be given only to the deserving and needy. NO reservation in jobs, that will ensure quality of workforce.

It will certainly not be liked by many but needs to be enforced because people have gotten into the habit of not taking efforts and working hard, which will take some to get used to. But down the line, cultivating the habit of working hard without any benefits of being in particualr class or caste, is what will take our country towards real progress.

 

Your post reminds about the Indian Bihari community sent to different West Indian islands for harvesting sugarcane by British centuries ago. Those Indians are doing great in every field of life without any reservation. 

The Reservation system when started way back in the 50s post independence was with the intention of bringing the neglected section to the forefront as they needed the push, but now we are into the 69th year of independence and still seem to be in need to support that section with "reservations' and quotas. Instead of having reservations and causing divisiveness would it not be more logical to give compulsory education to all irrespective of their caste and class with monitory support where required based on family income with strict laws against keeping children at home at least till they cross the primary level and thereafter based on their merit they should be screened and filtered. Those with potential but below poverty line can be provided scholarships till they complete their Education. Govt does need to look deeply into it.

@Sunil, those people are indeed doing great in West Indies and other far flung countries of the world where they were taken as common labourers because eventually they were absorbed in the local communities, educated and emancipated and became an integral part of those respective communities. Sugarcane labourers in India, on the contrary, still live in temporary shacks made from woven mats, move around from plantation to plantation during each season, are exploited financially by the contractors, the contractors sexually molest and harass their women etc. the list is endless. On even a slightest hint of revolt or demand fro justice, the whole settlement of labourers is burned overnight as a lesson. So if anyone needs reservation, it is these people and similar other types of communities that suffer the same fate.

Anarchy is a response to extreme suppression by the oppressed. However the Indian oppressed have tremendous tolerance. They have  been subjected to exploitation forgenerations and their energy tofight back is totally finished. I concur with @ Kalyani's above post. I have also seen in Eastern UP how the contractors in connivance with officials exploit extremely poor tribals even sexually. They are treated worsethan animals. Yet it is strange that relatively well off Patels / Gurjars / Jats / Maratthas want resevation. In fact reservation should for the downtrodden SC, ST & physically handicapped and the young jawans who retire in their thirties and are a discilined and trained resource. It is such class which should rise for its rights and not the already privileged  Anarchy fromm such groups will result in improvement.

Hate politics is an immoral activity of the highest order practiced by our politicians to get that mileage in order to stick to power. This is undesirable. This type of strategy sets a bad example. People are carried away by the politicians speeches because they elected their leaders and firmly believe whatever their leaders say as true. Thus the politicians use unsuspecting people who elected them as the pawns to achieve their ends. . This is the very factor that contributes to Instability in all spheres of activity.

This is what i do not expect to see in a democratic set up. I expect that ideal democratic system that's free from these pseudo and greedy politicians.

 Even Satan shudders to see such Government with these disease spreading worms.

Reservation is the main obstacle in the progress of our country. Our country will not progress well, till we have reservation in our system. Reservation should be completely removed from our system and people who are demanding for reservation should be tackled strictly by our government. What Hardik Patel have done in last few days? Only loss to our economy and public property. Such people should not be allowed to do strikes and movements and should be handled strictly.

Even after more than 6 decades of independence, the citizens of our country are still not on the same page in terms of fundamental rights such as food, shelter, security and sanitation. While reservation did work for a few, it should have been hardlined that once the benefactors obtained the desired education and became financially settled, they should have surrendered their reservation facilities so that those facilities may be extended to other deserving. However, those people rose above their lowly beginnings, obtained education, homes, money, good jobs, everything they wanted, and they still avail reservation facilities which puts great strain on the economics of our country. Reservation cannot be completely done away at this point, but the whole basis on which rests needs to be scrapped and reevaluated. Strictly speaking, only the people below poverty line should be given reservation facilities. Currently, it is not reservation per se that is behind the problems of anarchy we are seeing, but the corruption that is happening under the guise of reservation.

So far as the anarchic situation that we are seeing today created by Hardick Patel, it is evident that the brains behind his agitation belong to someone else, not Hardick and we need not guess who it might be. It is nothing but another attempt to sideline people's attention from more concerning issues of corruption, famine, etc. 

Someone has very aptly put it right when he said that Reservations demanded by upper castes is a case of greed and not need. However it must not be forgotten that caste bias is very much prevalent in our society and can play havoc in times of recruitment. I have myself seen caste bias being openly exhibited during job interview in favor of upper caste candidates. So some per cent of seats and jobs have to be reserved for socially backward and marginalised communities and physically handicapped and ex servicemen who retire in their thirties. The benefit of reservation should be given only to one generation and not subsequent  ones to ensure fair distribution within the eligible sections and also bring more equality in the society. The agitation by Patels is in a way a blackmail tactic for having supported the ruling party formore than two decades. It is a form of anarchy which should be rejected lock, stock and barrel.

Decades ago, mass demonstrations were used mainly to bring attention of the world to social injustices, in fights for basic human rights and various other social causes in an attempt to bring equality in all walks and facets of life. In the 80s such demonstrations and agitations were mainly to fight for rights of earning livelihood for the blue collar working classes who were being exploited by the rich industry owners. Then, such demonstrations, although anarchic in nature, certainly had something worthwhile to fight for.

Now, what we are seeing is demonstration by a community of people who is already rich and affluent with most of the members being in the super super rich category. They owns acres and acres of farmlands, factories and a variety of other businesses, so to speak, the community has all 'five of their fingers in the ghee'. And yet, they want reservation. And to get it, they are stopping at nothing, already they caused damage to public property to the tune of nearly 12 crores with the figures piling up more and more as each day more and more trains are getting canceled. People, businesses are all suffering in a big way. If at all, government bows down and grants them what they want, will the Patel community including the GUjjars, Jaats and Marathas from all over country pay and make up for these losses? NO, they will certainly only snatch and grab what they can lay their hands on/ So such damaging agitation certainly needs to be squashed in time because the reason is simply not worthwhile.

At present the Patel agitation is at rest. Government response will depend upon the intensity and support it will be able to gather when it enters the second phase. Already there are indications that affected OBC sections are planning counter agitations. In the long run it will turn out to be a battle of attrition with loss to humans and property. If I know the Patels well they have tremendous unity among themselves and NRI support is also available liberally. They can muster financial support from within and rich NRI's. It is the latter support which was used by the BJP gainfully. So it is now quid pro quid. Therefore government will be in a tight corner if Patels are able to launch a very sustained agitation. The political masters in Gujarat and Center both will get affected and thus some sort of pacification will take place. Will it be in form of reservation or something else will depend on the intensity and support Patel's are able to garner. 

India has reservation policy which is based on caste system and I am against it. Long ago people of the so called upper caste stopped people of the so called lower caste from entering the temples, did not allow them to drink water from specific ponds, even they were not allowed to walk beside them and what not were all ridiculous practices. It was basically a custom of demeaning another human being. I always feel hurt that how some people can be so degraded in their activity that they fail to respect other fellow human beings. Now, there is another kind of discrimination which is gaining popularity everyday. Earlier, it was a section of people who themselves created discrimination among the fellow beings and considered themselves supreme but now, it's the government who is indulging into discrimination among the countrymen. Through this they are hitting one section of people below the belt. The only difference is that the people standing at the receiving end is from that group whose predecessors at sometime oppressed the other section. Ultimately. it's reservation which was once man made and now it's made by government. In every way it's wrong. Promoting someone does not mean that another section has to be pulled down. You see, students fail in their examination if they write it without preparation. Do the teachers fail the students on the basis of caste or only on the basis of knowledge? The evaluation is always made on the basis of knowledge then how can such a rule be applied which gives preference on the basis of caste for getting admission in college and to have a job. This will have a very bad repercussion one day and India will loose its peace.

What is anarchy and what is not, it all depends on how do we perceive it.In a democratic dispensation such bouts of unrest and turbulence are safety valves, allowing the potentially destructive and excessive steam to spend itself for stabilisation. Now coming to the rationale behind the policy of reservation. None amongst us is opposed to it and its relevance as an instrument of social justice could hardly be questioned but all problems stem from its perverse implementation and here lies the danger.We are sitting atop a powder keg, so to speak. The economic criterion should be the sole basis, otherwise we are driving the bulging brigades of bright boys and girls whose collective negative energies can tear the country apart. Hardik Patels are symptoms not the disease. Backwardness is an emotive issue in India and some shrewd, yet immoral leaders of several backward communities exploited this issue to good effect to advance their political career but what is so reprehensible about them is that these nimble-footed rank opportunists ditch their communities once their ends are achieved. I have Lalu,Mayavati,Ram Vilas  et al.

No country can progress when anarchism is at its peak. In my first answer of this thread I have supported anarchism. Now, it sounds like a contradiction on my part. No, I am not insane to support unrest but it has to be understood on a simple backdrop. Those who are forcefully wronged due to bad policy will not tolerate after a certain point of time. One aspect that the lawmakers forget is when dreams get shattered then revolution takes place.                                                                                                                                                                               The students or the job seekers whose ability is much above the average level can turn their agitation against reservation into a huge one just because they do not lack brains. The main point is if a below standard person gets what he/she does not deserve then it must be protested. 

Those who come from economically weaker section (EWS)  they definitely deserve some reservation but imagine those who are from stable economic condition gets the benefit of reservation. I want to ask the lawmakers that, why, did the affluent people of the reserved caste did not study well before the examination. Isn't it that they take the advantage of the reservation policy for granted? Recently, in Delhi a racket busted out which had misused the quota system and enrolled the students under the EWS scheme from some wealthy lot. Then what's the use of such policies which do not serve the right purpose. 

The reservation policy on caste basis is nothing but an oppression. India is at loss because the aspirants with low IQ and below average academic performance cannot brighten the future. Even the number of brain drain increases because when the seekers do not enjoy a position of their ability then who can stop them from flocking towards west. 

Thus, agitation is not healthy for a country but it cannot be avoided when some wrong is meted out to a section of countrymen on the basis of caste system. Wrong agitation cannot be entertained but unconditional support must be extended to those who raise their voice against disgusting policies.