Swami Ramdev, ths saffron saint who worked tirelessly for saffron victory in last elections has called for boycott of makers of the movie PK. This is what the saffron block is for doing to all dissenters and will not allow freedom of expression and art. In case saffron bloc gets absolute majority, we can well fear total destruction of individual freedom and democracy.
mohan manohar wrote:I think atheist persons should not tilt towards any colors, and in movie pk the character is atheist from alien but criticizing a single sect seems to be order of the day in Bollywood.
The alien character has questioned Hindus, Sikhs and Muslim sects. Does questioning godmen for fooling the people amount to criticising religion. Should society move towards rationalism or go deeper into dogmatism.
vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
Thank you for the suggestion. Usually I see movies only on U tube. Presently, it is not available. I shal definitely see the movie online when available. However I feel that censor board has already passed the movie and this has run for considerable period. The agitation has onl helped the movie getting more viewers. Surprisingly, the general public are not showing any anger against the movie. It is only the professional Hindutva organization who are making so much noise. This is also a matter for consideration.
It would be a good idea to see PK in a theater after a long time. It has collected worldwide a sum of Rs 300 cr + in a matter of 10 days. I saw it in a multiplex and after a long time on a working Monday in a noon show the theater was nearly houseful and what was surprising was that at a few scenes there was clapping in the hall. If the idea propagated in the movie catches on so many godmen will be out of business and Hinduism will flourish in a much healthier manner. The protest is financial in nature under the garb of religion.
PK has collected 330 crore? I am not surprised!
My simple query- why is Taslima Nasreen has no place to live anywhere in the world?
Why does Salman Rushdie look so helpless?
Why is that every Tom Dick and Harry comes and kick us in the bum and allowed to have a hearty laugh?
suni51 wrote:I think atheism in itself is kind of religion, a sect of people who do not know whether to believe or not. But if they do have no faith they always remain neutral. They do not take sides of any one, nor criticize the ones trying to defend their own religion.
atheists are not a community unlike Hindu, Muslim or Christian. I am a Hindu so far as community is concerned. atheism is a matter of personal belief only. an atheist may be member of any religious community. Vir Savarkar described himself as Hindu atheist. Javed Akhtar is a Muslim so far as community is concerned but he describes himself as an atheist in his twitter account. atheists are those who don't elieve in existence of God. Those who have doubt- viz. are unsure about God are not atheists but agnostic. Khushwant Singh fals in the category of agnostic- neither belieing nor disbelieving God. However he belonged to Sikh community.
Now n PK. as i have posted elsewhere, debate is okay. Hinduism has a long history of debate. But I dislike and strongly oppose insult to any religious sentiments- be Hindu or Muslim or Christian or whatever. Whatever be the merits of the movie PK, I don't appreciate U.P. government's decision to make the movie tax free. This is needless act intended to annoy the HIndutva organizations
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
Thank you for the suggestion. Usually I see movies only on U tube. Presently, it is not available. I shal definitely see the movie online when available. However I feel that censor board has already passed the movie and this has run for considerable period. The agitation has onl helped the movie getting more viewers. Surprisingly, the general public are not showing any anger against the movie. It is only the professional Hindutva organization who are making so much noise. This is also a matter for consideration.
It would be a good idea to see PK in a theater after a long time. It has collected worldwide a sum of Rs 300 cr + in a matter of 10 days. I saw it in a multiplex and after a long time on a working Monday in a noon show the theater was nearly houseful and what was surprising was that at a few scenes there was clapping in the hall. If the idea propagated in the movie catches on so many godmen will be out of business and Hinduism will flourish in a much healthier manner. The protest is financial in nature under the garb of religion.
PK has collected 330 crore? I am not surprised!
My simple query- why is Taslima Nasreen has no place to live anywhere in the world?
Why does Salman Rushdie look so helpless?
Why is that every Tom Dick and Harry comes and kick us in the bum and allowed to have a hearty laugh?
Taslima has chosen to stay in India and many western countries are ready to allow her to stay . I do not think salman Rushdie looks helpless. Both of them are victims of the fringe elements in their religion. Do you support it. Just because they did it is it any reason for Hindus also to do it. MF Hussain was hounded out and another country allowed him to stay. So were they wrong.You are advocating that we should also do similar as fringe elements are doing in other religions.Then what is difference between Hinduism and Islam and Christianity. Perhaps perception is leading to persecution complex.
vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
Thank you for the suggestion. Usually I see movies only on U tube. Presently, it is not available. I shal definitely see the movie online when available. However I feel that censor board has already passed the movie and this has run for considerable period. The agitation has onl helped the movie getting more viewers. Surprisingly, the general public are not showing any anger against the movie. It is only the professional Hindutva organization who are making so much noise. This is also a matter for consideration.
It would be a good idea to see PK in a theater after a long time. It has collected worldwide a sum of Rs 300 cr + in a matter of 10 days. I saw it in a multiplex and after a long time on a working Monday in a noon show the theater was nearly houseful and what was surprising was that at a few scenes there was clapping in the hall. If the idea propagated in the movie catches on so many godmen will be out of business and Hinduism will flourish in a much healthier manner. The protest is financial in nature under the garb of religion.
PK has collected 330 crore? I am not surprised!
My simple query- why is Taslima Nasreen has no place to live anywhere in the world?
Why does Salman Rushdie look so helpless?
Why is that every Tom Dick and Harry comes and kick us in the bum and allowed to have a hearty laugh?
Taslima has chosen to stay in India and many western countries are ready to allow her to stay . I do not think salman Rushdie looks helpless. Both of them are victims of the fringe elements in their religion. Do you support it. Just because they did it is it any reason for Hindus also to do it. MF Hussain was hounded out and another country allowed him to stay. So were they wrong.You are advocating that we should also do similar as fringe elements are doing in other religions.Then what is difference between Hinduism and Islam and Christianity. Perhaps perception is leading to persecution complex.
I am not supporting or opposing anyone but simply not a follower of the theory that suggests to offer my second cheek to someone that hit my one already. I will certainly hit back and hit back harder.
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
Thank you for the suggestion. Usually I see movies only on U tube. Presently, it is not available. I shal definitely see the movie online when available. However I feel that censor board has already passed the movie and this has run for considerable period. The agitation has onl helped the movie getting more viewers. Surprisingly, the general public are not showing any anger against the movie. It is only the professional Hindutva organization who are making so much noise. This is also a matter for consideration.
It would be a good idea to see PK in a theater after a long time. It has collected worldwide a sum of Rs 300 cr + in a matter of 10 days. I saw it in a multiplex and after a long time on a working Monday in a noon show the theater was nearly houseful and what was surprising was that at a few scenes there was clapping in the hall. If the idea propagated in the movie catches on so many godmen will be out of business and Hinduism will flourish in a much healthier manner. The protest is financial in nature under the garb of religion.
PK has collected 330 crore? I am not surprised!
My simple query- why is Taslima Nasreen has no place to live anywhere in the world?
Why does Salman Rushdie look so helpless?
Why is that every Tom Dick and Harry comes and kick us in the bum and allowed to have a hearty laugh?
Taslima has chosen to stay in India and many western countries are ready to allow her to stay . I do not think salman Rushdie looks helpless. Both of them are victims of the fringe elements in their religion. Do you support it. Just because they did it is it any reason for Hindus also to do it. MF Hussain was hounded out and another country allowed him to stay. So were they wrong.You are advocating that we should also do similar as fringe elements are doing in other religions.Then what is difference between Hinduism and Islam and Christianity. Perhaps perception is leading to persecution complex.
I am not supporting or opposing anyone but simply not a follower of the theory that suggests to offer my second cheek to someone that hit my one already. I will certainly hit back and hit back harder.
Ok. An eye for an eye makes the world blind a cheek for an cheek would make the world a -------.
Democracy and religious freedom is a double edged sword and people shd be careful how they handle it.A multi religious country like India is being used by politicians and leaders for their own benefit like Akilesh has done now and they cry foul when other parties do the same thing. If we start ignoring minor religious issues and also not give undue importance such issues inspite of provocation there would be no problem. The problem arises in our countrty when all parties unite when such a issue is raised by minorties and look the other way when Hindus do the same.I would say that downplaying the issue would be the best thing to do..
Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
vijay wrote:Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
10%? They account for 35-40% of the Indian population and will soon be in majority. In UP alone 25 districts have majority population of so called minority community and that is officially declared by Mayavati government years before. Now more districts perhaps. India has about 25-30% of one minority group alone.
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
10%? They account for 35-40% of the Indian population and will soon be in majority. In UP alone 25 districts have majority population of so called minority community and that is officially declared by Mayavati government years before. Now more districts perhaps. India has about 25-30% of one minority group alone.
If figures provided are true then what do you suggest. Can we go on partitioning till we are left with a geographical area of 100% Hindus or respect each other's religion and live happily. After all it is an experiment being tried in good faith from 1947 onwards. If it fails because of fringe elements the consequences for the country will be catastrophic. The majority decision shall prevail.
vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
10%? They account for 35-40% of the Indian population and will soon be in majority. In UP alone 25 districts have majority population of so called minority community and that is officially declared by Mayavati government years before. Now more districts perhaps. India has about 25-30% of one minority group alone.
If figures provided are true then what do you suggest. Can we go on partitioning till we are left with a geographical area of 100% Hindus or respect each other's religion and live happily. After all it is an experiment being tried in good faith from 1947 onwards. If it fails because of fringe elements the consequences for the country will be catastrophic. The majority decision shall prevail.
There is nothing like Hindu in this country but divided groups of different sects so his will not work too.
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
10%? They account for 35-40% of the Indian population and will soon be in majority. In UP alone 25 districts have majority population of so called minority community and that is officially declared by Mayavati government years before. Now more districts perhaps. India has about 25-30% of one minority group alone.
If figures provided are true then what do you suggest. Can we go on partitioning till we are left with a geographical area of 100% Hindus or respect each other's religion and live happily. After all it is an experiment being tried in good faith from 1947 onwards. If it fails because of fringe elements the consequences for the country will be catastrophic. The majority decision shall prevail.
There is nothing like Hindu in this country but divided groups of different sects so his will not work too.
You have succeeded in confusing me about your real viewpoint. What is the problem and what is the solution according to you.
vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
10%? They account for 35-40% of the Indian population and will soon be in majority. In UP alone 25 districts have majority population of so called minority community and that is officially declared by Mayavati government years before. Now more districts perhaps. India has about 25-30% of one minority group alone.
If figures provided are true then what do you suggest. Can we go on partitioning till we are left with a geographical area of 100% Hindus or respect each other's religion and live happily. After all it is an experiment being tried in good faith from 1947 onwards. If it fails because of fringe elements the consequences for the country will be catastrophic. The majority decision shall prevail.
There is nothing like Hindu in this country but divided groups of different sects so this will not work too.
You have succeeded in confusing me about your real viewpoint. What is the problem and what is the solution according to you.
That's what is the basic question is, we start allover from the beginning. We shall never reach to the destination :)
In fact there is no problem as such but everything is fabricated by politicians starting from setup of congress organization that divided this country on religion basis for their personal gains.
Caste and Religion are trrump cards for our politicians and they never miss a chance on capitalising these two issues to their advantage ...In fact terrorism has grown to this extent only because of our double dealing politicians . Today the entire country is facing the consequences
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:Does it not look odd that in a country having nearly 95% Hindu politicians in and outside power, they should be fighting for 10% votes of minorities. Does it make a difference.Wrong Perceptions are having a field day.Pk was made by Hindu producer and director. I hate to write like this but whn will wrong perceptions of persons change. They may not.
10%? They account for 35-40% of the Indian population and will soon be in majority. In UP alone 25 districts have majority population of so called minority community and that is officially declared by Mayavati government years before. Now more districts perhaps. India has about 25-30% of one minority group alone.
If figures provided are true then what do you suggest. Can we go on partitioning till we are left with a geographical area of 100% Hindus or respect each other's religion and live happily. After all it is an experiment being tried in good faith from 1947 onwards. If it fails because of fringe elements the consequences for the country will be catastrophic. The majority decision shall prevail.
There is nothing like Hindu in this country but divided groups of different sects so this will not work too.
You have succeeded in confusing me about your real viewpoint. What is the problem and what is the solution according to you.
That's what is the basic question is, we start allover from the beginning. We shall never reach to the destination :)
In fact there is no problem as such but everything is fabricated by politicians starting from setup of congress organization that divided this country on religion basis for their personal gains.
Shall appreciate being a bit more specific with some examples. Response can also be specific. What is the destination?
suni51 wrote:And congress says government fabricated the story of intrusion of Pakistani boat. Probably they forgot to say, Indian army is shooting down their own soldiers to show Pakistan is trying to create problem. Funny and ridiculous.
At the height of cold war between USA and Russia the US CIA used to finance anti CIA agitations against itself in foreign countries to justify its covert operations. Ruling parties can do many things to justify their subsequent actions. In this particular case cited by you I would only say that in a democracy the word of the govt. should not be taken as gospel truth nor should the right of opposition to question be diluted. Both are right in their own ways. The truth has to come out.
vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:And congress says government fabricated the story of intrusion of Pakistani boat. Probably they forgot to say, Indian army is shooting down their own soldiers to show Pakistan is trying to create problem. Funny and ridiculous.
At the height of cold war between USA and Russia the US CIA used to finance anti CIA agitations against itself in foreign countries to justify its covert operations. Ruling parties can do many things to justify their subsequent actions. In this particular case cited by you I would only say that in a democracy the word of the govt. should not be taken as gospel truth nor should the right of opposition to question be diluted. Both are right in their own ways. The truth has to come out.
As I heard only yesterday, criticism and acquisitions are two different things especially while related to National Security
I feel that opposition have every right to criticize the government for good of the nation. Ruling party and opposition both have role in democracy. But as regars national security and internal disturbances, the very sensitive nature of such matters requires that all should be cautius enough not to utter anything that may directly or indirevtly endanger security efforts or embarasas the government. I fear that recent intervention in such matters by Congress is irresponsible and not appropriate by any Indian organization.
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