Swami Ramdev, ths saffron saint who worked tirelessly for saffron victory in last elections has called for boycott of makers of the movie PK. This is what the saffron block is for doing to all dissenters and will not allow freedom of expression and art. In case saffron bloc gets absolute majority, we can well fear total destruction of individual freedom and democracy.
suni51 wrote:Will the other religion groups allow saffron brigade to criticize or point to their shortcomings etc. Answer in YES for once and see where we land. Why make Hindus a soft target? We have had enough of it.
Our Indian character of tolerance is being taken as a weakness and we are treated as Door mats for centuries. It's high time to show what we are.
I saw PK and there is no insult of any religion leave alone Hinduism in the movie. It gives a message of hypocrisy in all religions being exploited by so called godmen. It has been seen in record numbers and has collected more than Rs 230 crores. The audience consists of more than 95% Hindus. Are they all fools to appreciate a good movie. If godmen get rightly exposed and people stop patronising them their shops will get closed. It is they who are after this protest by right wing elements under the guise of Hinduism being criticised and insulted. I dare say that Suni51 and Rambabu have not watched the movie .If they had they would not express their views as they have. Unfortunately in this case they seem to have fallen into a trap. I am sorry at taking names but feel in this case the comments are not proper .
vijay wrote:I saw PK and there is no insult of any religion leave alone Hinduism in the movie. It gives a message of hypocrisy in all religions being exploited by so called godmen. It has been seen in record numbers and has collected more than Rs 230 crores. The audience consists of more than 95% Hindus. Are they all fools to appreciate a good movie. If godmen get rightly exposed and people stop patronising them their shops will get closed. It is they who are after this protest by right wing elements under the guise of Hinduism being criticised and insulted. I dare say that Suni51 and Rambabu have not watched the movie .If they had they would not express their views as they have. Unfortunately in this case they seem to have fallen into a trap. I am sorry at taking names but feel in this case the comments are not proper .
I will not go in detail but would like an answer to my query in one line
Will other religious groups accept my criticism however positive in a positive manner?
I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:I saw PK and there is no insult of any religion leave alone Hinduism in the movie. It gives a message of hypocrisy in all religions being exploited by so called godmen. It has been seen in record numbers and has collected more than Rs 230 crores. The audience consists of more than 95% Hindus. Are they all fools to appreciate a good movie. If godmen get rightly exposed and people stop patronising them their shops will get closed. It is they who are after this protest by right wing elements under the guise of Hinduism being criticised and insulted. I dare say that Suni51 and Rambabu have not watched the movie .If they had they would not express their views as they have. Unfortunately in this case they seem to have fallen into a trap. I am sorry at taking names but feel in this case the comments are not proper .
I will not go in detail but would like an answer to my query in one line
Will other religious groups accept my criticism however positive in a positive manner?
The answer is YES.
Right thinking people in all religions accept positive criticism. The percentage of fringe elements in some religions is more and some less. But should they decide the agenda? In India and Pakistan fundamental parties based on religion dogmas have always been rejected by voters. What more proof is needed. They have to be dealt with firmness and should be ignored.
mohan manohar wrote:Which color whatever be it may be, But Modi govt is on right track,as after screening Maharastra govt under so called safron brigade, ruled that if fringe elements wish it to be banned then they should go to Supreme court, a real justice from so called safron block is not it. But green brigade, ruled in Karnataka, is making laws to overtake resources of Hindu temples and maths but not of other religions yet no one is defying it strange but true.
Hindu maths and temples are treated as private property by their heredity owners and funds collected from public are used for themselves. If such funds are governed by trusts formed by governments like in Tirupati and Vaishno Devi they will be well managed and funds put to proper use and subject to audit. Are you prepared to continue misuse just because another religion is allowing it? Let us set an example for others to follow.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
vijay wrote:mohan manohar wrote:Which color whatever be it may be, But Modi govt is on right track,as after screening Maharastra govt under so called safron brigade, ruled that if fringe elements wish it to be banned then they should go to Supreme court, a real justice from so called safron block is not it. But green brigade, ruled in Karnataka, is making laws to overtake resources of Hindu temples and maths but not of other religions yet no one is defying it strange but true.Hindu maths and temples are treated as private property by their heredity owners and funds collected from public are used for themselves. If such funds are governed by trusts formed by governments like in Tirupati and Vaishno Devi they will be well managed and funds put to proper use and subject to audit. Are you prepared to continue misuse just because another religion is allowing it? Let us set an example for others to follow.
All religious institutions do the same , the politicians of our country have no guts to question the minority institutions but go hammer and tongs at Hindu temples. If thet want to stop misuse they shd do so for all, not show favoritism and expect one religion to be magnanimous. That will never happen since Hindus have put up with this kind of treatment for far too long ...
vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:I saw PK and there is no insult of any religion leave alone Hinduism in the movie. It gives a message of hypocrisy in all religions being exploited by so called godmen. It has been seen in record numbers and has collected more than Rs 230 crores. The audience consists of more than 95% Hindus. Are they all fools to appreciate a good movie. If godmen get rightly exposed and people stop patronising them their shops will get closed. It is they who are after this protest by right wing elements under the guise of Hinduism being criticised and insulted. I dare say that Suni51 and Rambabu have not watched the movie .If they had they would not express their views as they have. Unfortunately in this case they seem to have fallen into a trap. I am sorry at taking names but feel in this case the comments are not proper .
I will not go in detail but would like an answer to my query in one line
Will other religious groups accept my criticism however positive in a positive manner?
The answer is YES.
Right thinking people in all religions accept positive criticism. The percentage of fringe elements in some religions is more and some less. But should they decide the agenda? In India and Pakistan fundamental parties based on religion dogmas have always been rejected by voters. What more proof is needed. They have to be dealt with firmness and should be ignored.
What has vote got to do with religion? I do not like politics and religion mixed together. Right thinking people are seriously missing in all religion but Hindus were made fools for ages in the name of this right thinking.
vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
Thank you for the suggestion. Usually I see movies only on U tube. Presently, it is not available. I shal definitely see the movie online when available. However I feel that censor board has already passed the movie and this has run for considerable period. The agitation has onl helped the movie getting more viewers. Surprisingly, the general public are not showing any anger against the movie. It is only the professional Hindutva organization who are making so much noise. This is also a matter for consideration.
suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:suni51 wrote:vijay wrote:I saw PK and there is no insult of any religion leave alone Hinduism in the movie. It gives a message of hypocrisy in all religions being exploited by so called godmen. It has been seen in record numbers and has collected more than Rs 230 crores. The audience consists of more than 95% Hindus. Are they all fools to appreciate a good movie. If godmen get rightly exposed and people stop patronising them their shops will get closed. It is they who are after this protest by right wing elements under the guise of Hinduism being criticised and insulted. I dare say that Suni51 and Rambabu have not watched the movie .If they had they would not express their views as they have. Unfortunately in this case they seem to have fallen into a trap. I am sorry at taking names but feel in this case the comments are not proper .
I will not go in detail but would like an answer to my query in one line
Will other religious groups accept my criticism however positive in a positive manner?
The answer is YES.
Right thinking people in all religions accept positive criticism. The percentage of fringe elements in some religions is more and some less. But should they decide the agenda? In India and Pakistan fundamental parties based on religion dogmas have always been rejected by voters. What more proof is needed. They have to be dealt with firmness and should be ignored.
What has vote got to do with religion? I do not like politics and religion mixed together. Right thinking people are seriously missing in all religion but Hindus were made fools for ages in the name of this right thinking.
Votes are a strong and reliable indicator of the preferences of population, esp in countries where religion plays an important role. Your desire not to mix politics and religion is well taken, but it will materialise after many decades when people are far more mature than today. To a large extent it is taking place in US/UK/ Japan/Germany / France. I do not agree that right thinking people are missing in all religions. The majority unfortunately is always silent. It is the fringe elements who are violent and vocal. Otherwise no one would bother about them. The inability of past Hindu kings to modernise and invest in strong defences led to their being defeated by Islamic kings from outside and Hindu populations suffered centuries of subjugation. Keeping one's house unprotected, should the thieves be blamed for property stolen. In those times land was a means of productive economy and thus it was fought over. Hindu kings used to battle with other Hindu kings for land. Hoever your perception is your right
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:vijay wrote:Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:I have not seen PK. But I saw the trailor. I feel that Hindu religion allows dissent an discussion. If there is any criticism of some practices, nothing wrong. There is tradition of discussion (shastrarth or debate) But criticism and insult differ. It appears that there is some inslt to Hindu deities in the movie PK. The insult is definitely not tolerable in any condition. I am an atheist and do not believe in any religion. But I ill definitely not insult and deity and never do anything that may hurt religious sentiments of any one. The makers of the movie should consider the objections and themselves remove any objectionable scenes in the movie.
Pl go and see it and as a neutral umpire give your valuable comments
Thank you for the suggestion. Usually I see movies only on U tube. Presently, it is not available. I shal definitely see the movie online when available. However I feel that censor board has already passed the movie and this has run for considerable period. The agitation has onl helped the movie getting more viewers. Surprisingly, the general public are not showing any anger against the movie. It is only the professional Hindutva organization who are making so much noise. This is also a matter for consideration.
It would be a good idea to see PK in a theater after a long time. It has collected worldwide a sum of Rs 300 cr + in a matter of 10 days. I saw it in a multiplex and after a long time on a working Monday in a noon show the theater was nearly houseful and what was surprising was that at a few scenes there was clapping in the hall. If the idea propagated in the movie catches on so many godmen will be out of business and Hinduism will flourish in a much healthier manner. The protest is financial in nature under the garb of religion.
usha manohar wrote:vijay wrote:mohan manohar wrote:Which color whatever be it may be, But Modi govt is on right track,as after screening Maharastra govt under so called safron brigade, ruled that if fringe elements wish it to be banned then they should go to Supreme court, a real justice from so called safron block is not it. But green brigade, ruled in Karnataka, is making laws to overtake resources of Hindu temples and maths but not of other religions yet no one is defying it strange but true.Hindu maths and temples are treated as private property by their heredity owners and funds collected from public are used for themselves. If such funds are governed by trusts formed by governments like in Tirupati and Vaishno Devi they will be well managed and funds put to proper use and subject to audit. Are you prepared to continue misuse just because another religion is allowing it? Let us set an example for others to follow.
All religious institutions do the same , the politicians of our country have no guts to question the minority institutions but go hammer and tongs at Hindu temples. If thet want to stop misuse they shd do so for all, not show favoritism and expect one religion to be magnanimous. That will never happen since Hindus have put up with this kind of treatment for far too long ...
So if a student is misbehaving in the class, the teacher cannot point it out to him till similar students of other religions are also located and treated simultaneously. Till such time the student can continue misbehaving.
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