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The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
Albert Einstein

An impressive quote by Einstein

quote="chinmoymukherjee" post=313769]

I am quite surprised that there are no takers! My answer would be creativity neither cares for perseverance nor patience! It may take long or short time all depending on the ways of the creator! :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

No one under the Sun achieved creative excellence without caring for perseverance and patience.

Is it so? Too tall a claim! In fact, some of the greatest creators were neither known for showing patience nor for perseverance. I can instantly recall one of the greatest creative film-makers of India, late Ritwik Ghatak who was always impatient with the world and turned alcoholic to have an untimely end!

a stray example is no less than a tall claim. Leonardo da vinci toiled for years for that enigmatic smile in the countenance of Mona lisa. Pablo Picasso took years to convert his 2d world into cubism.. Michelangelo lived practically lived on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel for 4 long years for painting Frescoes on its walls. Ask any artist of pre renaissance or post renaissance, i give you the details of their perseverance and patience.
One more thing Ritwik Ghatak is a midget when it comes to creativity before the two Reddys of AP and Satyajit roy.

Ritwik Ghatak a midget? Ask any knowledgeable person whose has serious interest and studies in serious cinema, he or she will tell you what Satya jit Ray said about him! I can cite not a stray one, a lot more! There could be always difference of opinions and let us gracefully accept that without running down a person about whom you know so little! This is not the way to show your respect to Reddys! Similarly Charlie Chaplin, Rabindranath Tagore were all midgets! It's parochialism of a ridiculous kind which I believe against the rules of boddunan. As I am respectful to all the greats of the state of Andhra Pradesh for their seminal and signal contribution to whatever we are proud of as an Indian!

I have worked enough in the field of serious national and international cinema from D.W Griffith to Michelangelo Antonioni to Kurosawa.
When it comes to revelation of truth. I'm confident boddunan's rules will not stand in the way. Refer the Book 'Arts ans Artists' by Jeremy Kingston, where in Only Satyajit Roy found a place as the lonely film maker of India anxious to show the progressive face of India to the world.
Tell me where the question of parochialism comes here.

To be really honest, I had not opened this thread until now and when I did so the first thing that hit me was the word Midget being used to describe a phenomenal person such as Ritwik Ghatak. Rambabu, while there are no rules that clearly state the choice of words that you can describe some one, I am really disappointed in the way you have chosen to talk about Ghatak.

Also your mention of Art sans Artists by Jeremy Kingston, the fact that Roy is the only Indian who has found his way into the book, it does make me feel proud because I am a fan of Roy, yet cannot help but feel annoyed that we need a book written by an foreigner to use as a measure of capability as opposed to film makers of equal status as Roy. It is really very disappointing

As far as creativity goes, my belief is that it takes imagination, natural in-born talent and intelligence. Perseverance is something that determines your success at what you do, but not your actual creativity!

Yes perseverance will not boost the creativity but it helps in keeping a tight hold on the subject you are working on. This clubbed with Patience will give unbelievable results.
When it comes to the adjective 'Midget', its degree of derogation varies from the position where the subject is juxtaposed. Ritwic Ghatak as a creative personality is certainly great. This greatness is word that indicates 'Relativity". Not absolute. If the same subject is compared with some other luminary a comparative term has to be used. And the reason for this too i have mentioned in the thread.

If my comparison has hurt the feelings of some one, i may please be pardoned. But one thing i want to emphasize is there is no "Parochialism " whatsoever in my thread. Thank you[/quote]

This is what has indeed pained me, you say there is no parochialism but when you are comparing a person such as Ghatak, you feel compelled to use the word Midget, for a person whose talent and greatness was acknowledge by none other than Satyajit Roy, and because he found no mention in any international books, although his talent has been recognized internationally. This is totally unfair. You could have used words other than midget, Maybe you don't feel he is talented but midget is not a word you use for someone like that!

quote="chinmoymukherjee" post=313769]

I am quite surprised that there are no takers! My answer would be creativity neither cares for perseverance nor patience! It may take long or short time all depending on the ways of the creator! :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

No one under the Sun achieved creative excellence without caring for perseverance and patience.

Is it so? Too tall a claim! In fact, some of the greatest creators were neither known for showing patience nor for perseverance. I can instantly recall one of the greatest creative film-makers of India, late Ritwik Ghatak who was always impatient with the world and turned alcoholic to have an untimely end!

a stray example is no less than a tall claim. Leonardo da vinci toiled for years for that enigmatic smile in the countenance of Mona lisa. Pablo Picasso took years to convert his 2d world into cubism.. Michelangelo lived practically lived on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel for 4 long years for painting Frescoes on its walls. Ask any artist of pre renaissance or post renaissance, i give you the details of their perseverance and patience.
One more thing Ritwik Ghatak is a midget when it comes to creativity before the two Reddys of AP and Satyajit roy.

Ritwik Ghatak a midget? Ask any knowledgeable person whose has serious interest and studies in serious cinema, he or she will tell you what Satya jit Ray said about him! I can cite not a stray one, a lot more! There could be always difference of opinions and let us gracefully accept that without running down a person about whom you know so little! This is not the way to show your respect to Reddys! Similarly Charlie Chaplin, Rabindranath Tagore were all midgets! It's parochialism of a ridiculous kind which I believe against the rules of boddunan. As I am respectful to all the greats of the state of Andhra Pradesh for their seminal and signal contribution to whatever we are proud of as an Indian!

I have worked enough in the field of serious national and international cinema from D.W Griffith to Michelangelo Antonioni to Kurosawa.
When it comes to revelation of truth. I'm confident boddunan's rules will not stand in the way. Refer the Book 'Arts ans Artists' by Jeremy Kingston, where in Only Satyajit Roy found a place as the lonely film maker of India anxious to show the progressive face of India to the world.
Tell me where the question of parochialism comes here.

To be really honest, I had not opened this thread until now and when I did so the first thing that hit me was the word Midget being used to describe a phenomenal person such as Ritwik Ghatak. Rambabu, while there are no rules that clearly state the choice of words that you can describe some one, I am really disappointed in the way you have chosen to talk about Ghatak.

Also your mention of Art sans Artists by Jeremy Kingston, the fact that Roy is the only Indian who has found his way into the book, it does make me feel proud because I am a fan of Roy, yet cannot help but feel annoyed that we need a book written by an foreigner to use as a measure of capability as opposed to film makers of equal status as Roy. It is really very disappointing

As far as creativity goes, my belief is that it takes imagination, natural in-born talent and intelligence. Perseverance is something that determines your success at what you do, but not your actual creativity!

Yes perseverance will not boost the creativity but it helps in keeping a tight hold on the subject you are working on. This clubbed with Patience will give unbelievable results.
When it comes to the adjective 'Midget', its degree of derogation varies from the position where the subject is juxtaposed. Ritwic Ghatak as a creative personality is certainly great. This greatness is word that indicates 'Relativity". Not absolute. If the same subject is compared with some other luminary a comparative term has to be used. And the reason for this too i have mentioned in the thread.

If my comparison has hurt the feelings of some one, i may please be pardoned. But one thing i want to emphasize is there is no "Parochialism " whatsoever in my thread. Thank you

This is what has indeed pained me, you say there is no parochialism but when you are comparing a person such as Ghatak, you feel compelled to use the word Midget, for a person whose talent and greatness was acknowledge by none other than Satyajit Roy, and because he found no mention in any international books, although his talent has been recognized internationally. This is totally unfair. You could have used words other than midget, Maybe you don't feel he is talented but midget is not a word you use for someone like that![/quote]

I see hoe how much you are pained. I here by withdraw my word "MIDGET". Let's bury the hatchet. I'm sorry for all that happened.
Through this i convey my apologies to chinmoy too.
A request : Please follow the thread. You will see I on my own never raised any names

quote="chinmoymukherjee" post=313769]

I am quite surprised that there are no takers! My answer would be creativity neither cares for perseverance nor patience! It may take long or short time all depending on the ways of the creator! :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

No one under the Sun achieved creative excellence without caring for perseverance and patience.

Is it so? Too tall a claim! In fact, some of the greatest creators were neither known for showing patience nor for perseverance. I can instantly recall one of the greatest creative film-makers of India, late Ritwik Ghatak who was always impatient with the world and turned alcoholic to have an untimely end!

a stray example is no less than a tall claim. Leonardo da vinci toiled for years for that enigmatic smile in the countenance of Mona lisa. Pablo Picasso took years to convert his 2d world into cubism.. Michelangelo lived practically lived on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel for 4 long years for painting Frescoes on its walls. Ask any artist of pre renaissance or post renaissance, i give you the details of their perseverance and patience.
One more thing Ritwik Ghatak is a midget when it comes to creativity before the two Reddys of AP and Satyajit roy.

Ritwik Ghatak a midget? Ask any knowledgeable person whose has serious interest and studies in serious cinema, he or she will tell you what Satya jit Ray said about him! I can cite not a stray one, a lot more! There could be always difference of opinions and let us gracefully accept that without running down a person about whom you know so little! This is not the way to show your respect to Reddys! Similarly Charlie Chaplin, Rabindranath Tagore were all midgets! It's parochialism of a ridiculous kind which I believe against the rules of boddunan. As I am respectful to all the greats of the state of Andhra Pradesh for their seminal and signal contribution to whatever we are proud of as an Indian!

I have worked enough in the field of serious national and international cinema from D.W Griffith to Michelangelo Antonioni to Kurosawa.
When it comes to revelation of truth. I'm confident boddunan's rules will not stand in the way. Refer the Book 'Arts ans Artists' by Jeremy Kingston, where in Only Satyajit Roy found a place as the lonely film maker of India anxious to show the progressive face of India to the world.
Tell me where the question of parochialism comes here.

To be really honest, I had not opened this thread until now and when I did so the first thing that hit me was the word Midget being used to describe a phenomenal person such as Ritwik Ghatak. Rambabu, while there are no rules that clearly state the choice of words that you can describe some one, I am really disappointed in the way you have chosen to talk about Ghatak.

Also your mention of Art sans Artists by Jeremy Kingston, the fact that Roy is the only Indian who has found his way into the book, it does make me feel proud because I am a fan of Roy, yet cannot help but feel annoyed that we need a book written by an foreigner to use as a measure of capability as opposed to film makers of equal status as Roy. It is really very disappointing

As far as creativity goes, my belief is that it takes imagination, natural in-born talent and intelligence. Perseverance is something that determines your success at what you do, but not your actual creativity!

Yes perseverance will not boost the creativity but it helps in keeping a tight hold on the subject you are working on. This clubbed with Patience will give unbelievable results.
When it comes to the adjective 'Midget', its degree of derogation varies from the position where the subject is juxtaposed. Ritwic Ghatak as a creative personality is certainly great. This greatness is word that indicates 'Relativity". Not absolute. If the same subject is compared with some other luminary a comparative term has to be used. And the reason for this too i have mentioned in the thread.

If my comparison has hurt the feelings of some one, i may please be pardoned. But one thing i want to emphasize is there is no "Parochialism " whatsoever in my thread. Thank you

This is what has indeed pained me, you say there is no parochialism but when you are comparing a person such as Ghatak, you feel compelled to use the word Midget, for a person whose talent and greatness was acknowledge by none other than Satyajit Roy, and because he found no mention in any international books, although his talent has been recognized internationally. This is totally unfair. You could have used words other than midget, Maybe you don't feel he is talented but midget is not a word you use for someone like that!

I see hoe how much you are pained. I here by withdraw my word "MIDGET". Let's bury the hatchet. I'm sorry for all that happened.[/quote]

Thanks!! We are not feudals or warring tribals here, differences in opinions will occur. No issues! :)

quote="chinmoymukherjee" post=313769]

I am quite surprised that there are no takers! My answer would be creativity neither cares for perseverance nor patience! It may take long or short time all depending on the ways of the creator! :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

No one under the Sun achieved creative excellence without caring for perseverance and patience.

Is it so? Too tall a claim! In fact, some of the greatest creators were neither known for showing patience nor for perseverance. I can instantly recall one of the greatest creative film-makers of India, late Ritwik Ghatak who was always impatient with the world and turned alcoholic to have an untimely end!

a stray example is no less than a tall claim. Leonardo da vinci toiled for years for that enigmatic smile in the countenance of Mona lisa. Pablo Picasso took years to convert his 2d world into cubism.. Michelangelo lived practically lived on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel for 4 long years for painting Frescoes on its walls. Ask any artist of pre renaissance or post renaissance, i give you the details of their perseverance and patience.
One more thing Ritwik Ghatak is a midget when it comes to creativity before the two Reddys of AP and Satyajit roy.

Ritwik Ghatak a midget? Ask any knowledgeable person whose has serious interest and studies in serious cinema, he or she will tell you what Satya jit Ray said about him! I can cite not a stray one, a lot more! There could be always difference of opinions and let us gracefully accept that without running down a person about whom you know so little! This is not the way to show your respect to Reddys! Similarly Charlie Chaplin, Rabindranath Tagore were all midgets! It's parochialism of a ridiculous kind which I believe against the rules of boddunan. As I am respectful to all the greats of the state of Andhra Pradesh for their seminal and signal contribution to whatever we are proud of as an Indian!

I have worked enough in the field of serious national and international cinema from D.W Griffith to Michelangelo Antonioni to Kurosawa.
When it comes to revelation of truth. I'm confident boddunan's rules will not stand in the way. Refer the Book 'Arts ans Artists' by Jeremy Kingston, where in Only Satyajit Roy found a place as the lonely film maker of India anxious to show the progressive face of India to the world.
Tell me where the question of parochialism comes here.

To be really honest, I had not opened this thread until now and when I did so the first thing that hit me was the word Midget being used to describe a phenomenal person such as Ritwik Ghatak. Rambabu, while there are no rules that clearly state the choice of words that you can describe some one, I am really disappointed in the way you have chosen to talk about Ghatak.

Also your mention of Art sans Artists by Jeremy Kingston, the fact that Roy is the only Indian who has found his way into the book, it does make me feel proud because I am a fan of Roy, yet cannot help but feel annoyed that we need a book written by an foreigner to use as a measure of capability as opposed to film makers of equal status as Roy. It is really very disappointing

As far as creativity goes, my belief is that it takes imagination, natural in-born talent and intelligence. Perseverance is something that determines your success at what you do, but not your actual creativity!

Yes perseverance will not boost the creativity but it helps in keeping a tight hold on the subject you are working on. This clubbed with Patience will give unbelievable results.
When it comes to the adjective 'Midget', its degree of derogation varies from the position where the subject is juxtaposed. Ritwic Ghatak as a creative personality is certainly great. This greatness is word that indicates 'Relativity". Not absolute. If the same subject is compared with some other luminary a comparative term has to be used. And the reason for this too i have mentioned in the thread.

If my comparison has hurt the feelings of some one, i may please be pardoned. But one thing i want to emphasize is there is no "Parochialism " whatsoever in my thread. Thank you

This is what has indeed pained me, you say there is no parochialism but when you are comparing a person such as Ghatak, you feel compelled to use the word Midget, for a person whose talent and greatness was acknowledge by none other than Satyajit Roy, and because he found no mention in any international books, although his talent has been recognized internationally. This is totally unfair. You could have used words other than midget, Maybe you don't feel he is talented but midget is not a word you use for someone like that!

I see hoe how much you are pained. I here by withdraw my word "MIDGET". Let's bury the hatchet. I'm sorry for all that happened.

Thanks!! We are not feudals or warring tribals here, differences in opinions will occur. No issues! :)[/quote]

So kind of you

i am a person who love to do experiments, rather than doing the same repetitive things. It's some thing like fun..... best example, my kitchen experiments.
when we learn through our experiments, we won't forget it easily

If a person goes on experimenting and experimenting without success what happens to her or him! :angry: :angry: :angry:

When we experiment, we do get some success. Through that success, we always get a way out.

i am a person who love to do experiments, rather than doing the same repetitive things. It's some thing like fun..... best example, my kitchen experiments.
when we learn through our experiments, we won't forget it easily

If a person goes on experimenting and experimenting without success what happens to her or him! :angry: :angry: :angry:

When we experiment, we do get some success. Through that success, we always get a way out.

Experimenting it self says you are bent upon achieving the results

i am a person who love to do experiments, rather than doing the same repetitive things. It's some thing like fun..... best example, my kitchen experiments.
when we learn through our experiments, we won't forget it easily

If a person goes on experimenting and experimenting without success what happens to her or him! :angry: :angry: :angry:

When we experiment, we do get some success. Through that success, we always get a way out.

Experimenting it self says you are bent upon achieving the results

If we won't experiment, there will be no creative work.

i am a person who love to do experiments, rather than doing the same repetitive things. It's some thing like fun..... best example, my kitchen experiments.
when we learn through our experiments, we won't forget it easily

If a person goes on experimenting and experimenting without success what happens to her or him! :angry: :angry: :angry:

When we experiment, we do get some success. Through that success, we always get a way out.

Experimenting it self says you are bent upon achieving the results

If we won't experiment, there will be no creative work.

I think creative work is always an output of experimentation. With fear of being wrong you won't experiment at all. So it is obvious fear makes anything impossible.

i am a person who love to do experiments, rather than doing the same repetitive things. It's some thing like fun..... best example, my kitchen experiments.
when we learn through our experiments, we won't forget it easily

If a person goes on experimenting and experimenting without success what happens to her or him! :angry: :angry: :angry:

When we experiment, we do get some success. Through that success, we always get a way out.

Experimenting it self says you are bent upon achieving the results

If we won't experiment, there will be no creative work.

I think creative work is always an output of experimentation. With fear of being wrong you won't experiment at all. So it is obvious fear makes anything impossible.

Its only through experimentation many creative personalities touched the pinnacles of glory