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"Government Jobs vs Private Jobs. Which one is better?"
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In today's days private companies are hiring the freshers .Companies are paying enough to them,hence a huge amount of attraction is there in private sector.Government jobs are having slow progress,steady.Corruption is also involve here,which brings the status.People are attracted towards private,because they pay you more from starting.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]The very fact that there is corruption in govt officers indicates that they have power. It ids said- Power corrupts. A powerless person without authority cannot be corrupt. I do not suggest bad means. But it goes without saying that govt officers or bureaucrats have real power. This is next to politicians. Politicians are also corrupt. As regards businessmen, they give bribes to govt departments and make them corrupt
Good character and honesty are great virtue. There are very honest people also everywhere and they are respected.
I have one more suggestion. Apart from IAS, there is good scope in judiciary. Those interested in law may choose lawyer's job as well as judicial appointments.
I however agree that private companies particularly multinationals provide good career to really talented.[/quote]
Hello Mr. Gulshan.. you are saying Big rich man gives bribe to government officers. Ya ok i agree with this. But will you tell me please if you are a honest person, and someone here wanna to buy your honesty, then its depends upon you that you wanna sell your honesty or not. So like this that government officer who is taking bribe can also deny that bribe. But that person is greedy. In judicial area i think 70% is corrupted, why because rich man always try to finish the clue regarding them, they can buy big lawyers. So a poor people can't do. And case always go in the favor of rich man.( maximum chance ).
Last line you said, its completely right." I however agree that private companies particularly multinationals provide good career to really talented. "
[quote]The very fact that there is corruption in govt officers indicates that they have power. It ids said- Power corrupts. A powerless person without authority cannot be corrupt. I do not suggest bad means. But it goes without saying that govt officers or bureaucrats have real power. This is next to politicians. Politicians are also corrupt. As regards businessmen, they give bribes to govt departments and make them corrupt
Good character and honesty are great virtue. There are very honest people also everywhere and they are respected.
I have one more suggestion. Apart from IAS, there is good scope in judiciary. Those interested in law may choose lawyer's job as well as judicial appointments.
I however agree that private companies particularly multinationals provide good career to really talented.[/quote]
Hello Mr. Gulshan.. you are saying Big rich man gives bribe to government officers. Ya ok i agree with this. But will you tell me please if you are a honest person, and someone here wanna to buy your honesty, then its depends upon you that you wanna sell your honesty or not. So like this that government officer who is taking bribe can also deny that bribe. But that person is greedy. In judicial area i think 70% is corrupted, why because rich man always try to finish the clue regarding them, they can buy big lawyers. So a poor people can't do. And case always go in the favor of rich man.( maximum chance ).
Last line you said, its completely right." I however agree that private companies particularly multinationals provide good career to really talented. "
Lohit- You stated "But will you tell me please if you are a honest person, and someone here wanna to buy your honesty, then its depends upon you that you wanna sell your honesty or not."
I have to say- The society consists mainly of dishonest and corrupt. The private sector businessmen give bribes and govt employees accept. This is a disservice to nation. There are exceptionally honest persons who refuse corruption. Such officers are discouraged and also harassed. Even at the cost of harassment, many stick to their guns. This is a matter of personal quality. As regards job, the govt jobs carry prestige and power whereas private- mainly multinationals carry money.
I have to say- The society consists mainly of dishonest and corrupt. The private sector businessmen give bribes and govt employees accept. This is a disservice to nation. There are exceptionally honest persons who refuse corruption. Such officers are discouraged and also harassed. Even at the cost of harassment, many stick to their guns. This is a matter of personal quality. As regards job, the govt jobs carry prestige and power whereas private- mainly multinationals carry money.
One year back an IT related programme inaugurated in my college.The RDO (Sub Collector) was the chief guest.In his speech he compared the payment offered to engineering graduates at their youngest age to a govt employee salary.He pointed that in that young age they offer high perks because your brain is fresh and will be working very accurate.So they can exploit it to maximum level and will pay according to it.When it works long tear and wear will occur and will begin to slow down.Then you might thrown out.But in govt job this throwing will not be there.Instead you have to work with your ease.So when compared the cash credits the 10 years work in a private company and 20 years work in government company may be equal.In one you get money in shorter period with higher effort while in another you get it after relaxed work.
I saw one discussion above that when recession occured it didn't affect private firms.It is a foolish statement.Recession had very badly affected private fields and the most experienced persons include in thrown outs since they are the highest paid.At the same time the employees in government job had no fear at all since it is very difficult to cut short the employee strength by a single notice.
So when we look from any angle government job is the best one.Haven't you seen the news of DA increment to govt employees?Have anyone seen such a news from a private company?
Now you decide which job is better then?
So when we look from any angle government job is the best one.Haven't you seen the news of DA increment to govt employees?Have anyone seen such a news from a private company?
Now you decide which job is better then?
I agree with Abid that there is bribery for recruitment in army. This is so in police also. Even when you join Govt. service, you pay bribe for posting to so called cream or sensitive posting, meaning more bribery income. The govt. departments are den of corruption. But this is the business people and citizens who bribe them
Here our issue is not of corruption. Corruption or malpractice is every where. But I may stress that you can be honest in govt service. At most, you will be given so called dry posting where you have no public contact and extra income. But if you are really honest, why bother about any income other than salary.
The position in private is worst. Here the dishonest business establishment forces the employees to bribe the govt officers. The accountants in factories are forced by their employers to make fictitious accounts and indulge in fraud for saving taxes or avoiding action under labor law etc. Thus you may be honest in govt job but the private employer will force you to indulge in dishonesty for him. On this account, government service is better.
Here our issue is not of corruption. Corruption or malpractice is every where. But I may stress that you can be honest in govt service. At most, you will be given so called dry posting where you have no public contact and extra income. But if you are really honest, why bother about any income other than salary.
The position in private is worst. Here the dishonest business establishment forces the employees to bribe the govt officers. The accountants in factories are forced by their employers to make fictitious accounts and indulge in fraud for saving taxes or avoiding action under labor law etc. Thus you may be honest in govt job but the private employer will force you to indulge in dishonesty for him. On this account, government service is better.
what abid was telling is correct. Since at the age of 20 or 21 our brain is with full of new ideas and the private companies out there are ready to make the effective use of it. But to get a government job at that age is not at possible since what they take inside is after the exams, interview and all kinds of reservation. U won't get what u deserve in a g. job. U can become a clerk, or an assistant after getting a masters and writing so many exams.
Shalu Joseph wrote:
[quote]to lohith
I wrote government jobs are more secure than private ones since as and when the boss irritated by ur work u may get fired in the private sector. But in G. Jobs atleast there will be certain procedure before laying off an employee[/quote]
Mam, why should our boss will get irritate by our work. Why we are getting paid, its for work. We will do work at right time. In government jobs you are saying if we not do work, then our boss will not fire us. From all this discussion i just notice that all of you who wanna government jobs, is because you not have to do work on right time.
[quote]to lohith
I wrote government jobs are more secure than private ones since as and when the boss irritated by ur work u may get fired in the private sector. But in G. Jobs atleast there will be certain procedure before laying off an employee[/quote]
Mam, why should our boss will get irritate by our work. Why we are getting paid, its for work. We will do work at right time. In government jobs you are saying if we not do work, then our boss will not fire us. From all this discussion i just notice that all of you who wanna government jobs, is because you not have to do work on right time.
Shalu Joseph wrote:
[quote]I do agree with Gulshan, but a small difference. All government jobs are good ones including IAS, Judicial as well as Municipal Sweepers. What make them different is how the employed one is performing there function in the office or where ever he/she suppose to work. I know IAS officers who never took a single rupee in there entire life time in service but simply vanished in history. But those who got money, involved in scandals, got famoused and they are named in high positions even as commissions after their retirement. The Judiciary is not that much better. Our Honourable Chief Justis Himself once told the media that Judiciary is corrupt and he is aware of the same, but can't do much about it. So I must say that in private or public the workaholics will work, the lazy once will take the name and those took bribes will earn and have high end connections[/quote]
This is the reality of government sector.
[quote]I do agree with Gulshan, but a small difference. All government jobs are good ones including IAS, Judicial as well as Municipal Sweepers. What make them different is how the employed one is performing there function in the office or where ever he/she suppose to work. I know IAS officers who never took a single rupee in there entire life time in service but simply vanished in history. But those who got money, involved in scandals, got famoused and they are named in high positions even as commissions after their retirement. The Judiciary is not that much better. Our Honourable Chief Justis Himself once told the media that Judiciary is corrupt and he is aware of the same, but can't do much about it. So I must say that in private or public the workaholics will work, the lazy once will take the name and those took bribes will earn and have high end connections[/quote]
This is the reality of government sector.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Shalu Joseph- There is no variation between your and my views. I only say that the govt jobs- especially in I.A.S. and other similar services and judiciary carry more authority and prestige. Individual character and merit is definitely important everywhere. As regards career prospects and fate of perfectly honest, We must agree that the society and therefore bureaucracy as well as business people consist of corrupt and selfish people. Hence, the successful are those who compromise with circumstances. The very idealist and dead honest are not liked by others and they suffer.
However, i must say that the corporate sector provides good opportunities to the brilliant and extraordinary whereas the govt jobs are for the mediocre.[/quote]
Your work makes your position & reputation in people eyes not your position.
[quote]Shalu Joseph- There is no variation between your and my views. I only say that the govt jobs- especially in I.A.S. and other similar services and judiciary carry more authority and prestige. Individual character and merit is definitely important everywhere. As regards career prospects and fate of perfectly honest, We must agree that the society and therefore bureaucracy as well as business people consist of corrupt and selfish people. Hence, the successful are those who compromise with circumstances. The very idealist and dead honest are not liked by others and they suffer.
However, i must say that the corporate sector provides good opportunities to the brilliant and extraordinary whereas the govt jobs are for the mediocre.[/quote]
Your work makes your position & reputation in people eyes not your position.
Abid Areacode wrote:
[quote]Lohit seth wrote:
[quote]
Gulshan sir, do you know what is the selection procedure of IAS. During interview selection officers demand for near about 5000000 Rs To 1 crore bribe.
In these days you can see in news mostly a lot IAS officers getting suspended, arrested for corruption and other non legal works. In these days big government officers maximum are corrupted, there is no inner respect from people for those IAS officer.[/quote]
I disagree with this point.Recently three of my neighbouring villagers received selection after interview.They were neither asked nor paid any bribe.Towards whom you say all these things.Bribe is there, I agree.But in posts like there may not be.But in railway recruitment and army recruitment process it occurs.It came due to the adoption of selection methods of private firms.[/quote]
Abid i just wanna say exception is every where. Nobody tell you if they give bribe for getting their position. So you just knew they got select. But in reality bribe works in this position. You can assume the ration 70% is corrupt and 30% is not Corrupted.
[quote]Lohit seth wrote:
[quote]
Gulshan sir, do you know what is the selection procedure of IAS. During interview selection officers demand for near about 5000000 Rs To 1 crore bribe.
In these days you can see in news mostly a lot IAS officers getting suspended, arrested for corruption and other non legal works. In these days big government officers maximum are corrupted, there is no inner respect from people for those IAS officer.[/quote]
I disagree with this point.Recently three of my neighbouring villagers received selection after interview.They were neither asked nor paid any bribe.Towards whom you say all these things.Bribe is there, I agree.But in posts like there may not be.But in railway recruitment and army recruitment process it occurs.It came due to the adoption of selection methods of private firms.[/quote]
Abid i just wanna say exception is every where. Nobody tell you if they give bribe for getting their position. So you just knew they got select. But in reality bribe works in this position. You can assume the ration 70% is corrupt and 30% is not Corrupted.
Ronark wrote:
[quote]I believe that there is total security in private jobs.You just need to be little attentive in your work.In india, in private job, you need to do hard work,thats true!,but they are paying you good amount of money.I believe there is mixed reaction of hard work in private jobs.In some jobs,they will pay you less for the hard work you do and on the otherside,in some jobs,they will pay more for less work.Risk is involve but can be neglected.In government jobs,the promotion is fixed at certain fix point,you reach.If you want to fulfill your dreams,private job is better.You struggle to fulfill your dreams,doing a government job.[/quote]
Totally agree with you ronark.
[quote]I believe that there is total security in private jobs.You just need to be little attentive in your work.In india, in private job, you need to do hard work,thats true!,but they are paying you good amount of money.I believe there is mixed reaction of hard work in private jobs.In some jobs,they will pay you less for the hard work you do and on the otherside,in some jobs,they will pay more for less work.Risk is involve but can be neglected.In government jobs,the promotion is fixed at certain fix point,you reach.If you want to fulfill your dreams,private job is better.You struggle to fulfill your dreams,doing a government job.[/quote]
Totally agree with you ronark.
Ronark wrote:
[quote]In today's days private companies are hiring the freshers .Companies are paying enough to them,hence a huge amount of attraction is there in private sector.Government jobs are having slow progress,steady.Corruption is also involve here,which brings the status.People are attracted towards private,because they pay you more from starting.[/quote]
Ronark your are saying right and one point also i wanna say. At this time private jobs are giving a lot of opportunities. Government jobs are nothing here.
If hardly there are 100 positions are came, then 50 or 60 is for SC/BC and others, then some amount of general category people get.
Why the entry form for general is 500 and for sc/bc its 200.
Positions must be given at the result of its capability.
[quote]In today's days private companies are hiring the freshers .Companies are paying enough to them,hence a huge amount of attraction is there in private sector.Government jobs are having slow progress,steady.Corruption is also involve here,which brings the status.People are attracted towards private,because they pay you more from starting.[/quote]
Ronark your are saying right and one point also i wanna say. At this time private jobs are giving a lot of opportunities. Government jobs are nothing here.
If hardly there are 100 positions are came, then 50 or 60 is for SC/BC and others, then some amount of general category people get.
Why the entry form for general is 500 and for sc/bc its 200.
Positions must be given at the result of its capability.
Lohit- You have commented on concessions to SC/ST in entry form fee. In fact, the reserved category candidates are benefited at every stage- entry fee, age concession, reservation quota at entry in job and promotions. This is govt. policy. We can do nothing about this. This discourages general category to select govt. job. However, there is no reservation in Armed Forces- Army, Navy and Air force. The three defence services are also a good choice to those who have NCC training and are good sportsmen. The army has scope for almost all types of degree viz. Engineering, telecommunication, medical, accountancy background. almost all trades in civil are also in Army.
However on the whole really outstanding candidates have better scope in big multinational companies and reputed Indian companies.
However on the whole really outstanding candidates have better scope in big multinational companies and reputed Indian companies.
Lohit seth wrote:
[quote]
If hardly there are 100 positions are came, then 50 or 60 is for SC/BC and others, then some amount of general category people get.
Why the entry form for general is 500 and for sc/bc its 200.
Positions must be given at the result of its capability.[/quote]
I agree hundred percent with Lohit. Positions must be based on qualification and ability. The constitutional reservation for backwards is supposed to be only for the real backwards. That too until they become forward, I mean, financially.
[quote]
If hardly there are 100 positions are came, then 50 or 60 is for SC/BC and others, then some amount of general category people get.
Why the entry form for general is 500 and for sc/bc its 200.
Positions must be given at the result of its capability.[/quote]
I agree hundred percent with Lohit. Positions must be based on qualification and ability. The constitutional reservation for backwards is supposed to be only for the real backwards. That too until they become forward, I mean, financially.
gulshan kumar ajmani wrote:
[quote]Lohit- You have commented on concessions to SC/ST in entry form fee. In fact, the reserved category candidates are benefited at every stage- entry fee, age concession, reservation quota at entry in job and promotions. This is govt. policy. We can do nothing about this. This discourages general category to select govt. job. However, there is no reservation in Armed Forces- Army, Navy and Air force. The three defence services are also a good choice to those who have NCC training and are good sportsmen. The army has scope for almost all types of degree viz. Engineering, telecommunication, medical, accountancy background. almost all trades in civil are also in Army.
However on the whole really outstanding candidates have better scope in big multinational companies and reputed Indian companies.[/quote]
Gulshan sir, do you know these days youth's interest is decreasing in Army, navy and airforce.
I think everyone read news after every some days that air force plan crashes and pilot got dead. Its happen every month.
I think you also knew this news when some group of bad people cut the legs of a policeman in south India and he got died, at that time ministers and other people no one came to save that person. In army field, see the condition of those retired army people and injured people in war. In full army job of lot of years they get a small pay and after retirement they are living like a poor people. Not have so much money to pay the fees for their child.
I also saw in news a army candidate lost his both hands in a bomb blast while saving normal people. After this army gave him retirement and he get nothing help from government. His wife do work.
So, if government not caring us then do you think our youth take interest in army area.
In army area maximum only those youth take part which don't have so much chance and high qualification. Maximum army candidates are only 12th passed.
[quote]Lohit- You have commented on concessions to SC/ST in entry form fee. In fact, the reserved category candidates are benefited at every stage- entry fee, age concession, reservation quota at entry in job and promotions. This is govt. policy. We can do nothing about this. This discourages general category to select govt. job. However, there is no reservation in Armed Forces- Army, Navy and Air force. The three defence services are also a good choice to those who have NCC training and are good sportsmen. The army has scope for almost all types of degree viz. Engineering, telecommunication, medical, accountancy background. almost all trades in civil are also in Army.
However on the whole really outstanding candidates have better scope in big multinational companies and reputed Indian companies.[/quote]
Gulshan sir, do you know these days youth's interest is decreasing in Army, navy and airforce.
I think everyone read news after every some days that air force plan crashes and pilot got dead. Its happen every month.
I think you also knew this news when some group of bad people cut the legs of a policeman in south India and he got died, at that time ministers and other people no one came to save that person. In army field, see the condition of those retired army people and injured people in war. In full army job of lot of years they get a small pay and after retirement they are living like a poor people. Not have so much money to pay the fees for their child.
I also saw in news a army candidate lost his both hands in a bomb blast while saving normal people. After this army gave him retirement and he get nothing help from government. His wife do work.
So, if government not caring us then do you think our youth take interest in army area.
In army area maximum only those youth take part which don't have so much chance and high qualification. Maximum army candidates are only 12th passed.
Shalu Joseph wrote:
[quote]Lohit seth wrote:
[quote]
If hardly there are 100 positions are came, then 50 or 60 is for SC/BC and others, then some amount of general category people get.
Why the entry form for general is 500 and for sc/bc its 200.
Positions must be given at the result of its capability.[/quote]
I agree hundred percent with Lohit. Positions must be based on qualification and ability. The constitutional reservation for backwards is supposed to be only for the real backwards. That too until they become forward, I mean, financially.[/quote]
Thanks Shalu Joseph.
[quote]Lohit seth wrote:
[quote]
If hardly there are 100 positions are came, then 50 or 60 is for SC/BC and others, then some amount of general category people get.
Why the entry form for general is 500 and for sc/bc its 200.
Positions must be given at the result of its capability.[/quote]
I agree hundred percent with Lohit. Positions must be based on qualification and ability. The constitutional reservation for backwards is supposed to be only for the real backwards. That too until they become forward, I mean, financially.[/quote]
Thanks Shalu Joseph.
As per GD topic "Government Jobs vs Private Jobs. Which one is better?"
I am going to conclude:
-->Government jobs are better for those who just wanna live a boring life because there is a very least amount of adventurous job in government sector. It makes people corrupt and lazy.
--> In my opinion private jobs are better for present youth and future youth. A person with full efforts can easily get his achievement in private sector.
--> Royal facilities, handsome income, nice growth in career, we can fulfill our dreams, do work according to time.
--> so i am in favor of private jobs.
I am going to conclude:
-->Government jobs are better for those who just wanna live a boring life because there is a very least amount of adventurous job in government sector. It makes people corrupt and lazy.
--> In my opinion private jobs are better for present youth and future youth. A person with full efforts can easily get his achievement in private sector.
--> Royal facilities, handsome income, nice growth in career, we can fulfill our dreams, do work according to time.
--> so i am in favor of private jobs.
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