Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?

usha manohar wrote:

The only advantage this particular policy has is bringing more children ( probably) into classrooms , other than that what the advisory board argues is right because it does lower the standards because the students don't need to work hard which is very essential during those formative years. I am all for scrapping the policy because it does not do any good for our education system and there are other ways of encouraging children to attend school !

You are right, this policy is all rubbish one. Giving certificate of 8th pass is no value if the student can not read Hindi and write their names. it is also failed in bringing more children in school. I rural are people like to get work at their filed than send to their children in school. The best way to bring more students in school is providing facilities in government school like private schools.

My only response to this thread is- why waste money for something that will yield only negative results.

suni51 wrote:

My only response to this thread is- why waste money for something that will yield only negative results.

I subscribe to your views.Additionally, about this issue, Forum discussed a lot covering all aspects involved. And majority of the Members  are of the opinion that the system should  be scrapped. Any further additions will amount to burdening the forum with repetitions of the same views.

rambabu wrote:

suni51 wrote:

My only response to this thread is- why waste money for something that will yield only negative results.

I subscribe to your views.Additionally, about this issue, Forum discussed a lot covering all aspects involved. And majority of the Members  are of the opinion that the system should  be scrapped. Any further additions will amount to burdening the forum with repetitions of the same views.

 

@suni51, didn't quite get it! You mean why waste money on govt schools or in trying to bring children to school ? In either case, isn't education the basis of progress of any nation?

@ rambabu, the topic has deviated from scrapping of the policy to the difference in education provided in private schools Vs Govt schools..and I think that's fine as they are related. 

 

Lopamudra wrote:

rambabu wrote:

suni51 wrote:

My only response to this thread is- why waste money for something that will yield only negative results.

I subscribe to your views.Additionally, about this issue, Forum discussed a lot covering all aspects involved. And majority of the Members  are of the opinion that the system should  be scrapped. Any further additions will amount to burdening the forum with repetitions of the same views.

 

@suni51, didn't quite get it! You mean why waste money on govt schools or in trying to bring children to school ? In either case, isn't education the basis of progress of any nation?

@ rambabu, the topic has deviated from scrapping of the policy to the difference in education provided in private schools Vs Govt schools..and I think that's fine as they are related. 

During forum discussions topic deviations are bound to happen. One leads to other. What I want to drive home is, this topic has been widely discussed leading to the conclusion" No detention policy" should be scrapped.I feel the discussion  has served its purpose.

 

 

The educationalist of this country are a confused lot.

They heap up the syllabus  without understanding the child age or needs. Oftentimes they set the standards so high.

This does not allow for conceptual clarity and ensuring that the there is sufficient time to lay strong  foundations.

Then they say don't detain children and make a farce of exams and the educational system itself. 

There is no logic or rationale to their approach. 

Sofs wrote:

The educationalist of this country are a confused lot.

They heap up the syllabus  without understanding the child age or needs. Oftentimes they set the standards so high.

This does not allow for conceptual clarity and ensuring that the there is sufficient time to lay strong  foundations.

Then they say don't detain children and make a farce of exams and the educational system itself. 

There is no logic or rationale to their approach. 

 

Agree with your views..very true about the syllabus and the fact about poor base owing to poor conceptual clarity. This also depends on the individual teachers .Good teachers take it upon themselves to ensure strong foundation. I can speak for CBSE as I have taught only in those schools, that they have tried a lot of things ranging from CCE ( continuous and comprehensive evaluation) which evaluates a child's progress on a regular basis without too much pressure , holding regular workshops for teachers and so on.

Lopamudra wrote:

@ Usha, yes the infrastructure In private schools and govt schools can not be compared which does lead to a lot of difference but It is also true that a school Is good or bad depending on its results which in turn Is dependent on its teaching staff. Parents want the best for their children or so It seems based on the Interactions I've had with people from different places. If the school results have been good they aimto put their children there sbject to clearing  stiff competition to get into these schools eith admission tests and so on...not talking of the new age scools but the old good schools do not really charge that high either...I have myself studied In Kendriya Vidyalayas , central govt schools, throughout and have taught on adhoc basis at times . I have found these schools to be doing really well in places where the teaching staff is good. In fact even now, the KVs are producing great results , their curriculum Includes NCERT books which cover the syllabus for competitive exams. So, cant really generalize...there is a side which raises concern but the entire education system can not be held at fault

 

 

There are certain rules and regulations that are applicable while enroling students into Kendriya Vidyalaya since it is meant for central government employees children or for those with transferable jobs etc .So, even though it is really good and well run, all through India majority of the people cannot send their children there even if they want to .So the only option would be to send them to expensive private schools.If we had better state run schools, this difference between the state run and private schools would decrease and even middle class people would look readily at that option

Coming back to the topic I feel that as of now India needs a system that needs uphaul right from the ground levels before experimenting with the education itself thereby diluting the quality

Sofs wrote:

The educationalist of this country are a confused lot.

They heap up the syllabus  without understanding the child age or needs. Oftentimes they set the standards so high.

This does not allow for conceptual clarity and ensuring that the there is sufficient time to lay strong  foundations.

Then they say don't detain children and make a farce of exams and the educational system itself. 

There is no logic or rationale to their approach. 

Indian education system is overflowing with foolish policies. As if this is not enough, ignorant parent also adding more woes to the already bad education system.

Lopamudra, I was mainly talking about ICSE and state syllabus which I am familiar with.  

Even teachers who are dedicated need the time and the energy to cover the syllabus in a short time frame. It would make more sense to cover a few important topics thoroughly before proceeding to the next. The system should  lessen the syllabus to allow this. 

The child would also feel comfortable and move ahead with ease. 

There would be no need for parents to run from pillar to post taking their children for tuitions. 

It could bring teachers a lot of satisfaction and motivate them to do better. 

The system needs to be fair both to teachers and students. 

With all said and done, all the aspects you pointed points out to one single factor, "Erratic, irrational education system."

Teachers are implementors of the policies laid out by the department of education.. The real culprit is " Policy Makers. "

usha manohar wrote:

Lopamudra wrote:

@ Usha, yes the infrastructure In private schools and govt schools can not be compared which does lead to a lot of difference but It is also true that a school Is good or bad depending on its results which in turn Is dependent on its teaching staff. Parents want the best for their children or so It seems based on the Interactions I've had with people from different places. If the school results have been good they aimto put their children there sbject to clearing  stiff competition to get into these schools eith admission tests and so on...not talking of the new age scools but the old good schools do not really charge that high either...I have myself studied In Kendriya Vidyalayas , central govt schools, throughout and have taught on adhoc basis at times . I have found these schools to be doing really well in places where the teaching staff is good. In fact even now, the KVs are producing great results , their curriculum Includes NCERT books which cover the syllabus for competitive exams. So, cant really generalize...there is a side which raises concern but the entire education system can not be held at fault

 

 

There are certain rules and regulations that are applicable while enroling students into Kendriya Vidyalaya since it is meant for central government employees children or for those with transferable jobs etc .So, even though it is really good and well run, all through India majority of the people cannot send their children there even if they want to .So the only option would be to send them to expensive private schools.If we had better state run schools, this difference between the state run and private schools would decrease and even middle class people would look readily at that option

Coming back to the topic I feel that as of now India needs a system that needs uphaul right from the ground levels before experimenting with the education itself thereby diluting the quality

 

Got your point. Was just trying to emphasize that govt can provide reasonably good infrastructure and education if they really want to..KVs are examples but their again it depends on the teachers because in many places teachers take it easy knowing it is govt job and unless they go terribly wrong no one can take it away from them .I also do agree that state run schools have a long way to go and govt needs to pay more attention there.

rambabu wrote:

With all said and done, all the aspects you pointed points out to one single factor, "Erratic, irrational education system."

Teachers are implementors of the policies laid out by the department of education.. The real culprit is " Policy Makers. "

 

I don't think we can be that harsh with the policy makers. The intentions were good..they wanted to have more children in school and provide at least the basics. It was also accepted by the schools at that time thinking it may do well. It's a different matter that it didn't work out as expected .So, reverting back seems to be the only option. Smriti Irani's decision still pending I guess or is it already announced?

 

Lopamudra wrote:

rambabu wrote:

With all said and done, all the aspects you pointed points out to one single factor, "Erratic, irrational education system."

Teachers are implementors of the policies laid out by the department of education.. The real culprit is " Policy Makers. "

 

I don't think we can be that harsh with the policy makers. The intentions were good..they wanted to have more children in school and provide at least the basics. It was also accepted by the schools at that time thinking it may do well. It's a different matter that it didn't work out as expected .So, reverting back seems to be the only option. Smriti Irani's decision still pending I guess or is it already announced?

A policy is not a matter meant for a day or two. It's supposed to see many years if not generations. A wise policy maker uses his forethought and makes policies.

"Expecting ", hoping, Ifs and Buts are mere excuses. And who are our Policy makers ? Illiterate, thick skulled species who call themselves as Ministers.

Winch is why  I hold responsible these policy makers for today's pathetic condition of the education system.

 

 

Lopamudra wrote:

rambabu wrote:

suni51 wrote:

My only response to this thread is- why waste money for something that will yield only negative results.

I subscribe to your views.Additionally, about this issue, Forum discussed a lot covering all aspects involved. And majority of the Members  are of the opinion that the system should  be scrapped. Any further additions will amount to burdening the forum with repetitions of the same views.

 

@suni51, didn't quite get it! You mean why waste money on govt schools or in trying to bring children to school ? In either case, isn't education the basis of progress of any nation?

 

Yes it is, but what is the use of wasting money on false admissions, false results (in fact no results)and eating up public funds by schools/ management/government machinery which all fabricate false data of students. And what the nation gets in return- nothing but extra bills for no gains whatsoever.

We need to change the system from bookish education to practical training that will help children get on job training and make them competent for earning their livelihood. 

 

 

suni51 wrote:

Lopamudra wrote:

rambabu wrote:

suni51 wrote:

My only response to this thread is- why waste money for something that will yield only negative results.

I subscribe to your views.Additionally, about this issue, Forum discussed a lot covering all aspects involved. And majority of the Members  are of the opinion that the system should  be scrapped. Any further additions will amount to burdening the forum with repetitions of the same views.

 

@suni51, didn't quite get it! You mean why waste money on govt schools or in trying to bring children to school ? In either case, isn't education the basis of progress of any nation?

 

Yes it is, but what is the use of wasting money on false admissions, false results (in fact no results)and eating up public funds by schools/ management/government machinery which all fabricate false data of students. And what the nation gets in return- nothing but extra bills for no gains whatsoever.

We need to change the system from bookish education to practical training that will help children get on job training and make them competent for earning their livelihood. 

While agreeing for the need of a change in education system that enables opportunities for livelihood, I would like to add, the change is not possible unless parents too realize what the purpose of education is. Most of the parents are satisfied seeing their children piling up degrees one after another.

 

 

 

No detention policy has got no meaning when due to it a huge gap in the standard of the students gets created. By the way, if the government wants to control the number of drop outs then they must arrange counselling sessions in the school in regular basis. Suppose this policy gets scrapped and the students who do not get promotion leave the school but at that very moment counselling will not be beneficial. It has to start quite early and make the students understand the value of education. Loss of one year is not that vital but to remain uneducated matters the most and that has to be taught to the children through motivational sessions. With light-hearted but meaningful lectures or through activity sessions, it must be instilled in the students that leaving school will solve no purpose but if they attend school and be attentive then life will change for the better. Without this and continuing with no detention policy will not take the nation forward but backward.

Earlier, Counseling sessions used to be held in the Parent - Teacher meets. The teachers used to bring forth the student's strong points and weak points to the parents. Thus such meets used to yield good results . Parents used to follow what  the teachers said and in the school, Teachers used to keep an eye on the backward student's progress.

Now the scenario is different. Parents look for the degrees their children pile up. And the teachers are after grabbing as many students as possible in to their institutions. On the whole the whole education system has become a farce.

@rambabu It's true that the education system has become a farce. This is one system where every day some or the other experiment is going on. Well, about counselling I stress on the point that the students need to be motivated through counselling. They must be made aware of not leaving school. There is one more problem I have observed that nowadays the students are extremely disrespectful towards their teachers and parents hardly take a step regarding it. Thus, there is a huge gap in communication between a teacher and a student. In such a position education suffers a lot.

I agree with you. Hostile behavior and no regard for teachers are much prevalent in the parent generation students. Then who is responsible for this sad state affairs ? Both parents and teachers are responsible. I can understand working parents in this regard are helpless.