Do you think science can explain everything around you?.
According to religion and philosophy , there is an intellect behind this universe, which can be called God.Now this cannot be explained by physics.But do you think, science can get an ultimate answer without considering this.Science go from one discovery to another, but can they end somewhere and say this is the last of it??.Can it end without the help of something beyond physics??
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@MC
I have maintained my firm opposition to any such skewed perception of religion.True religion transcends all division and narrowness.
@Kalyani
You have once again given a masterly treatment of the subject in very lucid terms.I would like to mention the great spiritual master Sri Ramakrishna in this context.Before Swami Vivekananda came into contact with he was a non-believer.He was a profoundly learned person and his studies and education led him to question the very existence of God. Shri Ramakrishna, being a person with no formal education, completely overwhelmed him spiritually to compel him to accept as his Guru. With his humble rural background and little formal education whatever he said and taught are subject matters of doctoral research in many foreign universities.Swami Vivekananda,his worthy disciple gave a new interpretation of Vedanta to conquer the world spiritually.
I have maintained my firm opposition to any such skewed perception of religion.True religion transcends all division and narrowness.
@Kalyani
You have once again given a masterly treatment of the subject in very lucid terms.I would like to mention the great spiritual master Sri Ramakrishna in this context.Before Swami Vivekananda came into contact with he was a non-believer.He was a profoundly learned person and his studies and education led him to question the very existence of God. Shri Ramakrishna, being a person with no formal education, completely overwhelmed him spiritually to compel him to accept as his Guru. With his humble rural background and little formal education whatever he said and taught are subject matters of doctoral research in many foreign universities.Swami Vivekananda,his worthy disciple gave a new interpretation of Vedanta to conquer the world spiritually.
@Chinmoy,
My focus here is the society.In the society the concept of “true religion” is theoretical idea.If you take the major world issues today majority of them are based on religion.The organized religion not only creates division but also bigot and fanatics you where talking last time.They not only creates division, but destroys the other.Another division by religion is caste system.I don’t think i should do any explanation about the division it makes in society!.
Religion in society or in hands of the masses has its degradation.Religion has made people narrow minded.The term ‘our people’ can be heard everywhere in society.This is what happens in society with religion.But the essence of religion is very different.Those who know the real purpose and essence of religion uphold the idea of universal acceptance and tolerance.They practice true religion, but unfortunately there are very few individuals like that.
My focus here is the society.In the society the concept of “true religion” is theoretical idea.If you take the major world issues today majority of them are based on religion.The organized religion not only creates division but also bigot and fanatics you where talking last time.They not only creates division, but destroys the other.Another division by religion is caste system.I don’t think i should do any explanation about the division it makes in society!.
Religion in society or in hands of the masses has its degradation.Religion has made people narrow minded.The term ‘our people’ can be heard everywhere in society.This is what happens in society with religion.But the essence of religion is very different.Those who know the real purpose and essence of religion uphold the idea of universal acceptance and tolerance.They practice true religion, but unfortunately there are very few individuals like that.
@ Deepti & kalyani,
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MC asked the question- why I do not believe in God. I think belief in God is not central to this thread nor I have mentioned anything about this. What I state that belief in religion is based on one's birth in a particular religion and so his religious ideas are formed. MC says that he is a Hindu. I am also a Hindu. So, by accident of birth, we are supposed to believe in Gita, Upnishads and epics like Ramayana and mahabharata. Same may be said about Muslims or Christians.
The scientific study is not related to birth in a particular community and this is free from bias. This I stressed. Again the question was whether Science can explain everything. Knowledge is infinite and it is unlikely that Science may explain everything. Pursuit of knowledge is continuous. Once Einstein said that he was like a child picking pebbles at the sea shore of knowledge. Scientific studies depend on observation and experimentation. When a new research negates previous findings, modification is necessary.
Religion and its beliefs are compartmentalized in different sects and groups and one consciously or unconsciously believes in the religious beliefs of his birth.
Although I said nothing about my personal belief in God, MC is correct. I am a non believer. So far, i have not seen, heard, smelt or touched God and I have no evidence of existence of God. Hence, I do not believe.
Deepti says that belief in God is personal belief. Although this is personal, I accept that we are all friends on this site and can unhesitatingly ask anything from anybody. I accept MC's right to ask me anything. As this is a separate matter, I shall answer this in a new thread.
The scientific study is not related to birth in a particular community and this is free from bias. This I stressed. Again the question was whether Science can explain everything. Knowledge is infinite and it is unlikely that Science may explain everything. Pursuit of knowledge is continuous. Once Einstein said that he was like a child picking pebbles at the sea shore of knowledge. Scientific studies depend on observation and experimentation. When a new research negates previous findings, modification is necessary.
Religion and its beliefs are compartmentalized in different sects and groups and one consciously or unconsciously believes in the religious beliefs of his birth.
Although I said nothing about my personal belief in God, MC is correct. I am a non believer. So far, i have not seen, heard, smelt or touched God and I have no evidence of existence of God. Hence, I do not believe.
Deepti says that belief in God is personal belief. Although this is personal, I accept that we are all friends on this site and can unhesitatingly ask anything from anybody. I accept MC's right to ask me anything. As this is a separate matter, I shall answer this in a new thread.
@Deepti, thanks I will write a detailed article on him!
@MC, that's a nice quotation from J. Robert Oppenheimer. Around the time when he was faced with the moral dilemma of having built the destrutive bombs that would destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is probable that he would have turned to Bhagwad Gita to find answers to his doubts.
@Gulshan you say Although I said nothing about my personal belief in God, MC is correct. I am a non believer. So far, i have not seen, heard, smelt or touched God and I have no evidence of existence of God..
With due respect to what you are and what you believe in, isn't it equally true that you DO have faith in yourself, the person that you have grown up to be. Also the beliefs of people around you, your parents who raised you. Their beliefs have played a definitive role here. As to the existence of God, even without giving Him a definitive form, you can still find his presence in the nature, the sun, the stars, moon, seas, oceans, flowers, trees, birds, butterflies, even tiny insects. You may choose to say that all started with Big Bang Theory or whatever else! but who decided that it all happen? There IS and WILL ALWAYS BE a supreme power above all. Some of us may choose to call that power as God while some may not!
Again these are my views!!
@Sourabh, thanks for the link!
@Santosh, you say that science cannot give life to body, but that is in the science that we know as of today. Our very highly educated ancestors had mastered even that! The knowledge that they had gained, we chose to throw that all away and turned to education system belonging to foreigners!
@MC, that's a nice quotation from J. Robert Oppenheimer. Around the time when he was faced with the moral dilemma of having built the destrutive bombs that would destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is probable that he would have turned to Bhagwad Gita to find answers to his doubts.
@Gulshan you say Although I said nothing about my personal belief in God, MC is correct. I am a non believer. So far, i have not seen, heard, smelt or touched God and I have no evidence of existence of God..
With due respect to what you are and what you believe in, isn't it equally true that you DO have faith in yourself, the person that you have grown up to be. Also the beliefs of people around you, your parents who raised you. Their beliefs have played a definitive role here. As to the existence of God, even without giving Him a definitive form, you can still find his presence in the nature, the sun, the stars, moon, seas, oceans, flowers, trees, birds, butterflies, even tiny insects. You may choose to say that all started with Big Bang Theory or whatever else! but who decided that it all happen? There IS and WILL ALWAYS BE a supreme power above all. Some of us may choose to call that power as God while some may not!
Again these are my views!!
@Sourabh, thanks for the link!
@Santosh, you say that science cannot give life to body, but that is in the science that we know as of today. Our very highly educated ancestors had mastered even that! The knowledge that they had gained, we chose to throw that all away and turned to education system belonging to foreigners!
MC wrote
[quote]A karma yogi need not believe in God, but he is much greater person than who chant the name of god thousand times without doing anything real and good.[/quote]
Dear MC..
Can you tell me the sloka of Gita , where it is mentioned..
Since you are referring Gita so I am asking..
[quote]A karma yogi need not believe in God, but he is much greater person than who chant the name of god thousand times without doing anything real and good.[/quote]
Dear MC..
Can you tell me the sloka of Gita , where it is mentioned..
Since you are referring Gita so I am asking..
Kumaresh,
This words are not a direct translation of a sloka, but my words of understanding.I will explain it.
In Gita, the central idea is about karma yoga, where Krishna ask Arjuna to do his karma to fight.In Gita there are slokas where it is said that karma yoga is the greatest path.I hope you agree with me.
Now about Karma yoga i quote the words of Swami Vivekananda.
""Karma-Yoga is a system of ethics and religion intended to attain freedom through unselfishness and by good works.The karma-yogi need not believe in any doctrine whatever.He may not believe even in God.""
Thus i understand that karma-yogi is a much greater person.So it is for everyone.Even for people without religion.
This words are not a direct translation of a sloka, but my words of understanding.I will explain it.
In Gita, the central idea is about karma yoga, where Krishna ask Arjuna to do his karma to fight.In Gita there are slokas where it is said that karma yoga is the greatest path.I hope you agree with me.
Now about Karma yoga i quote the words of Swami Vivekananda.
""Karma-Yoga is a system of ethics and religion intended to attain freedom through unselfishness and by good works.The karma-yogi need not believe in any doctrine whatever.He may not believe even in God.""
Thus i understand that karma-yogi is a much greater person.So it is for everyone.Even for people without religion.
Kalyani- You have just mentioned that there must be some supreme Powere behind nature and universe etc. But how you reply who is beyond supreme power. Why not accept that nature itself is supreme. according to Hindu Philosophy, soul is neither born nor will die. So there is no creater of soul. same can be said of nature. In fact, the Tretavad theory of Hinduism states that God, soul and nature always existed and are not born. Thus where is the creator.
In fact, the concepts of God, soul, devil,satan etc are hypothetical. People generally believe what is traditionally told to them according to community of birth. We cannot say wheteh Hindu, christian or Muslim theory is correct. Even Hindus have too many theories. we donot know who is correct.
In fact, the concepts of God, soul, devil,satan etc are hypothetical. People generally believe what is traditionally told to them according to community of birth. We cannot say wheteh Hindu, christian or Muslim theory is correct. Even Hindus have too many theories. we donot know who is correct.
Abid- There are different beliefs based on religion about universe. Here the question is whether Science can explain everything. Undoubtedly, the universe is very vast and it is not possible to explain everything with certainty. Pursuit of knowledge is a continuous process. science continues to discover secrets of universe and new facts are revealed continuously- sometimes substituting the old research.
As regards religion, the beliefs are without proper research and people blindly believe in the thoughts peculiar to the religious community to which they belong.
As regards religion, the beliefs are without proper research and people blindly believe in the thoughts peculiar to the religious community to which they belong.
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