No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation

 We are experts in delivering Sermons.  And these sermons are meant for others. In general Indians are hypocrites of nth order. Tell me how many are here who lend their helping hand to others during a crisis.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

I dont see how blaming politicians for everything helps because here I have started a thread about a murder and how insensitive and heartless people are in our country.There were no politicians there but people ..A insensitive and selfish population deserves a selfish and greedy leader, so we get what we deserve !

Actually, it's an Indian trait to pass the buck on someone else's shoulder so it's nothing new that we blame politicians for our own heartless behaviour. Today, I read an article regarding the violence that took place after Mrs. Indira Gandhi's death made me feel that if people want then many things can change for the better. Sharing the link:

http://www.india.com/news/india/silver-lining-to-1984-genocide-bengalis-at-chittaranjan-park-formed-human-chain-to-save-sikhs-from-slaughter-925896/

 

 

I totally agree with that Shampa , people have the power to change the course of things. Here at Manipal too a few Sikh students were about t be butchered by the Congress party goons  in 1984 but some auto drivers and truck drivers intervened and they were saved from death although they were severely beaten and wounded.

Reading about such caring incidents give us joy but when time demands the same from us, we fail to respond positively. We are indeed heartless. We even teach our young ones not to get involved in such traumatic stray incidents. That's how we teach our next generation to be selfish and uncaring towards others. 

 

Caring, sharing and more importantly owning up ones mistake are all good behavioral traits that we need to cultivate in our youngsters . I also feel that giving too much importance to self can be detrimental to ones personalty growth. All these traits make a person uncaring of other people's suffering.

vijay wrote:

Today there is a news item that the dead body of a martyr jawan from Pampore incident was not allowed to be cremated by upper caste persons in his village at a particular spot, because he was from a lower caste. After administration intervened it was carried out. Can there be a more shameful incident than this. Why should lower community persons defend upper castes? Such uncaring indifference even towards a dead body can happen only in India. No doubt a bleeding Indian on a road or a platform is not attended to by bystanders. They do not know the victim's cast. We should hang our heads in shame.

I experienced a similar case a few years ago. During my morning walk, I had seen a man was lying unconscious in a pool of blood. People gathered around. But no one was bothered to call an Ambulance to take the victim to a hospital. When I started to call an Ambulance, a bystander stopped me. He has offered an unsolicited advise not to involve myself. Because the the Doctor and police will harass the person who lodge the complaint. Of course luckily a cab driver came to the rescue.

This apathy, lack of concern in the citizens is not a new thing.

But the police will only ask for the details as you saw them. There is no harassment and if it is it is rare. I believe some time back it has been officially also stated that police will not detain a helping bystander. So this myth needs to be debunked. 

May be. If that's the condition, By standers will come forward to help the victims in a mishap and do the needful

rambabu wrote:

 We are experts in delivering Sermons.  And these sermons are meant for others. In general Indians are hypocrites of nth order. Tell me how many are here who lend their helping hand to others during a crisis.

 

At least now you are being truthful about yourself..

The state has to  create such that emergency help is available very fast. What can bystanders actually do?

It is highly disappointing that the Chief Minister Jayalalitha has not uttered a single word of condolence nor has she condemned the attitude of the people in her state where the public remained a mute spectator rather than help the poor girl. The  parents feel devastated by the fact that noone came forward to help her 

http://www.ndtv.com/chennai-news/no-one-tried-to-save-my-daughter-says-chennai-infosys-techies-father-1424349

Madam has talked about two recent incidents.  However, we need to examine why such behavior is the order of the day.  It is sheer common sense and a fact of life that the police are so insensitive and literally harass the poor people who help the victim or even take them to the hospital.  The endless trial in such cases will call for the witness to be present each time in the court.

Am told that in the USA, there is a huge protection to all such people who go all out to help the victims of such horrible crimes.  It is said that there is even monetary help for such people, who would turn out to be witnesses.

Perhaps our laws need to be amended and we also need the same kind of protection.  Only then will things change.

Conditions in US are Different from that of India. Those people who come forward to lend their helping hand at the time of need are harassed in India. In addition to this, as you said Police here are insensitive. We all know the fate of Whistle Blowers, whose mission is to Help others and destitute.

The police harassment part is being unnecessarily exaggerated. Lot of it is hearsay. A man is dying and you will not help him because you might be called to court a couple of times to collaborate your statement. Only insensitive persons can think and talk like this. If you do not want to help do not do it but do not justify your inaction under cover of police harassment.

rambabu wrote:

Conditions in US are Different from that of India. Those people who come forward to lend their helping hand at the time of need are harassed in India. In addition to this, as you said Police here are insensitive. We all know the fate of Whistle Blowers, whose mission is to Help others and destitute.

What happen with whistle blowers, was not possible without support of police and politicians. In India police is to create fear in common peoples and to serve and entertain politicians and powerful peoples.

 

vijay wrote:

The state has to  create such that emergency help is available very fast. What can bystanders actually do?

The bystanders can come forward and actually help carry the victims to the nearest hospital instead of taking videos and photos which is what happening recently in some cases. They just stood around taking photos while the victims  bled to death. More often than not, the victims of such accident die because of heavy bleeding, if they are taken to hospital quickly most would survive.

There are provisions, that help the people in getting  Ambulance services, nearest Medical centers  etc. One can see the notifications on National highways. But how many know about these facilities. Despite this, " Urgency " of Medical attention  has to be seen. In case of fatal accidents, death  may occur within minutes. In such accidents, , I have seen once a kindhearted , took the Victim in his car to a Primary Health Center .The Doctor on duty informed the Police. Till the police arrived, the victim was not given any medical help resulting in his death.

Provisions are there. But meaningless formalities are the real reason for more deaths in Road accidents.

@Kaklyani and @rambabu, i agree that by standers can provide logistic help. What I meant was what life saving medical help they can provide for which emergency arrangements should be in place. The doctor who waited for police to come should have been prosecuted for negligence. I wonder if there is a rule that till police arrive no treatment can be started. Plesae show such provision, because if it is there it should be removed.

There is a rule, that in case of any accident the concerned Doctor must lodge a complaint to the police. Doctors are adhering to the rule. There is nothing with the Doctor.

Let him lodge a complaint but what is preventing him from starting the treatment. By allowing the victim to die who is gaining. Something is wrong somewhere.

It's the System. Whether the Doctor lodges the complaint or not is not within the purview of this discussion. What we are discussing here is about the prevailing practices and their ill effects.

vijay wrote:

@Kaklyani and @rambabu, i agree that by standers can provide logistic help. What I meant was what life saving medical help they can provide for which emergency arrangements should be in place. The doctor who waited for police to come should have been prosecuted for negligence. I wonder if there is a rule that till police arrive no treatment can be started. Plesae show such provision, because if it is there it should be removed.

I do not know if there is a law that says that all accident victims can be treated only after a police complaint has been registered or they have been notified of the mishap, but it definitely is true that most doctors refuse to touch patients in the absence of the police. But only doctors cannot be blamed for it, because it has happened so that they have been harassed by either police because they had to do 'panchnama' of the accident or the victim  died and his relatives beat up the doctor on duty for negligence etc. The reasons are numerous and we cannot deny that the system is rotten to the core and severe cleaning has to be done to make it work in favor of common people.

But my observation was in general. The attitude of bystanders is changing from being helpful and considerate to being mere audiences and looking at the mishap as if it were some form of entertainment. That is what is more worrying than even the police or doctors. If the bystanders were more active and tried to help, they can very easily persuade the police and the doctors to take quick action and help save at least some victims, if not all.

First of all this fear psychosis about the police is highly exaggerated. I remember the first time I had to go to the police station was to lodge a complaint about having lost my mobile. I was asked to take a man with me and what not, but it so happened that I went alone and was surprised to see the SI and the constable most co operative and helpful. After that I have gone so many times because of different reasons and my experience with the changing staff has always been the same. If one has to put up with a little bit of inconvenience while helping someone to save their life, I dont see why people shrug off their responsibility towards the society ! It is nothing but selfishness to blame the police and most of these people who speak about insensitivity and fate of whistle blowers etc etc , do so in the comfort of their hme, never having had any personal experience .

Secondly, there is no such rule at all that unless police come and inspect the accident or crime victim, no action should betaken by the doctor. My sister and bro in law both work for bot govt services and have their own private hospitals and they say it is one by doctors, so that they dont need to be held accountable if the victim dies ! All said and done we are a very selfish and heartless society and becoming more so with increased levels of education and so called " Awareness"