Your reputation depends on what kind of people you are working with.

I would stick to my ways. I always believe that I am a misfit in this world because most of the people around me behave very differently from me. Now the point is, should I change my attitude just to adjust to my surrounding? No, I won't because I know that I am not dishonest and I never harm others so there is no question of changing myself according to those people who suppose to believe in all the negative ways of life. My reputation has to be intact so that I can face my conscience and in that phase the outer world cannot govern me. They are the hurdles of my life with whom I have to work and must not develop any personal relationship.  

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

It is widely known that a man is known by the company he keeps. as regards colleaugues or business asociates, this is different matter. You can't choose pesons with whom you will work. It is a virtue to adjust even with those who are of diffrent type. 

Agreed sir. you can't choose the persons with whom you work. But everybody cannot adjust themselves to the different atmosphere and different people with whom you work. But there is an option always. If one cannot adjust, it is better to leave instead of getting suffocated in unfavorable condition.

It is not practicable. As a petty entrepreneur, you may choose employees. In small organization, you may exercise influence for getting co workersof your choice. But it is usually nor possible. Persons of diggerent habits and mind set are required to work together as a team. Now if you feel suffocated in anofice envirnment, there is no guarantee that elsewhee you will get an environment of your liking. Actuallly ability to get on with all sorts of individuals is a virtue. Here on the Boddunan site itself, we find members with different mindset, ability and temperament. But we adjust with all

 

While agreeing with all the points which are apt and appropriate, i have a doubt. Suppose there is a team which is appointed for discharging a job by an organization. If in this team if there are members with the same nature and same objective the job is performed successfully. Contrary to this if the members of the team disagree with each other what the team leader can do and what he can achieve ? in these conditions will it not jeopardize the very purpose of the Team ?

 

 

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

It is widely known that a man is known by the company he keeps. as regards colleaugues or business asociates, this is different matter. You can't choose pesons with whom you will work. It is a virtue to adjust even with those who are of diffrent type. 

Agreed sir. you can't choose the persons with whom you work. But everybody cannot adjust themselves to the different atmosphere and different people with whom you work. But there is an option always. If one cannot adjust, it is better to leave instead of getting suffocated in unfavorable condition.

It is not practicable. As a petty entrepreneur, you may choose employees. In small organization, you may exercise influence for getting co workersof your choice. But it is usually nor possible. Persons of diggerent habits and mind set are required to work together as a team. Now if you feel suffocated in anofice envirnment, there is no guarantee that elsewhee you will get an environment of your liking. Actuallly ability to get on with all sorts of individuals is a virtue. Here on the Boddunan site itself, we find members with different mindset, ability and temperament. But we adjust with all

 

While agreeing with all the points which are apt and appropriate, i have a doubt. Suppose there is a team which is appointed for discharging a job by an organization. If in this team if there are members with the same nature and same objective the job is performed successfully. Contrary to this if the members of the team disagree with each other what the team leader can do and what he can achieve ? in these conditions will it not jeopardize the very purpose of the Team ?

 

Yes. I agree. But acapable team leader should have capacity to convince all. Also if some still disagree, he can say that he respects their views but as a team leader it is his responsibility to perform the task and he would expect that his decision is emplemented by all. A business and government organization differs from norms of democracy.  The leader will get views of all and discuss. But at the end his decision will prevail. There would be no issue. It is very rare that all in a group will agree on a point. It is majority view or the view of team leader that prevails. If it is not possible even then to agree on some point, opinion of higher level authorities or organization can be sought after which thee will be no difficulty. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

It is widely known that a man is known by the company he keeps. as regards colleaugues or business asociates, this is different matter. You can't choose pesons with whom you will work. It is a virtue to adjust even with those who are of diffrent type. 

Agreed sir. you can't choose the persons with whom you work. But everybody cannot adjust themselves to the different atmosphere and different people with whom you work. But there is an option always. If one cannot adjust, it is better to leave instead of getting suffocated in unfavorable condition.

It is not practicable. As a petty entrepreneur, you may choose employees. In small organization, you may exercise influence for getting co workersof your choice. But it is usually nor possible. Persons of diggerent habits and mind set are required to work together as a team. Now if you feel suffocated in anofice envirnment, there is no guarantee that elsewhee you will get an environment of your liking. Actuallly ability to get on with all sorts of individuals is a virtue. Here on the Boddunan site itself, we find members with different mindset, ability and temperament. But we adjust with all

 

While agreeing with all the points which are apt and appropriate, i have a doubt. Suppose there is a team which is appointed for discharging a job by an organization. If in this team if there are members with the same nature and same objective the job is performed successfully. Contrary to this if the members of the team disagree with each other what the team leader can do and what he can achieve ? in these conditions will it not jeopardize the very purpose of the Team ?

 

Yes. I agree. But acapable team leader should have capacity to convince all. Also if some still disagree, he can say that he respects their views but as a team leader it is his responsibility to perform the task and he would expect that his decision is emplemented by all. A business and government organization differs from norms of democracy.  The leader will get views of all and discuss. But at the end his decision will prevail. There would be no issue. It is very rare that all in a group will agree on a point. It is majority view or the view of team leader that prevails. If it is not possible even then to agree on some point, opinion of higher level authorities or organization can be sought after which thee will be no difficulty. 

Thank you sir for clearing my doubts and suspicions. I could understand the entire situation in different contexts and conditions.

Lopamudra wrote:

@Jeets, as you said, we do respond to different situations depending upon the stimulus( here, behavior of various people) . We may be peace loving people at heart but if we encounter dishonesty or aggressiveness ,we do react accordingly. But reputation is not something earned depending on your reactions or backbiters. Reputation is gained over the years. A person who is calm and peace loving by nature  will ultimately be seen the way he is because his natural instinct or reaction would be to sort out matters or stay away from such people or mend bridges. Likewise an honest person will be judged based on his work and not on what people speak behind his back.

I would agree with that . We also have to remember that at any given time different people view us differently based on many factors , personal or work based.So one cannot go around pleasing everyone nor worry about what people think of you. You do what you have to do within your ability and you will build a reputation of your own regardless of who you are with ...

If the heart is the chamber and conscience the lamp

holding it we have to keep its flame high and aglow in all conditions and in the face of all odds and adversities.The conscience of all great personages were not made of plasticine but diamond.Only yesmen and time-servers trot out utilitarian arguments to hide their moral poverty and turpitude.

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

If the heart is the chamber and conscience the lamp

holding it we have to keep its flame high and aglow in all conditions and in the face of all odds and adversities.The conscience of all great personages were not made of plasticine but diamond.Only yesmen and time-servers trot out utilitarian arguments to hide their moral poverty and turpitude.

Very true, having said that I feel fence sitting is a national pastime in our country so much so that people change their views with every turn of events. And on the other hand some people who think they are firm in their stand on issues can be stubborn to the point where they refuse to distinguish right from wrong, both equally difficult propositions for those who have to deal with them on a day today basis !!!!

@Usha We are not discussing the typical behavioral disorder of some,not accepting the reality as it is but broader point of validity of conduct remaining steadfastly loyal to one's core principles.Had not Mahatma,Raja Ram Mohan Roy,Vidyasagar remained obstinate(!) to their chosen paths and goals the destiny of women of this country would have veered off to a different trajectory altogether. It was not a moral luxury for them but a necessity. How contemporaries treated them ? With stings of ridicule and heaps of insults.They shone gloriously in their majestic isolation. To cite a recent case which can open the eyes of those who wear utilitarian blinkers.All we know how Satyam Computers and its founder Raju courted disaster by only lending his soul to his majority of evil-doing ministers by completely eliminating the saner and conscientious elements!

Raja Ram Mohan Roy is a great historical figure who put laudable efforts to transform India and dared to defy the age old Hindu traditions.His relentless fight against Sati system which caused lot of brow raising around. He was threatened in many ways including castigation. But nothing stopped him.

Thank you all who have responded to this thread and enlighten me with your own thought and experience.

 Thankfully I have left that organization and I have no regret about it. 

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

@Usha We are not discussing the typical behavioral disorder of some,not accepting the reality as it is but broader point of validity of conduct remaining steadfastly loyal to one's core principles.Had not Mahatma,Raja Ram Mohan Roy,Vidyasagar remained obstinate(!) to their chosen paths and goals the destiny of women of this country would have veered off to a different trajectory altogether. It was not a moral luxury for them but a necessity. How contemporaries treated them ? With stings of ridicule and heaps of insults.They shone gloriously in their majestic isolation. To cite a recent case which can open the eyes of those who wear utilitarian blinkers.All we know how Satyam Computers and its founder Raju courted disaster by only lending his soul to his majority of evil-doing ministers by completely eliminating the saner and conscientious elements!

I agree with what you say, but such people as Raja Ram Mohan Roy , Vidyasagar and others who have worked tirelessly without bothering about the insults and oppositions are very few ...For the vast majority of the people it is a matter of compromise and sycophancy if necessary to get their work done or make their positions secure. I also feel that today it is very difficult to distinguish between the really committed people and the ones that pretend to be so. I guess it is beacuse we have become so cynical with our society and people in general!

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

@Usha We are not discussing the typical behavioral disorder of some,not accepting the reality as it is but broader point of validity of conduct remaining steadfastly loyal to one's core principles.Had not Mahatma,Raja Ram Mohan Roy,Vidyasagar remained obstinate(!) to their chosen paths and goals the destiny of women of this country would have veered off to a different trajectory altogether. It was not a moral luxury for them but a necessity. How contemporaries treated them ? With stings of ridicule and heaps of insults.They shone gloriously in their majestic isolation. To cite a recent case which can open the eyes of those who wear utilitarian blinkers.All we know how Satyam Computers and its founder Raju courted disaster by only lending his soul to his majority of evil-doing ministers by completely eliminating the saner and conscientious elements!

 

Agree with your views but it is not just about one's own integrity and doing what is right no matter what. It is also about standing up against or raising voice against what is wrong and in the process many a times going against the tide. This can lead to difficult situations like being framed or being a social outcast or spoken ill of. A person's reputation can not depend on that either.At the end of the day a person is known by what he is and not what he is made out to be!

Some have given example of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, a great social revolutionary who fought successfully for abolition of Sati. But the theme is that a man is known by the company he keeps with.  This is beyond doubt.  A man moves with people of his type. Birds of a feather flock together. But again the theme is moving with persons you are working with.  Moving in social relation and friends differs from moving with persons you  work with.  You will definitely choose friends of your own liking and you will be known by the company you keep. But when it comes to work, you have to work with people of diverse type. It is a merit to adjust with persons of different type as I have said elsewhere in this thread.  You cannot always choose colleagues, boss and subordinates.  You have to work with those who have been appointed to work with you.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Some have given example of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, a great social revolutionary who fought successfully for abolition of Sati. But the theme is that a man is known by the company he keeps with.  This is beyond doubt.  A man moves with people of his type. Birds of a feather flock together. But again the theme is moving with persons you are working with.  Moving in social relation and friends differs from moving with persons you  work with.  You will definitely choose friends of your own liking and you will be known by the company you keep. But when it comes to work, you have to work with people of diverse type. It is a merit to adjust with persons of different type as I have said elsewhere in this thread.  You cannot always choose colleagues, boss and subordinates.  You have to work with those who have been appointed to work with you.

Of course sir, one cannot choose the personnel with whom you are going to work. Appointing the persons is in the somebody's hands. But can have the option to work with them or otherwise. If you are confident enough that you can make the personnel appointed to make them work according to your methods and beliefs, you can work with them. Otherwise your only option left for you is to quit. It all depends on how you view and and interpret the things.

While drawing an analogy with flocking birds,we have to accept that our avian friends hold a much superior record in terms of credibility and credentials.They always remain true to their feathers unlike their human counterparts who are notorious for flitting,flirting,strutting on borrowed and camouflaged feathers!!!

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Some have given example of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, a great social revolutionary who fought successfully for abolition of Sati. But the theme is that a man is known by the company he keeps with.  This is beyond doubt.  A man moves with people of his type. Birds of a feather flock together. But again the theme is moving with persons you are working with.  Moving in social relation and friends differs from moving with persons you  work with.  You will definitely choose friends of your own liking and you will be known by the company you keep. But when it comes to work, you have to work with people of diverse type. It is a merit to adjust with persons of different type as I have said elsewhere in this thread.  You cannot always choose colleagues, boss and subordinates.  You have to work with those who have been appointed to work with you.

Of course sir, one cannot choose the personnel with whom you are going to work. Appointing the persons is in the somebody's hands. But can have the option to work with them or otherwise. If you are confident enough that you can make the personnel appointed to make them work according to your methods and beliefs, you can work with them. Otherwise your only option left for you is to quit. It all depends on how you view and and interpret the things.

My only fear is that if you can't adjust in working environment and decide to quit, then you may have to quit again and again as it is seldom that you get colleagues or associates according to your own choice. 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Some have given example of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, a great social revolutionary who fought successfully for abolition of Sati. But the theme is that a man is known by the company he keeps with.  This is beyond doubt.  A man moves with people of his type. Birds of a feather flock together. But again the theme is moving with persons you are working with.  Moving in social relation and friends differs from moving with persons you  work with.  You will definitely choose friends of your own liking and you will be known by the company you keep. But when it comes to work, you have to work with people of diverse type. It is a merit to adjust with persons of different type as I have said elsewhere in this thread.  You cannot always choose colleagues, boss and subordinates.  You have to work with those who have been appointed to work with you.

Of course sir, one cannot choose the personnel with whom you are going to work. Appointing the persons is in the somebody's hands. But can have the option to work with them or otherwise. If you are confident enough that you can make the personnel appointed to make them work according to your methods and beliefs, you can work with them. Otherwise your only option left for you is to quit. It all depends on how you view and and interpret the things.

My only fear is that if you can't adjust in working environment and decide to quit, then you may have to quit again and again as it is seldom that you get colleagues or associates according to your own choice. 

 

Of course. Luckily it did not happen with me in the past. I  did not force anybody to follow me. It was the Boss of my Ad agency agreed with me. Seeing this my other colleagues to followed the suit.

 

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

 

My only fear is that if you can't adjust in working environment and decide to quit, then you may have to quit again and again as it is seldom that you get colleagues or associates according to your own choice. 

 

 

Very true, we cannot choose nor change the atmosphere most of the times. We have to adjust and compromise at all levels or else you stick out like a sore thumb ! Expecting an organisation to adjust to you is unreasonable unless you have some stake in it ..

usha manohar wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

 

My only fear is that if you can't adjust in working environment and decide to quit, then you may have to quit again and again as it is seldom that you get colleagues or associates according to your own choice. 

 

 

Very true, we cannot choose nor change the atmosphere most of the times. We have to adjust and compromise at all levels or else you stick out like a sore thumb ! Expecting an organisation to adjust to you is unreasonable unless you have some stake in it ..

 

That is worth considering and give it a thought.

yes, our reputation depends on the people we are chatting with or the people with whom we are roaming here and there and also depends on the associate where we work day and night. people often compare us with whom they see with us