triple talaq/ uniform civil code and Hidutva!

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Any thinking individual can see that both marriage and divorce regardless of religion have social significance. Unless they are brought under a uniform code there are bound to be even more serious repercussion...it is a shame that the previous govts not only did not implement this but now are bent on appeasing the minorities and the funny thing is the so called rationals who are ready to ridicule any and every practice followed by Hinduism but are ready to side with every corrupt practice of the minorities. I feel more than the minorities, it is these psuedos who have totally conmunalised and divided our society along with the Congress party

True...especially now are the times when because of education and globalization, communities are becoming homogenised more and more than in the past when girls and boys were largely segregated and not allowed to mingle together. The world is now coming closer and attempts to stick to traditions rigidly would only lead to conflicts and deter any progress. It is a time when there is an increased need for uniform laws and therefore, no matter, what the opposition, the redundant laws related to talaq etc. need to be discarded. Sticking to them will only bring more conflicts.

Although the educated women are opposed to the triple talaq, the majority are ok with it because they can eadily remarry . There was a mention in the papers about a young Muslim lady who has openly questioned her husband who apparently asked for a divorce because he did not like her and the religious leaders would grant his wish because he is a man..

It is inappropriate to judge Mulsims' personal law from Hindu view point. Marriage is a pious cord that joins a Hindu couple for seven lives. On the other hand, a Muslim marriage is mere contract.  Unlike Hindu, there is provision for divorce in Islam.  A Hindu separated  woman suffers from stigma unlike a Muslim woman.  A Muslim woman can easily remarry.  Muslim women also have right to divorce under 'khula' mode.  However triple talaq as practiced is improper. Uttering the word 'talaq' just in a few second or a minute is improper. There should be some gap- reasonably for about a month between each utterance.  A man may change his mind between first and second or second and third and not say talaq three times. 

Triple Talaq is nowhere mentioned in Quran. Quran gives equal right to both husband and wife to seek divorce.There is a widely known incident, when the Prophet of Islam was displeased and reprimanded a man  for divorcing his wife just by saying three times Talaq.

It is now high time that we stop talking about "Hindu Women" and "Muslim women", "Hindu rights" and "Muslim rights". It is time to talk about the rights of women in general, rights that women should enjoy being a citizen of a progressive nation.  So any practice that demeans the dignity of women should be banned in all the religions. Lets see women as human being whose dignity is as precious as that of a man irrespective of the religion she belongs. Lets not safeguard patriarchal mindset in the garb of religious beliefs.  

Triple Talaq robs a woman's fundamental rights. Irrespective of any religion, a woman is entitled to live with dignity. Its because the topic is about Triple Talaq, we are discussing about Triple Talaq.

Arunima Singh wrote:

It is now high time that we stop talking about "Hindu Women" and "Muslim women", "Hindu rights" and "Muslim rights". It is time to talk about the rights of women in general, rights that women should enjoy being a citizen of a progressive nation.  So any practice that demeans the dignity of women should be banned in all the religions. Lets see women as human being whose dignity is as precious as that of a man irrespective of the religion she belongs. Lets not safeguard patriarchal mindset in the garb of religious beliefs.  

Exactly Arunima, it is very well for men to say that it is very easy for the women to remarry, but in truth, majority of these women have to seek refuge with their parents who are already struggling under a load of children and the woman with her children becomes an additional burden. Some women may indeed find it easy to remarry, but for those who cannot, is a life full of poverty and hard struggle, she cannot feed her children adequately or provide education, thus leading to an increase in crime rates. And even if the women remarry to another persons, what about the impact of it all on the children? Each marriage thus broken has a significant social impact. The same is applicable to Hindu women too. So we should speaking about women from this community or that but find solutions to raise the status of the women both at social as well as economical levels.

It is good see that slowly the Muslim community esp the women are beginning to think beyond communal politics practiced so far which kept them backward and bound to useless religious beliefs. In UP an entire village has decided to support a young woman who is the target of triple T..it is noteworthy here that the Supreme court has shown it's displeasure at such a practice but our parties led by Congress still support it just for votes..

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/This-UP-village-is-fighting-triple-talaq/articleshow/55003390.cms?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=TOI

Vote Bank Politics of Congress is well known.  Thenks for the link.It is heartening to know how Asma Khatoon fought against Triple Talaq. Asma was divorced by her Husband Shawnawaz Hussain. Hussain uttered dreaded Triple Talaq over the Phone. Asma's crime was, she delivered Daughter.  Supreme Court already pronounced that Triple Talaq is Unconstitutional.

 Asma Khatoon and the entire Villge of Niaiamu stood bravely and opposed the Draconian Triple Talaq unitedly. We need more Asma Khatoons

In Islam marriage is a contract and procedure to end it are laid down. Unless a vast majority of Muslims oppose triple talaq any law banning it will meet the samecfate as the anti dowry law amongst Hindus where the practice continues unabated.

Triple Talaq is being opposed by many educated Muslim women all over the World. In the coming years the Movement against triple Talaq is going to be a Tsunami and sweep away the Muslim Clerics. Now the Movement has the Support of The Apex Court and People.

rambabu wrote:

Triple Talaq is being opposed by many educated Muslim women all over the World. In the coming years the Movement against triple Talaq is going to be a Tsunami and sweep away the Muslim Clerics. Now the Movement has the Support of The Apex Court and People.

This should have been done 6 decades back by Nehru but he just sat on his haunches. Credit to Modi to have lit the flame and slowly he will move towards UCC

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Triple Talaq is being opposed by many educated Muslim women all over the World. In the coming years the Movement against triple Talaq is going to be a Tsunami and sweep away the Muslim Clerics. Now the Movement has the Support of The Apex Court and People.

This should have been done 6 decades back by Nehru but he just sat on his haunches. Credit to Modi to have lit the flame and slowly he will move towards UCC

Past should be brushed aside.  Wisdom lies in concentrating on the Present  to build better India for the future. With an able leader like Modi, all the evils created by the past Government should be erased including Triple Talaq.

Triple talaq should be removed by consensus rather than imposition to be effective. 

Muslims are following their religion and i don't  think any muslim women wants to go against the religion if they are true muslims. If they want the civil code they can change their religion.

vijay wrote:

Triple talaq should be removed by consensus rather than imposition to be effective. 

Triple Talaq is a procedure of Divorce under the Sharia law, Triple Talaq is archaic . In Triple Talaq  one man obtain divorce  from his wife instantaneously by uttering Talaq three times. Why this regressive practice should be allowed to remain in this modern era ?

UCC gives Indian citizens more options and equality. If any Muslim wants to practice and is happy with triple talaq she is welcome to do so and for those women who are more enlightened, there is the option of seeking legal help. .. what is far more important than personal opinions is the interest of the nation 

Consensus brings in willing compliance. 

Triple Talaq continued in India for all these decades due to the policy of appeasement followed by the Congress, but now Modi has acted and it's a welcome development.  I wonder with what face Congress asks for a vote as it has a big hand in keeping obscurantism and backwardness in India. Just look at history from China to Kashmir to UCC the Congress led by Nehru initially created all the problems and now even Modi finds it difficult to clean the stink from the Augean stables.

Modi's efforts to clean the Congress created stink of  Augean Stables  is commendable. Congress will never leave any opportunity to destabilize Midi Government.

Modi is very firm about scrapping Triple Talaq system.

Minority appeasement or majority appeasement, which is more dangerous or better?