I was asupporter of Modi but now I have veered around to the view that its about time he was shown the door for good of Indian unity

usha manohar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

It is not about birth or privilege but about capability and commitment which I am sorry is totally lacking in Rahul. In fact I would say that he is totally incapable of leading a nation whatever may be his astrological predictions may be. As far as ruling India, I can well believe that because even Deve Gowda ruled for a few months simply by chance ...Bigger scams involving the family directly under UPA have been nicely dusted under the carpet with no evidence left so let us not fool ourselves...The party institutionalised corruption under their rule more so under Indira Gandhi and it is a well known fact. Simply because Modi has not done what one expected , does not lower his stature. However, it is a fact that the NDA could have performed better but with all that they have done very well .. If people criticise it is simply because they want to do so and not after analysing the pros and cons and then taking a stand.

A man's capability is decided only when he sits in the hot seat. Maharajah Ranjit Singh was only 16 when he started to unite the Sikh Misls. Alexander had no experience when he became the ruler at 14. These men were judged ONLY when they assumed power. That is the bottom line. Rajiv in power can only be judged at that time. I am afraid the Saffron brigade which does a lot of doublespeak won't be happy because he is the most acceptable face of the opposition. I am only wondering as to the time of the 12th house acting for Modi. In 2019 or 2024? He is bound to be defeated  Even in 2019 he won't be able to repeat 2014. He had his chance of changing history but got embroiled in narrow politics of religion, cow, Mandir. My grandfather tells me in 20-30 of last century nobody ever heard of Ram temple which was unearthed by  BJP only for electoral gains.

Rahul Gandhi has been on the hot seat for well over a decade and we have all seen what exactly he is capable of, tearing his own government s papers , showing scant respect for the PM nor the office he held. ..imagine what could happen if he became The PM !!!??

You seem to overlook facts in your enthusiasm in condemning BJP for every ill  this nation faces today ...if you have the time and the patience you shd go thro this link to know the entire Babri Masjid issue and the politics played over it by the previous politicians ..many people had not heard of it because there was no electronicedia those days to make us aware of every little issue and it does not mean that there was no issue just that someone was not aware of it ..

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-complete-history-of-Babri-Masjid-from-its-construction-to-demolition

Thanks for the link. As far as I am aware myself, Ram Mandir has always been an issue and a matter close to the hearts of most Hindus. When I was very young, I still remember a close relative, my father's maternal aunt always talking about it and how it would mean a dream come true for her and thousands others to see a Ram Mandir built over the site in Ayodhya. I do not know where MG Singh gets his facts from, but lately he seems to think each and every thing is the fault of the BJP! Quite Weird!

MG Singh wrote:

The Ram Mandir is NOT an emotive issue in most parts of India, Punjab, South India, Bengal, and Assam. Only in UP are the people worked up about Ram Temple. I studied for years at Stanes and Lovedale( Lawrence school ) Ooty and spent a lot of time ( years in Madras, Hyderabad, Coimbatore, Trivandrum etc. People in the south have no connection with Ram Mandir. BJP is just trying to whip up emotions on the issue. It's about time this party which promised a lot is sent home. India is too big for a man with a limited horizon. 

Isn't it like saying Golden Temple is irrelevant in most parts of the country but Punjab? It was not and everyone shared their feeling equally when Sikhs were killed mercilessly. By the way, politicians have always put their own interest ahead of public feelings and sentiments and paid dearly for that.

Actually the political parties should not be a party in religious matters like in most democracy. But we the Indians are different from others as we accommodate all and sundry in our society including Burmese Rohingya and Bangladeshi and place them ahead of our ownselves, (Sardar Manmohan Singh- Muslims have the first right on public assets of this country) I would loved his statement if he said - Local Muslims have the equal right on everything that this country has for its citizens. 

By the way, is there any doubt in anyone's mind that more than 4500 mosques were built demolishing the temples? So, what if one temple is rebuilt which is faith of hundreds of millions people if not billions?

Note- I am not a religious person but there should be some justice for majority population of this country too. 

I agree with MG Singh that Ram Mandir is not an emotive issue in South India atleast as I am not really connected to the idea of the issue which does not seem so significant that it warrants my emotive expression & support to one side of the coin. There is only a circulation in whatsapp about the support to Ram Mandir, nothing else than that really happens in terms of emotions. BJP is just trying to take advantage of the issue & Subramanium Swamy is adding fuel to the fire.

That is not at all a point of discussion or a national issue that will warrant votes to a Party, but as is the nature of Politics, they publicise, promote & act as the custodians of one or few ideas of interest of the religion in the name of garnering votes & support.

Same thing goes with Lingayat issue. I was not aware of the issue or heard about Lingayat community until Sidhrammaya started it.So does that mean Congress is doing it for a purpose? Each area has its own issues which need to be tackled at local level.

suni51 wrote:

Same thing goes with Lingayat issue. I was not aware of the issue or heard about Lingayat community until Sidhrammaya started it.So does that mean Congress is doing it for a purpose? Each area has its own issues which need to be tackled at local level.

Exactly!! If congress was so secular as they claim, then why did they rope in Hardik Patel and create a total ruckus on the issue of the Patels when it is as clear as crystal that the Patel community is one such community which does not need any kind of reservation or financial assistance?? Why did Rahul Gandhi sport a janeu over his spotless white kurta claiming to be a Brahmin and visit all kinds of temples in Gujarat if religion is not something they wish to associate with? Why riot over so-called oppression of Muslims in Assam and Myanmar in Azad Maidan, Mumbai and destroy a memorial to martyred soldiers?? Now this lingayat issue is clearly further divisive politics!

@epraneeth, probably Ram Mandir may not be close to hearts of people in South because they have their grand Tirupati Balaji temple, but we in other parts of India want to have a Ram Mandir on its rightful site, I may add, that I am not a very religious person as Sunil has said about himself. However, I am a devout Hindu, I believe in certain values and definitely feel that as a community who has a rightful claim on this land and country, we want to see the ancient temple restored. Same thing goes for Kashi Vishwanath temple too, so many have fought and died for it too, but it still suffers the same destiny as Ram Mandir.

Religion ,esp  Hinduism has become like a football in the hands of our politicians . They dare not speak of other religions but anything goes where Hinduism is concerned. So no wonder some of those who are firm believers in their faith have become touchy about the issue. If tney don't have the freedom to dfend their religion in Hindustan where else can they do so ? The situation has become ridiculous now. One of my Christian friend was telling me , some Hindus are so fanatic that they are found in temples all the time ...she herself goes to church almost every morning and s a very religious person.i pointed this out to her and she had no answer . This situation is ceatef by our grand old Communal party which has absolutely no ethics.

usha manohar wrote:

Religion ,esp  Hinduism has become like a football in the hands of our politicians . They dare not speak of other religions but anything goes where Hinduism is concerned. So no wonder some of those who are firm believers in their faith have become touchy about the issue. If tney don't have the freedom to dfend their religion in Hindustan where else can they do so ? The situation has become ridiculous now. One of my Christian friend was telling me , some Hindus are so fanatic that they are found in temples all the time ...she herself goes to church almost every morning and s a very religious person.i pointed this out to her and she had no answer . This situation is ceatef by our grand old Communal party which has absolutely no ethics.

Yes Usha, I have experienced this same kind of ridicule from my a couple of my Christian friends too, and their families are ones that hardly take a household decision without consulting their pastor, including which school they should send their kids too. It is this false secular mindset that has brainwashed the entire population and allows others to ridicule Hindus and their customs. Liberals take great enjoyment in calling each and every Hindu custom as being superstition while they have no hesitation in hailing Mother Teresa when she was granted Sainthood because she spent her entire life seemingly helping poor while she was coersing them to convert to Christianity in reality. Miracles are accepted and recommended when they want to beatify their nuns but they HAVE to call our sadhus and saints as being fake conmen. That is the result of being ruled by secular khangressis.

Let's wait and watch as it's just the beginning of the game before 2019 general elections. Many would join, part ways and rejoin according to the current wave of affairs especially in the name of religion, depressed, suppressed and OBC and not to forget another term created 'Maha Dalit'. Let's see if more categories and caste will surface before the mega contest. Funny but true for Indian kind of politics. 

I think we need to support Modi until any other leader come in to picture there is no replacement of Modi currently in India so Modi is best option for all.

In Karnataka Congress is leaving no stone unturned ..all the mosques and churches in our district have been ordered to vote only for Congress , by the area MLAs and  Christians as a community have always hated BJP without any valid reason...

Field marshal jfc maneckshaw said " those who talk by the yard, perform by the inch deserve a kick by the foot", I am afraid this goes to bjp andmodi. They have made shambles of law and order in UP. Just see how they are shielding the rapist MLA. I was in lucknow just a week back and I was shocked when ecrybody was talking against Modi. He is doomed. Bjp may emerge single largest party in 2019 but it is a first step to his ousting. The world and India is ruled by nobility and class.Modi is not fit to rule.

Like all political parties BJP too would face criticism and what happened in UP is horrifying...I remember there have been several such incidents, involving the congress party in Bangalore but no such noise was made. However , rape is a heinous crime and no one should be spared and I sincerely hope that Adityanath takes the matter seriously and not spare anyone who is responsible..

http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/unnao-rape-case-rape-accused-bjp-mla-brother-arrested-up-bjp-calls-girl-s-family-low-class-yogi-up-goonda-raj-top-10-developments-118041000277_1.html

 As far as nobility ruling India is concerned , what nobility have we had here except a questionable family that seems to have no beginning , in fact shrouded in mystery hardly belonging to nobility but grabbing opportunity to keep themselves in power through scams and corruption ! Thank god majority of the population has seen through this " Noble family"

usha manohar wrote:

Like all political parties BJP too would face criticism and what happened in UP is horrifying...I remember there have been several such incidents, involving the congress party in Bangalore but no such noise was made. However , rape is a heinous crime and no one should be spared and I sincerely hope that Adityanath takes the matter seriously and not spare anyone who is responsible..

http://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/unnao-rape-case-rape-accused-bjp-mla-brother-arrested-up-bjp-calls-girl-s-family-low-class-yogi-up-goonda-raj-top-10-developments-118041000277_1.html

 As far as nobility ruling India is concerned , what nobility have we had here except a questionable family that seems to have no beginning , in fact shrouded in mystery hardly belonging to nobility but grabbing opportunity to keep themselves in power through scams and corruption ! Thank god majority of the population has seen through this " Noble family"

Thanks, usha@ I rarely come on Boddunan busy as I am with other things including my next novel.  but just remember the entire Indian leadership was always from upper strata. Anybody Nehru, Gandhi, Patel, Bose, Lal Lajpat Rai, Tilak, and tens more including the men who led India in history like Raj Purushottam, Samrat Vikramaditya, Ranjit Singh, Baji Rao, Guru Gobind Singh, Chandragupta etc. I don't see anyone from the lower caste or the lower strata. It's all over the world. Even Trump is awfully rich.Modi has seen poverty only he does not know what it means to dream of riches which everybody wants and thus he cannot lead. Watch out my dear and see.

@ Usha, I am pained that after such a heinous crime of rape by BJP MLA all you can write is "I sincerely hope that Adityanath takes the matter seriously..." Is this your reply? Look at the Unao rape in Kashmir where again the BJP is shielding rapist. My god! they call themselves Ram bhakts and there are people supporting them. Amen!

No party is pure. We are unfortunate ones who have to choose a thief among the robbers.

I hope strict actions are taken against these monsters who rape.

But I feel that Modi still is the best choice for nation. He might not come back in power and fall prey to all media and political propaganda.

My biggest fear is a khichdi sarkar for the nation which will take away the security and stability of a strong governement. Moreover, our neighbors will rise against us more stronger. 

All parties clubbing together to fight Modi is just like all great goons, robbers and terrorists going hand and hand to oppose a person who just fails to eradicate the mess created by all of them in last six decades in a time frame of 4 years. 

by Arunima Singh » 6 hours ago

All parties clubbing together to fight Modi is just like all great goons, robbers and terrorists going hand and hand to oppose a person who just fails to eradicate the mess created by all of them in a time frame of 4 years 

That says it all...the extent to which they go to show their hatred is really appalling .All the more reason to support Modi and BJP !

usha manohar wrote:

by Arunima Singh » 6 hours ago

All parties clubbing together to fight Modi is just like all great goons, robbers and terrorists going hand and hand to oppose a person who just fails to eradicate the mess created by all of them in a time frame of 4 years 

That says it all...the extent to which they go to show their hatred is really appalling .All the more reason to support Modi and BJP !

Usha, the kind of things we are seeing now is very very worrisome. It is actually very distressing to see to what level these united collaboration of class one goons will fall to undermine Modi and his government. The recent nation wide strike called in by Prakash Ambedkar saw violence only in those states where BJP is in power and states like Kerala, WB where normally violence is everyday routine affair, it was all quiet. So it is as obvious and open as day;light that the violence was planned with cool head, and yet, poeple will keep blaming Modi for it by saying it is a result of saffron terrorism. also, the Kathua incident, people especially disgustingly sick seculars are going all out for justice for Asifa. Yet such rapes and killings are happening on a larger scale in Assam and other states - all by Rohingyas and other Muslims, but I see not a single coverage or cry for justice for those girls a=because they are all Hindus.

All thsi makes me shudder to think what will happen should Modi lose the next elections and these goons come into power.

@kalyani and Usha. A lot more political propaganda will happen in coming one year to malign Modi and to pull him down. It might brain wash the voters. I know that people who are sensible and who are not a party follower or leader follower will judge sensibly and then decide their vote. But election results do not depend on the sensible voters much. The decision always depends on mob who can be easily brainwashed and blinded by these peopagandas. Though I strongly support punishment for all rapists. A woman is a woman and not an object. All parties and religion have violated the diginity of a woman for their political and religious scores. It is shameful. But what Kalyani mentioned is true....pseudo seculars cash certain cases for their gain and many similar cases are not talked about much which it does not gain browny points politically.

For the propagation of negativity around BJP and Modi, I found a post on Facebook, which I felt was very true. Would like to share it 

"Are not we too forgiving for Congress and too unforgiving for BJP?"

Arunima Singh wrote:

@kalyani and Usha. A lot more political propaganda will happen in coming one year to malign Modi and to pull him down. It might brain wash the voters. I know that people who are sensible and who are not a party follower or leader follower will judge sensibly and then decide their vote. But election results do not depend on the sensible voters much. The decision always depends on mob who can be easily brainwashed and blinded by these peopagandas. Though I strongly support punishment for all rapists. A woman is a woman and not an object. All parties and religion have violated the diginity of a woman for their political and religious scores. It is shameful. But what Kalyani mentioned is true....pseudo seculars cash certain cases for their gain and many similar cases are not talked about much which it does not gain browny points politically.

For the propagation of negativity around BJP and Modi, I found a post on Facebook, which I felt was very true. Would like to share it 

"Are not we too forgiving for Congress and too unforgiving for BJP?"

You are right Arunima, the quote perfectly describes the mindset of Indian people today. While everyone waited patiently and allowed themselves to be looted and made fools of by the Congress for almost 6 decades, are the ones constantly demanding to see results by BJP just within 3 years. I see Modi working too hard day and night and has already brought so many positive changes but people will trust miserable losers like Mewani, Khalid, Rashid etc. Mamata B. who only helped accelerate degradation of once prosperous WB and the Bollywood people who will do anything for money but will not trust Modi who is obviously such a clean and honest person with more integrity than anyone else.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Arunima Singh wrote:

@kalyani and Usha. A lot more political propaganda will happen in coming one year to malign Modi and to pull him down. It might brain wash the voters. I know that people who are sensible and who are not a party follower or leader follower will judge sensibly and then decide their vote. But election results do not depend on the sensible voters much. The decision always depends on mob who can be easily brainwashed and blinded by these peopagandas. Though I strongly support punishment for all rapists. A woman is a woman and not an object. All parties and religion have violated the diginity of a woman for their political and religious scores. It is shameful. But what Kalyani mentioned is true....pseudo seculars cash certain cases for their gain and many similar cases are not talked about much which it does not gain browny points politically.

For the propagation of negativity around BJP and Modi, I found a post on Facebook, which I felt was very true. Would like to share it 

"Are not we too forgiving for Congress and too unforgiving for BJP?"

You are right Arunima, the quote perfectly describes the mindset of Indian people today. While everyone waited patiently and allowed themselves to be looted and made fools of by the Congress for almost 6 decades, are the ones constantly demanding to see results by BJP just within 3 years. I see Modi working too hard day and night and has already brought so many positive changes but people will trust miserable losers like Mewani, Khalid, Rashid etc. Mamata B. who only helped accelerate degradation of once prosperous WB and the Bollywood people who will do anything for money but will not trust Modi who is obviously such a clean and honest person with more integrity than anyone else.

I totally agree with you. As far the Bollywood actors, they can dance in the marriages and functions so what stops them for acting as "protesters"? Money can do number of strange things in this country. In fact, opposition has lost its total credibility of late.