Air Force especially it's Chiefs for accepting neglect by government and not making noise even after retirement. Chinese economy is today 6 to 7 times larger than Indian economy and at thst level producing defence items is logical.

vijay wrote:

Air Force especially it's Chiefs for accepting neglect by government and not making noise even after retirement. Chinese economy is today 6 to 7 times larger than Indian economy and at thst level producing defence items is logical.

You certainly have a point, but the government right from Nehru never realized the geo political importance of army and the need to set up a strong industrial- military base. 

MG Singh wrote:

vijay wrote:

Air Force especially it's Chiefs for accepting neglect by government and not making noise even after retirement. Chinese economy is today 6 to 7 times larger than Indian economy and at thst level producing defence items is logical.

You certainly have a point, but the government right from Nehru never realized the geo political importance of army and the need to set up a strong industrial- military base. 

 

The truth that the Army is vital to the security  of a nation was never realized by Indian rulers. Their thoughts always revolved around building Vote Banks for their own selfish needs. Indo China war and other such wars are the glaring examples of negligence by Indian Rulers about the importance of Army.

 

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

vijay wrote:

Air Force especially it's Chiefs for accepting neglect by government and not making noise even after retirement. Chinese economy is today 6 to 7 times larger than Indian economy and at thst level producing defence items is logical.

You certainly have a point, but the government right from Nehru never realized the geo political importance of army and the need to set up a strong industrial- military base. 

 

The truth that the Army is vital to the security  of a nation was never realized by Indian rulers. Their thoughts always revolved around building Vote Banks for their own selfish needs. Indo China war and other such wars are the glaring examples of negligence by Indian Rulers about the importance of Army.

Good point raised, but again even the BJP government has not done much and the Rafale fighter deal with France is still languishing. 

 

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

vijay wrote:

Air Force especially it's Chiefs for accepting neglect by government and not making noise even after retirement. Chinese economy is today 6 to 7 times larger than Indian economy and at thst level producing defence items is logical.

You certainly have a point, but the government right from Nehru never realized the geo political importance of army and the need to set up a strong industrial- military base. 

 

The truth that the Army is vital to the security  of a nation was never realized by Indian rulers. Their thoughts always revolved around building Vote Banks for their own selfish needs. Indo China war and other such wars are the glaring examples of negligence by Indian Rulers about the importance of Army.

Good point raised, but again even the BJP government has not done much and the Rafale fighter deal with France is still languishing. 

 

I agree. Rafale fighter deal with France is still languishing. But you should note the BJP is a new Government. It has to deal several other problems caused by the erstwhile government, Congress that ruined the country. The BJP certainly needs time to settle and stabilize itself. Undoubtedly the BJP realized the importance of Army to thwart the evil attempts of Pakistan. 

 

 

 

Excepting the Chinese debacle and Kargil, all other wars were won by Indians under Congress rule yet @rambabu makes the grand statement that BJP realized the importance of the army. In today's budget it is revealed that only 25% of allocation is used by Defence. Now Congress is not there, then who caused this poor spending. To set up an industrial military base huge amounts of capital is required which we lack even today in required amounts. Innovation does not need only brains but also huge amounts of capital with risk of failure  associated with it. Risk averse Indians are still far away from such goals.

Indias defence budget has always been smaller compared to other countries even Pakistan spends on its military upkeep...It was increased modestly  after BJP came into power and it has again been increased slightly this year. However, I was reading that over the years even that modest allocation was not utilised fully by the previous governments ( will try to provide a link when I find the article). No wonder our poor army personnel are so badly equipped . One should admire the courage and the patriotism of our people and armed forces who join and render their services inspite of these short comings.

It may be a good idea to send the whole lot of our politicians who beat their chest about patriotism on a compulsory military training for a year before they join politics..

usha manohar wrote:

Indias defence budget has always been smaller compared to other countries even Pakistan spends on its military upkeep...It was increased modestly  after BJP came into power and it has again been increased slightly this year. However, I was reading that over the years even that modest allocation was not utilised fully by the previous governments ( will try to provide a link when I find the article). No wonder our poor army personnel are so badly equipped . One should admire the courage and the patriotism of our people and armed forces who join and render their services inspite of these short comings.

It may be a good idea to send the whole lot of our politicians who beat their chest about patriotism on a compulsory military training for a year before they join politics..

The congress is to blame for  many things and Nehru was responsible for surrendering the leadership of Asia to China. During his time Dr Rajendra Prasad made a mockery by a ludicrous statement that the army be disbanded ( In 1955). Nehru was always scared of a military coup and downgraded the army. Even later Congress leaders never realised importance of military. Only Modi government appears to be serious.

Incidentally Kargill and 65 war at best were a draw only. Only the victory in 71 is worth talking about, but that was also as the Pak had just 0ne squadron and 3 division in East. Pakistan miscalculated on US support, which was not forthcoming as  Indira invoked the security pact with Russia.

MG Singh wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Indias defence budget has always been smaller compared to other countries even Pakistan spends on its military upkeep...It was increased modestly  after BJP came into power and it has again been increased slightly this year. However, I was reading that over the years even that modest allocation was not utilised fully by the previous governments ( will try to provide a link when I find the article). No wonder our poor army personnel are so badly equipped . One should admire the courage and the patriotism of our people and armed forces who join and render their services inspite of these short comings.

It may be a good idea to send the whole lot of our politicians who beat their chest about patriotism on a compulsory military training for a year before they join politics..

The congress is to blame for  many things and Nehru was responsible for surrendering the leadership of Asia to China. During his time Dr Rajendra Prasad made a mockery by a ludicrous statement that the army be disbanded ( In 1955). Nehru was always scared of a military coup and downgraded the army. Even later Congress leaders never realised importance of military. Only Modi government appears to be serious.

Incidentally Kargill and 65 war at best were a draw only. Only the victory in 71 is worth talking about, but that was also as the Pak had just 0ne squadron and 3 division in East. Pakistan miscalculated on US support, which was not forthcoming as  Indira invoked the security pact with Russia.

 

Stark naked truths. The fact that Nehru was scared  of a  military coup is well known. Congress committed blunder after blunder with a view to stick to power.. I agree with you . Modi is really serious in strengthening the Army. As many of our members pointed already, it takes time to repair the severe damage done by the Congress. Modi is the best thing that ever  happened to this country.

 

vijay wrote:

Air Force especially it's Chiefs for accepting neglect by government and not making noise even after retirement. Chinese economy is today 6 to 7 times larger than Indian economy and at thst level producing defence items is logical.

The Chiefs of the IAF right from Arjan Singh downwards are equally culpable, but one fact does stand out that Indians historically do not want to fight. China was way behind India which had a steel plant in 1949, while not even a bicycle was made in China.  There is thus no excuse for this neglect and somehow we fritter energy in things like caste etc. Now to cry that China economy is bigger has no meaning. We could have emulated China.