The rise of Islam in 21 century. it will be the biggest religion in world by 2050

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

The way to curtail population growth is to implement a law ruthlessly irrespective of the beliefs of the people. In order to implement a welfare measure the Government should be ruthless come what may. If this is ignored the population demon will crush the Nation ruthlessly.

Every responsible citizen of this country should bear it in mind this stark naked truth. 

 

Population was a very big issue. Sanjay Gandhi  Congress leader had given four point programme that talked of more trees but less children. People reacted very adversely to his population control measures. Since then all parties are scared and nobody dares to even talk on this issue. 

 

I know it sir. This measure of Sanjay made him unpopular. Though I do not like Sanjay, in this regard I liked him very much because he has identified the real problem that's hindering the Nation' development.

What I feel is we need many Sanjays.

 

The only wrong with Sanjay Gandhi was that he held no official position and yet interfered with everything. Otherwise his policies were okay. 

 

Agreed sir. But the new Govt. can take a cue from a good suggestion irrespective of the parties and their follies. There is nothing wrong in taking a good thing for the welfare of the country.

 Good suggestion, but control of population means one spouce, birth control. Muslims will not agree and there are messages from clwegy to muslim to produce more children. Its a complex problem, again religion has a bearing.

 

The Govt. has to decide on which side it is. A wavering Govt. cannot deliver the goods

 

 

 

 

I like the way China is controlling its population situation and no religious beliefs are taken into consideration. They have one child formula and I read today certain companies are expecting their female employees to sign a contract on pregnancy or they will be punished monetarily.

It is appalling to know that members are appreciating Sanjay and Chinese methods for population control. With spread of education and medical facilities and increasing job security increasing number of Indians are having only 2 children and that too at a later age than before. A large section of Muslims are where Hindus were at the time of 1947 when it was common to have more than 4 or 5 children. .It is a matter of time before they also will have two children. Chinese parents are not at all happy with one child policy and many malpractices are taking place. Population in a growing economy is not a problem.

vijay wrote:

It is appalling to know that members are appreciating Sanjay and Chinese methods for population control. With spread of education and medical facilities and increasing job security increasing number of Indians are having only 2 children and that too at a later age than before. A large section of Muslims are where Hindus were at the time of 1947 when it was common to have more than 4 or 5 children. .It is a matter of time before they also will have two children. Chinese parents are not at all happy with one child policy and many malpractices are taking place. Population in a growing economy is not a problem.

 

Chinese have relaxed one child norm as population has stablised. It is naive to compare Muslims with hindu ethos as two cultures are totally divergent. That is the reason muslims growing at faster rate.It wont chajge and this discussion in that respect is infructuous.

Sanjay is not appreciated but his proposal to  introduce Planned families to arrest the population explosion. If the stories prevalent during those days one can observe that he s being hated by the entire nation. His reference was taken only for his suggestion for implementation of Family planning for all including Muslims. Nothing more.

Sanjay was a visionary and that fact must be appreciated. He understood India's problem. How many know that despite increased food grain output, per capita consumption of food grain has gone down.  population must be controlled if required by force. Education etc will not help   in long run. It has to be a war footing.

I agree. Sanjay may be bad due to other reasons like extra constitutional status. But he has realized the importance of population control to make the country march towards development.

Sanjay Gandhi was a misguided missile to say the least... Some of the things he did were almost comparable to Hitler.No one has the right to control another person in a democratic set up and Sanjay tried to bring in dictatorship in India..

Exactly. He took Democratic set up for granted. And additionally he was carried away by the thought that only brute force will work for India..That was his undoing.

I do not know much about the capability or vision of Sanjay Gandhi as I was a only a new born baby at that time, but from what I have heard about him from elders and read a little, he was quite a maniac. Although he did realise and understand the problem of population, the measures he employed were tyrannical. What person or government in its right mind would force young unmarried men and ,even boys in a few cases, to undergo the family planning operation? It was this made him unpopular and rightly so. Many young men, some married did not even have children of their own yet and they were forced for the operation

Also, as far as China's measures go, they can only be said to be inhuman. I have read several accounts of newborn babies injected with iodine injections and killed immediately after birth becasue the government said so. Can so-called civilisation be based and sustained on such forms of cruelty and insanity? And the reason now they have relaxed one-child norm is because hundreds of families have been rendered childless during an earthquake and entire schools were wiped out. Studies have reveled that another 2-3 decades down the line, Chine would be a nation of old people with very few young. That is why they have relaxed the norms and not because population is under control. 

If at all India wants to address this problem, the problem of livelihood and basic needs must be addressed first. Because it is the nature's rule that the more adverse conditions are, the higher is the fertility rate. That is why we see number of children so high in the people living in slums and streets and less in people with proper livelihood and basic requirements fulfilled.

I think we have digressed from the topic which I  had  formulated. I had asked about the effect of teh rise of Islamic  religion, but  it is a discussion on population control Even in the USA which is a developed country Islam is the religion with the highest growth. More surprising that white christians are converting to Islam. What is the appeal ? Another point a large percentage of converts are women( more than men)

MG Singh wrote:

I think we have digressed from the topic which I  had  formulated. I had asked about the effect of teh rise of Islamic  religion, but  it is a discussion on population control Even in the USA which is a developed country Islam is the religion with the highest growth. More surprising that white christians are converting to Islam. What is the appeal ? Another point a large percentage of converts are women( more than men)

And many of those women regret later on doing so but by then it is usually late. I am quite surprised at the women who willingly turn themselves over in such a manner to men with obvious chauvinistic issues and ideas of women to be always submissive.

Kalyani, surprisingly in Islam apparently women call the shot although it seems to us as if they are a submissive lot...From what I have seen and heard from Arab women men let their wives do what they have to and they have the upper hand in everything as long as they are religious and keep to the faith..

usha manohar wrote:

Kalyani, surprisingly in Islam apparently women call the shot although it seems to us as if they are a submissive lot...From what I have seen and heard from Arab women men let their wives do what they have to and they have the upper hand in everything as long as they are religious and keep to the faith..

 

I will vouchsafe for what kalyani has written. I have been in UAE for 18 months ( alternating to Mumbai) and this is a fact. Also many white women are fed up with promiscuity in west and prefer Islam. One must not forget that Islam was the first religion to give rights in property to women.

MG Singh wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Kalyani, surprisingly in Islam apparently women call the shot although it seems to us as if they are a submissive lot...From what I have seen and heard from Arab women men let their wives do what they have to and they have the upper hand in everything as long as they are religious and keep to the faith..

 

I will vouchsafe for what kalyani has written. I have been in UAE for 18 months ( alternating to Mumbai) and this is a fact. Also many white women are fed up with promiscuity in west and prefer Islam. One must not forget that Islam was the first religion to give rights in property to women.

 Usha, that may be so in case of affluent countries such as Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc. but what about other countries where chaos and strife is a norm such as Syria, Jordan etc. Afghanistan hardly comes in the picture, it is in total shambles!

 

@MG Singh, that is news to me! I know one thing that the women get Mehr from the bridegroom which is theirs for keeping, but apart from that, a woman's life in Islam is quite miserable mostly. In a country like India, city such as Pune which is the educational hub of our country with quite a civilised population, I have seen the example of a young girl, firsthand, not heard from someone else, who got married at the age of 13, had her first baby at 14, left by husband immediately, taken back by him after counseling, she again had two more babies and was again left by her husband at 18. Now the poor girl is back home with her poor parents with three more children added to the burden. The parents are already coping with two more daughters with similar stories and have one more daughter and one son to take care  of. so imagine what women and girls must go through in other less civilised cities, towns, villages and countries!

@ Kalyani....It is a pity that terrorist groups are rewriting Islam and role of women in all those countries and anyone under their influence  but that is actually not the truth.Even here in India, women have the last word while decision making in household matters from what I have seen in some of the households known to me.

MG Singh wrote:

I think we have digressed from the topic which I  had  formulated. I had asked about the effect of teh rise of Islamic  religion, but  it is a discussion on population control Even in the USA which is a developed country Islam is the religion with the highest growth. More surprising that white christians are converting to Islam. What is the appeal ? Another point a large percentage of converts are women( more than men)

Very true as long the rapidly growing population of a particular religious group will not stop,there is no way the influance of IS could be kept under control. What we need is ruthless decisions and common civil laws without further delay.

suni51 wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

I think we have digressed from the topic which I  had  formulated. I had asked about the effect of teh rise of Islamic  religion, but  it is a discussion on population control Even in the USA which is a developed country Islam is the religion with the highest growth. More surprising that white christians are converting to Islam. What is the appeal ? Another point a large percentage of converts are women( more than men)

Very true as long the rapidly growing population of a particular religious group will not stop,there is no way the influance of IS could be kept under control. What we need is ruthless decisions and common civil laws without further delay.

 

If the govt. wants to curb the spread of ISIS, without an iota of doubt it should be ruthless come what may. Throw those Majority communities, minority communities and the religious faiths.

With the rise of Islamic religion, increasing number of Muslims will try to migrate to Western countries to escape from having to live in closed societies. In Asia there will be a threat to non muslim countries as they would like to bring more countries under their control. Same would be the case in many African countries. This will once again bring tensions in Asia and Africa. China also will feel the heat. In India there will be demands for uniform civil laws, removal of word secularism from the constitution and worries about the increase in Muslim population.

I think a uniform civil laws and removal of secularism will enable to solve the problem.Many are of the opinion to introduce uniform civil laws is impossible.I say  Laws are made by men. They did not fall from the blue.