Shabarimala temple row over entry to women after they attain puberty..

God does not differentiate between men and women. It is we humans who made these laws. People say that this is hundred years old tradition that women should not enter. But Sati practice and child marriage were also age old practices then why they were banned ?

That Rehana Fathima is a crass and disgusting woman who will stop at nothing to create controversies. She was the pioneer of the Kiss of Love movement in Kochi a few years back. What I don't understand is the court's stand on this issue. This particular petition asking for permission for women of all ages to enter Shabarimala temple was filed by a Muslim person to which the court gave a favorable decision. And after court's decision on this, One Hindu person filed similar petition asking for permission to women to enter all mosques in India which the court promptly threw out citing that he didn't belong to that religion and so has no business talking about issues un Muslim religion. Why this gross injustice? This is nothing but a serious conspiracy to turn lands and temple belonging to Hindu community in the hands of Christians, funded by Vatican so they can continue their mass conversions peacefully. Fortunately, from what I understand from my Mallu friends, most Hindu women refuse to enter Shabarimala as they clearly understand that the issue of non entry is not at all based on menstruation but due to the respect to the deity who is supposed to observed celibacy. So the women respect it and will keep doing so. It is the Muslims, and Christians along with certain Hindu communists who are trying to vilify and blasphemise the Hindu sentiments.

arjun sai wrote:

God does not differentiate between men and women. It is we humans who made these laws. People say that this is hundred years old tradition that women should not enter. But Sati practice and child marriage were also age old practices then why they were banned ?

Before making this statement, first read and gather information and try to understand why women do not visit Shabarimala. There are hundreds of temples where women are allowed to worship and pray, but there are only few temples where women are not allowed and at the same time, there are also a few temples where m,en are not allowed to enter. So why focus only on the one temple where women willingly do not go to respect the celibate status of the deity and create a turmoil in the entire state. Also do not forget that the permission was requested by a Muslim man who has no business interfering with Hindu practices. Instead why did not ask the court to allow women of his own community to enter to mosque or talk about halala or triple talaq. Think about these before saying that this practice is outdated and should be removed.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

arjun sai wrote:

God does not differentiate between men and women. It is we humans who made these laws. People say that this is hundred years old tradition that women should not enter. But Sati practice and child marriage were also age old practices then why they were banned ?

Before making this statement, first read and gather information and try to understand why women do not visit Shabarimala. There are hundreds of temples where women are allowed to worship and pray, but there are only few temples where women are not allowed and at the same time, there are also a few temples where m,en are not allowed to enter. So why focus only on the one temple where women willingly do not go to respect the celibate status of the deity and create a turmoil in the entire state. Also do not forget that the permission was requested by a Muslim man who has no business interfering with Hindu practices. Instead why did not ask the court to allow women of his own community to enter to mosque or talk about halala or triple talaq. Think about these before saying that this practice is outdated and should be removed.

I understand your point of view. Even though I don't know anything about the temple what I meant is that all men / women should be treated equally in all temples, church and mosques irrespective of gender . I am not atheist but some practices lack any scientific proof so I question those.

arjun sai wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

arjun sai wrote:

God does not differentiate between men and women. It is we humans who made these laws. People say that this is hundred years old tradition that women should not enter. But Sati practice and child marriage were also age old practices then why they were banned ?

Before making this statement, first read and gather information and try to understand why women do not visit Shabarimala. There are hundreds of temples where women are allowed to worship and pray, but there are only few temples where women are not allowed and at the same time, there are also a few temples where m,en are not allowed to enter. So why focus only on the one temple where women willingly do not go to respect the celibate status of the deity and create a turmoil in the entire state. Also do not forget that the permission was requested by a Muslim man who has no business interfering with Hindu practices. Instead why did not ask the court to allow women of his own community to enter to mosque or talk about halala or triple talaq. Think about these before saying that this practice is outdated and should be removed.

I understand your point of view. Even though I don't know anything about the temple what I meant is that all men / women should be treated equally in all temples, church and mosques irrespective of gender . I am not atheist but some practices lack any scientific proof so I question those.

Not all practices need to be proved scientifically every time. If you read my earlier post carefully, you will understand that this is something that has been started by a man NOT belonging to Hindu religion. When his own religion is seriously outdated and there are numerous malpractices and complete humiliation of women, why does he not address those issues. Why is he only interested in creating controversy with respect to a temple whose deity is celibate and Hindus have complete faith in following its tradition? Also understand that not everything should be viewed only from feministic or modernistic outlook. There are things that are above and beyond thse factors.

If devotees from other religions wanted to enter the temple to seek the blessings genuinely, it is understandable. But what the activist Rehana Fatima wanted to do should be condemned by one and all. Carrying sanitary napkin and garbage to throw on the idol is not only insulting but very very disgusting behaviour. Even if she doesn't has faith in the deity of that temple , she has no right to show her disrespect in that manner. 

In the name of gender equality , some feminist really cross the limit. 

I am not a great believer in religion but have great respect for traditions and customs that form the very fabric of our Hindu culture. Belief is something that one can not deny nor trivialize. Every institution has it's own set of rules , similarly religious institutions. My logic is simple - You either follow the rules if you want to be a part of it or refrain from being a part of it , rather than  demean and disrespect the institution simply because you do not agree with their rules. Simply opposing for the sake of doing so shows a sick mind incapable of understanding, sensitivity and lack of self discipline.

arjun sai wrote:

God does not differentiate between men and women. It is we humans who made these laws. People say that this is hundred years old tradition that women should not enter. But Sati practice and child marriage were also age old practices then why they were banned ?

I agree with that , but the issue is different here..banning sati and child marriage we're needed since they were social evils. Religion and religious beliefs are different because it is a matter of faith and belief and need to be tackled with understanding and sensitivity.

Carrying santiary pad is not more than a getting publicity. First of all we all must think what is Hindu religion. From which it is made. Hindu religion is not a book of rules,person who are following these are Hindu. In India Hindu people living at different location have different rituals customs and traditions. I am not following rituals which is following by Hindu of South or East. But all it we all are Hindu. Our rituals and customs are our indentity.

Carrying a sanitary napkin to Temple is an act of disgrace and is a cheap act to gain publicity and media attention. 

Though I am not much of a religious person, I can just let individuals choose whether they want to go to Temple or not. They can choose to go or to wait till menopause depending on their personal faith and belief.

But this act by this lady shows no progressive mindset but is a senseless act and a disgrace to the temple and to the idol. I don't find any logic in it.

Carrying objectionable material in any religious place is not less than a crime because sentiments of lakhs of devotees are hurt.

usha manohar wrote:

I am not a great believer in religion but have great respect for traditions and customs that form the very fabric of our Hindu culture. Belief is something that one can not deny nor trivialize. Every institution has it's own set of rules , similarly religious institutions. My logic is simple - You either follow the rules if you want to be a part of it or refrain from being a part of it , rather than  demean and disrespect the institution simply because you do not agree with their rules. Simply opposing for the sake of doing so shows a sick mind incapable of understanding, sensitivity and lack of self discipline.

This is exactly what I feel. And what is disgusting is that in this particular case of Shabarimala temple, a completely wrong picture is being presented before the people who do not know much about it. While the entry of women is based on the celibate status of the deity, it is being projected and highlighted that the reason for non entry is due to menstruation factor which, understandably, caused much uproar from many sections of community who are all for feminism which is actually not the case. Imagine if non-muslims try to enter the kaba at Mecca, what will happen then? So why can;t they respect other communities' traditions and beliefs.

Arunima Singh wrote:

Carrying a sanitary napkin to Temple is an act of disgrace and is a cheap act to gain publicity and media attention. 

Though I am not much of a religious person, I can just let individuals choose whether they want to go to Temple or not. They can choose to go or to wait till menopause depending on their personal faith and belief.

But this act by this lady shows no progressive mindset but is a senseless act and a disgrace to the temple and to the idol. I don't find any logic in it.

These type of peoples are route cause of many problems. Base of all religion is faith and belief. Reaction of Sikh community after operation blue star is 1984 is enough to say about sensitivity of peoples for their religious places.

https://youtu.be/Jh-DhB02V-0

I saw the above video of Sadguru from Isha foundation. He has explained why women should not be allowed in Sabrimala because the deity is brahmachari. Even I agree to this fact that if it is due to nature of temple , then women should not enter. He also said that there are temples in Karnataka where men are not allowed so it is not about gender discrimination.

The problem with our so called intellectual rebels is that they are double faced and are far from being balanced in their views. I attended a seminar hosted by some of our local Intellectual rebels , on the subject of superstition and religious intolerance and it was in a way hilarious to see that the only religion they focused on was Hinduism and totally refusing to comment on other religious practices . But the student crowd saw through their bias and nearly booted them out. The same thing  is happening elsewhere in the country in JNU and other major universities all over the country .

usha manohar wrote:

The problem with our so called intellectual rebels is that they are double faced and are far from being balanced in their views. I attended a seminar hosted by some of our local Intellectual rebels , on the subject of superstition and religious intolerance and it was in a way hilarious to see that the only religion they focused on was Hinduism and totally refusing to comment on other religious practices . But the student crowd saw through their bias and nearly booted them out. The same thing  is happening elsewhere in the country in JNU and other major universities all over the country .

Some people in these days shouting that intolerance is increase in country in last four years. But I am saying from very begining that for it some peoples who are always feeling proud  in crushing Hindu and Hindusm. Average Hindu is very soft nature. So called intellectual are responsible for this situation.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

The problem with our so called intellectual rebels is that they are double faced and are far from being balanced in their views. I attended a seminar hosted by some of our local Intellectual rebels , on the subject of superstition and religious intolerance and it was in a way hilarious to see that the only religion they focused on was Hinduism and totally refusing to comment on other religious practices . But the student crowd saw through their bias and nearly booted them out. The same thing  is happening elsewhere in the country in JNU and other major universities all over the country .

Some people in these days shouting that intolerance is increase in country in last four years. But I am saying from very begining that for it some peoples who are always feeling proud  in crushing Hindu and Hindusm. Average Hindu is very soft nature. So called intellectual are responsible for this situation.

Rather than being g soft natured I would say  majority of the Hindus are weak natured and prefer being led. It is only education , that too western education that changed this mindset to some extent . Gandhi, Nehru ,Bose and their generation fought the British after being exposed to a different school of thought ..what we need to do is to do away practices that are negative . Hinduism with all it's ills has survived so far and will continue to do so

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

The problem with our so called intellectual rebels is that they are double faced and are far from being balanced in their views. I attended a seminar hosted by some of our local Intellectual rebels , on the subject of superstition and religious intolerance and it was in a way hilarious to see that the only religion they focused on was Hinduism and totally refusing to comment on other religious practices . But the student crowd saw through their bias and nearly booted them out. The same thing  is happening elsewhere in the country in JNU and other major universities all over the country .

Some people in these days shouting that intolerance is increase in country in last four years. But I am saying from very begining that for it some peoples who are always feeling proud  in crushing Hindu and Hindusm. Average Hindu is very soft nature. So called intellectual are responsible for this situation.

Rather than being g soft natured I would say  majority of the Hindus are weak natured and prefer being led. It is only education , that too western education that changed this mindset to some extent . Gandhi, Nehru ,Bose and their generation fought the British after being exposed to a different school of thought ..what we need to do is to do away practices that are negative . Hinduism with all it's ills has survived so far and will continue to do so

It is not fair to say weak natures. Live and let live is attitude of Hindus and every Hindu civilization. If Hindus are not soft, how can other religions grow here.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

The problem with our so called intellectual rebels is that they are double faced and are far from being balanced in their views. I attended a seminar hosted by some of our local Intellectual rebels , on the subject of superstition and religious intolerance and it was in a way hilarious to see that the only religion they focused on was Hinduism and totally refusing to comment on other religious practices . But the student crowd saw through their bias and nearly booted them out. The same thing  is happening elsewhere in the country in JNU and other major universities all over the country .

Some people in these days shouting that intolerance is increase in country in last four years. But I am saying from very begining that for it some peoples who are always feeling proud  in crushing Hindu and Hindusm. Average Hindu is very soft nature. So called intellectual are responsible for this situation.

Rather than being g soft natured I would say  majority of the Hindus are weak natured and prefer being led. It is only education , that too western education that changed this mindset to some extent . Gandhi, Nehru ,Bose and their generation fought the British after being exposed to a different school of thought ..what we need to do is to do away practices that are negative . Hinduism with all it's ills has survived so far and will continue to do so

It is not fair to say weak natures. Live and let live is attitude of Hindus and every Hindu civilization. If Hindus are not soft, how can other religions grow here.

It is always better to recognise our faults and correct it rather than justify it...history has shown and given enough evidence to show that ..