Can't we find new talents? Why do we compare with existing ones?

It can be in any field. Yet, let me take a simple example of playback singing or classical singer.
Even if a singer carries an individuality entirely different from any singer he/she will be compared to Rafi/Kishore/Mukesh/Lata/Asha. It's not the case of music only, painting, drawing or any art form. Even scientists too! Always OLD IS CONSIDERED GOLD. :whistle:
Is it true that new talents can't exceed previous ones? Or are we just measuring them based on old? Can't we mistaken?
What's your opinion?
N.B. It's not a discussion based on music only.....am seeing all art forms as a whole :)

Sandhya jee, i think its in human being's nature to remember all the old things. thats why for any competition we have to learn a massive list of discoveries; who invented what. even the early man has not been forgotten. there are large number of topics which deal with early man's discovery of fire and wheel. and i think if someone reinvents some special kind of wheel or some special fire he would not be given much importance. the person who reached there first is remembered for ever. we all know who went first in space, who went 1st on mount Everest but we do not know who went last month in space or who went last month on Everest. The first footsteps are important and continue to be. you can take another example of bill gates....there are hundreds of professionals who create their own operating system like windows daily but do you know them? hence it is "first invent first become famous basis". i hope my answer satisfies your question :) :) :)

It can be in any field. Yet, let me take a simple example of playback singing or classical singer.
Even if a singer carries an individuality entirely different from any singer he/she will be compared to Rafi/Kishore/Mukesh/Lata/Asha. It's not the case of music only, painting, drawing or any art form. Even scientists too! Always OLD IS CONSIDERED GOLD. :whistle:
Is it true that new talents can't exceed previous ones? Or are we just measuring them based on old? Can't we mistaken?
What's your opinion?
N.B. It's not a discussion based on music only.....am seeing all art forms as a whole :)

It's a folly to think new talents cannot surpass the old talents. . I never thought Dilip is all time great . I seen greatness in Amir khan too. But there are certain talents and creations like Michael Angelo's 'Pieta'. They stood the test of time and they will stand for ever that can't be excelled.

Rafi and Kishor are not centuries old and hence it is relevant to compare singers with them. New singers are yet to acquire name and fame and in due course, these will be old enough to replace Lata, Rafi etc.

The comparison is always with the best, the best has already proved his/her worth while the new ones have yet to establish themselves. You cannot say that Sonu Nigam is lesser talented than any of the legends we have. In fact I put him as equal to any of the best we have.

The comparison is always with the best, the best has already proved his/her worth while the new ones have yet to establish themselves. You cannot say that Sonu Nigam is lesser talented than any of the legends we have. In fact I put him as equal to any of the best we have.

what about Kumar Sanu?
He is also my favourite :)

I think among music directors, A.R.Rehman is able to make his distinct finger prints in the industry

The comparison is always with the best, the best has already proved his/her worth while the new ones have yet to establish themselves. You cannot say that Sonu Nigam is lesser talented than any of the legends we have. In fact I put him as equal to any of the best we have.

what about Kumar Sanu?
He is also my favourite :)

I think among music directors, A.R.Rehman is able to make his distinct finger prints in the industry

Most people would say so but for me OPNayyar is all time great. What an entertainer, no one can beat his beats.

The comparison is always with the best, the best has already proved his/her worth while the new ones have yet to establish themselves. You cannot say that Sonu Nigam is lesser talented than any of the legends we have. In fact I put him as equal to any of the best we have.

what about Kumar Sanu?
He is also my favourite :)

I think among music directors, A.R.Rehman is able to make his distinct finger prints in the industry

Most people would say so but for me OPNayyar is all time great. What an entertainer, no one can beat his beats.

I fully agree with you. can there be a better melody than, " yeh Hai reshmi Zulphon ka Andhera Na Ghabraayiye" of the inimitable OP?

The comparison is always with the best, the best has already proved his/her worth while the new ones have yet to establish themselves. You cannot say that Sonu Nigam is lesser talented than any of the legends we have. In fact I put him as equal to any of the best we have.

what about Kumar Sanu?
He is also my favourite :)

I think among music directors, A.R.Rehman is able to make his distinct finger prints in the industry

Most people would say so but for me OPNayyar is all time great. What an entertainer, no one can beat his beats.

I fully agree with you. can there be a better melody than, " yeh Hai reshmi Zulphon ka Andhera Na Ghabraayiye" of the inimitable OP?

I have a whole list of his songs with Asha and Rafi. I am almost crazy about songs, which take me in to Asha parekh, Saira Banu, Shammi Kappor etc era.

Sandhyaji you are right. If we compare singers with the legends then we should definately compare the legends with historical singers like Tansen and Baiju Babra.

Human mind is set. He will prefer the one which is his first choice. It becomes difficult for him to change it for the new one. On the other hand, his next generation would prefer the new singers. He won't like the old songs and the singers.

The comparison is always with the best, the best has already proved his/her worth while the new ones have yet to establish themselves. You cannot say that Sonu Nigam is lesser talented than any of the legends we have. In fact I put him as equal to any of the best we have.

what about Kumar Sanu?
He is also my favourite :)

I think among music directors, A.R.Rehman is able to make his distinct finger prints in the industry

Most people would say so but for me OPNayyar is all time great. What an entertainer, no one can beat his beats.

I fully agree with you. can there be a better melody than, " yeh Hai reshmi Zulphon ka Andhera Na Ghabraayiye" of the inimitable OP?

I have a whole list of his songs with Asha and Rafi. I am almost crazy about songs, which take me in to Asha parekh, Saira Banu, Shammi Kappor etc era.

Its always a personal choice and we cannot compare anything. We remember those who were hot in our time. With time everything fades.. 50 years from now, Amri , Salman, Amitabh, Sonu will be old and legends. The old one's will be forgotten then.. That's nature. The need of such comparison is only just to have a point for discussion. Nothing more than that...

Now many talent have come already. Sreya Ghosal, Sonu Nigam, Shan, Sunidhi etc are singing well. I don't want to compare with old but they are also good and presenting some good songs.

It seems everyone is behind Bollywood..
Friends, I have quoted Bollywood just as an example....

It seems everyone is behind Bollywood..
Friends, I have quoted Bollywood just as an example....

Not only that. People forgotten about other fields like Painting (Ravi varma). Vocal and instrumental music. writing and the list goes on. Let the discussion be spread to other fields too

It seems everyone is behind Bollywood..
Friends, I have quoted Bollywood just as an example....

Not only that. People forgotten about other fields like Painting (Ravi varma). Vocal and instrumental music. writing and the list goes on. Let the discussion be spread to other fields too

Of course, am sure you are a Ravi Varma fan :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
He portrayed Kerala beauties to perfection, no doubt :)

It seems everyone is behind Bollywood..
Friends, I have quoted Bollywood just as an example....

Not only that. People forgotten about other fields like Painting (Ravi varma). Vocal and instrumental music. writing and the list goes on. Let the discussion be spread to other fields too

Of course, am sure you are a Ravi Varma fan :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
He portrayed Kerala beauties to perfection, no doubt :)

Why, there are so many others who did wonderful jobs like Amrita Shergil, Satish Gupta, Hussain in the field of drawing and painting. And these were as talented in other artistic forms of culture as well.

It seems everyone is behind Bollywood..
Friends, I have quoted Bollywood just as an example....

Not only that. People forgotten about other fields like Painting (Ravi varma). Vocal and instrumental music. writing and the list goes on. Let the discussion be spread to other fields too

Of course, am sure you are a Ravi Varma fan :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
He portrayed Kerala beauties to perfection, no doubt :)

Why, there are so many others who did wonderful jobs like Amrita Shergil, Satish Gupta, Hussain in the field of drawing and painting. And these were as talented in other artistic forms of culture as well.

@ Sunil
I think you were referring Satish Gujral, the famous Archetect and sculptor, who is deaf and dumb and the younger brother of Inder Kumar Gujral erstwhile PM. Or is it another artist Satish Gupta?

Let me tell you I don't know Amrita Shergil and Satish Gupta. Please don't feel bad.

Let me tell you I don't know Amrita Shergil and Satish Gupta. Please don't feel bad.

Why one should feel bad? But you should know that their contribution to arts is immense. Otherwise how you can know if there is any real stuff in the later generation artists.

It seems everyone is behind Bollywood..
Friends, I have quoted Bollywood just as an example....

Not only that. People forgotten about other fields like Painting (Ravi varma). Vocal and instrumental music. writing and the list goes on. Let the discussion be spread to other fields too

Of course, am sure you are a Ravi Varma fan :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
He portrayed Kerala beauties to perfection, no doubt :)

Why, there are so many others who did wonderful jobs like Amrita Shergil, Satish Gupta, Hussain in the field of drawing and painting. And these were as talented in other artistic forms of culture as well.

@ Sunil
I think you were referring Satish Gujral, the famous Archetect and sculptor, who is deaf and dumb and the younger brother of Inder Kumar Gujral erstwhile PM. Or is it another artist Satish Gupta?

I was talking about Satish Gupta- a painter worth mention, he is famous for his work, mostly commercial. google Satish gupta.