Is pakistan paying back India in the same coin for its breakup of Pakistan in Kashmir

Kashmir gets the highest per capita financial aid from Center, it has a separate flag, constitution, highest degree of autonomy than any other state, and what has India got in return : Huriyat separatists, ethnic cleansing, regular martyring of our defence personnel, shameless exhibition of unpatriotic feelings on TV debates, stone throwers, terrorists, continuous black mail, doubtful integrity of ruling coalition partner,  etc. how long one can be patient at mending relations with limited to valley 30-40% population of J&K. Time for action is now. Isolate them once for all.

I know everything about Kashmir. OK if you don't want to be patient, be impatient. See if the Situation improves.. On one side, Modi Government doing all that is at its disposal. in this critical condition,  you are supposed to understand the gravity of the situation and cooperate with Modi Administration.

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

suni51 wrote:

The solution lies in the action- an all out action once for all. No mercy whatsoever. If anyone thinks it is against human rights the traitors and terrorists have no human rights whatsoever.

Yes you are right but it is very easy to say final action but in practical it is not easy. If authorities of International Human right organisation understand that terrorists have not human rights than problem of terrorist can be solved in few days.

Indian leaders have all been weak kneed, if not we would never have had this kind of problem escalating to this limit. If they had the forethought and the courage, Pakistan and it's evil intentions could have been nipped in the bud back in the sixties. Now the only option left is attack when there is any kind of border offensive from them . Dialogue and talk have no meaning where a rogue nation like Pakistan is concerned.

It is fact that any talk with Pakistan is wastage of time. Pakistan is crafty country who never attack on India. The best solution is dispersed Kashmir peoples in whole country, in this way government can balanced between Muslims and Hindus population.

Integration of Kashmir with the rest of India should have been done several decades ago, however, it can still be tried 

Government of India also amend section 370 that gave right to start business is Kashmir to peoples of other states. Money is much powerful.

As I have been writing a decisive action is called for > integrate Kashmir fully or grant them independence. No, half way measures

vijay wrote:

Kashmir gets the highest per capita financial aid from Center, it has a separate flag, constitution, highest degree of autonomy than any other state, and what has India got in return : Huriyat separatists, ethnic cleansing, regular martyring of our defence personnel, shameless exhibition of unpatriotic feelings on TV debates, stone throwers, terrorists, continuous black mail, doubtful integrity of ruling coalition partner,  etc. how long one can be patient at mending relations with limited to valley 30-40% population of J&K. Time for action is now. Isolate them once for all.

there is an urgent need for surgery, but strangely the Indian governments from the time of Nehru to Modi are not equal to the task. One must remember that an army cannot fight a insurgency 'for ever'. what is the solution? Either crush teh insurgency with an iron hand and if need be by promulgating Martial law under the " Doctrine of necessity" or hand over the valley for independence. Frankly Modi is just not equal to the task and his experiment with the PDP a total failure

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

rambabu wrote:

Yes. We have to. Because, it takes more time for a Good thing to happen, especially Kashmir problem which was left to its fate  for decades. For such a problem  of gigantic magnitude, certainly it  takes time for a Government that took the reins of ruling the country, just Three years ago.You know by hurrying, nothing can be achieved.

It is surprising that a member who is critsizing Modi government why not speaking a word for Nehru Ji,who is responsible for Kashmir problem.

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Yes. We have to. Because, it takes more time for a Good thing to happen, especially Kashmir problem which was left to its fate  for decades. For such a problem  of gigantic magnitude, certainly it  takes time for a Government that took the reins of ruling the country, just Three years ago.You know by hurrying, nothing can be achieved.

It is surprising that a member who is critsizing Modi government why not speaking a word for Nehru Ji,who is responsible for Kashmir problem.

Nothing is achieved by criticizing Nehru,he is dead and gone. He was at fault but his successors also did nothing and now we have reached a state where the insurgency is taking the lives of a few soldiers every day. how long will teh army fight a war which because of the attitude of the central government cannot be won?

rambabu wrote:

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

I agree with you, but the power structure in India is so perfected that the PM can only decide. The Defence Ministry is also headed bya non-professional soldier and one cant expect much input from him

How is asking for concrete action to be taken criticising Modi. @ anil wants to keep playing the blame game instead of facing the enemy. Typical cowardly approach.

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

I agree with you, but the power structure in India is so perfected that the PM can only decide. The Defence Ministry is also headed bya non-professional soldier and one cant expect much input from him

I don't agree. When Kashmir, a Problem of astronomical magnitude is standing before the nation, and destabilizing the country,it is very much the duty of the President, PM. simply sleeping over the problem looking towards rules. regulations and Constitution, is the trait of a feeble hearted Nation.

Kashmir problem should be solved on a war footing. Nothing short of it.

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

I agree with you, but the power structure in India is so perfected that the PM can only decide. The Defence Ministry is also headed bya non-professional soldier and one cant expect much input from him

I don't agree. When Kashmir, a Problem of astronomical magnitude is standing before the nation, and destabilizing the country,it is very much the duty of the President, PM. simply sleeping over the problem looking towards rules. regulations and Constitution, is the trait of a feeble hearted Nation.

Kashmir problem should be solved on a war footing. Nothing short of it.

There is no provision for martial law in constitution. This is only through coup by army junta. I don't understand why some are again and again harping on this and thereby making us all an object of ridicule. 

One can already see that things are becoming serious in Kashmir like it was in The nineties..I feel that the O ly solution could be , to start with imposing Presidents rule and then scrap all useless sections and open up the valley. I am sure done of our politicians would blind to retaliate just yo show how secular they are, they shd be asked to mind their business or join the movement.. honestly it is the politicians who have made this possible and no one else 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

I agree with you, but the power structure in India is so perfected that the PM can only decide. The Defence Ministry is also headed bya non-professional soldier and one cant expect much input from him

I don't agree. When Kashmir, a Problem of astronomical magnitude is standing before the nation, and destabilizing the country,it is very much the duty of the President, PM. simply sleeping over the problem looking towards rules. regulations and Constitution, is the trait of a feeble hearted Nation.

Kashmir problem should be solved on a war footing. Nothing short of it.

There is no provision for martial law in constitution. This is only through coup by army junta. I don't understand why some are again and again harping on this and thereby making us all an object of ridicule. 

 

If some are harping on this issue, because, the Kashmir Issue is growing in size day by day. Unless this is checked before it becomes too big to handle, the very integrity and Unity of this country will be at stake. After clamping Curfew in Srinagar for continuously for more than 30 days and 3 days ago, when the Curfew was lifted for a few hours, Looting and Arson again started. How long this will go ? In order to check this , the Government should do something consolidated on an urgent Basis. Other wise, there is a danger of spreading the Communal riots and unrest to the entire country.

Kashmir is under control of separatists who are extending the closure everytime and this time it is till 18th. What solution is being talked out is not clear. Kashmir has gone out of control. Challenge is to bring it back. BJP-PDP Government has become ineffective. 

That Kashmir is under control of Separatists or BJP - PDP Government has become ineffective are the Statistics given in any News Paper.  but a suggestion according to you   to end Kashmir Problem is required like other members who took part in the discussion.

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

I agree with you, but the power structure in India is so perfected that the PM can only decide. The Defence Ministry is also headed bya non-professional soldier and one cant expect much input from him

I don't agree. When Kashmir, a Problem of astronomical magnitude is standing before the nation, and destabilizing the country,it is very much the duty of the President, PM. simply sleeping over the problem looking towards rules. regulations and Constitution, is the trait of a feeble hearted Nation.

Kashmir problem should be solved on a war footing. Nothing short of it.

There is no provision for martial law in constitution. This is only through coup by army junta. I don't understand why some are again and again harping on this and thereby making us all an object of ridicule. 

If some are harping on this issue, because, the Kashmir Issue is growing in size day by day. Unless this is checked before it becomes too big to handle, the very integrity and Unity of this country will be at stake. After clamping Curfew in Srinagar for continuously for more than 30 days and 3 days ago, when the Curfew was lifted for a few hours, Looting and Arson again started. How long this will go ? In order to check this , the Government should do something consolidated on an urgent Basis. Other wise, there is a danger of spreading the Communal riots and unrest to the entire country.

Kashmir issue is okay to discuss. But why bring the 'martial law' again and again in discussion in spite of the fact that this is unconstitutional and hence not worthy of consideration by any department of govt. of India. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

If the promulgation of martial Law under the Doctrine of necessity is the only solution to settle the Kashmir issue once and for all, why the President is not being advised by Defense experts and Advisors ? For the safety and unity of a Country ,don't you think some Laws and Constitution  are to be waived off ?What is the role of Defense Ministry ?

I agree with you, but the power structure in India is so perfected that the PM can only decide. The Defence Ministry is also headed bya non-professional soldier and one cant expect much input from him

I don't agree. When Kashmir, a Problem of astronomical magnitude is standing before the nation, and destabilizing the country,it is very much the duty of the President, PM. simply sleeping over the problem looking towards rules. regulations and Constitution, is the trait of a feeble hearted Nation.

Kashmir problem should be solved on a war footing. Nothing short of it.

There is no provision for martial law in constitution. This is only through coup by army junta. I don't understand why some are again and again harping on this and thereby making us all an object of ridicule. 

If some are harping on this issue, because, the Kashmir Issue is growing in size day by day. Unless this is checked before it becomes too big to handle, the very integrity and Unity of this country will be at stake. After clamping Curfew in Srinagar for continuously for more than 30 days and 3 days ago, when the Curfew was lifted for a few hours, Looting and Arson again started. How long this will go ? In order to check this , the Government should do something consolidated on an urgent Basis. Other wise, there is a danger of spreading the Communal riots and unrest to the entire country.

Kashmir issue is okay to discuss. But why bring the 'martial law' again and again in discussion in spite of the fact that this is unconstitutional and hence not worthy of consideration by any department of govt. of India. 

OK. Martial Law is unconstitutional. My only point on which i was insisting to know, how long this Fire remains burning ? Is there a possibility to change the Constitution ? If so, what would be the best and ideal way to please Kashmiri people.And merge Kashmir with India ? I don't think there will not be any solution to solve Kashmir issue. Only thing needed is a firm determination to end the problem from all the concerned Agencies.

The point of  no return is reached. I have been a visitor and operated in Kashmir for years. At one time 70% Kashmiri were with India but now I assume not more than 20% support India. Many are scared because of the gun. The point is the Indian governments has followed the Hindu ethos of getting a slap and keep smiling. The insurrection could have been crushed inside 90 days but it has lingered on for 20 years. It's gaining and India is getting a bad name as the separatists call the shots and NO INDAN can walk the streets of the valley alone. It's a dangerous game and the present government of Modi cannot absolve itself of responsibility for this crisis/.

Latest news says, an all party meet is in progress. Actually, the all Patty meet was demanded by all opposition Parties including Congress. For this, the Home Minister agreed , And before the Meet, the HM affirmatively said, there is no question of handing over Kashmir to Army. I think in a day or two, some solution will come out regarding Kashmir.