I have been wondering about an aspect that is rarely discussed. In 1970 -71 special forces of the Indian army in the guise of the Mukti Bahni infiltrated into East Pakistan to help the local Mukti Bahni. The aim was simple to break Pakistan into two. They succeeded as it was the-the policy of the Indian government to break up Pakistan. I can tell friends that Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh would not have happened without Indian intervention militarily. Now Pakistan is paying India back in a revenge attack, in Kashmir by a similar modus operandi. What are the comments of the readers?
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Dear rambabu@ what solution you are expecting after all party meet? Will an Indian be able to walk alone in valley? Will the hurriat call of their demands to join Pakistan? Will the attacks on security forces stop? Will article 370 be repealed.? I have tens of questions. The fact is nothing will happen. Chanakya said a government must see the writing on the wall. A government has also to be responsive to the will of the people. The all party meet is an eye wash.
Modi, in the all party meet said PoK is a part of Kashmir.Which is why , he warned Nawaz unless Training camps for Hizbul are removed, there won't be any talks with Pak about Kashmir.. Right now my dear MG, I do not expect any thing. But, I'm sure Government is going to do some consolidated work on Kashmir issue. Because, now the People of India are directly in the center stage. Unless Modi does some thing in this direction, Modi will lose entire India. Let Modi choose what to do.. and what not.
If Pakistan dismantles training camps then Talks can take place. Is this justified. We are required to talk about our territory with Pakistan . What strange logic. Old wine in new bottle. India has reduced itself to a permanent reactor to Pakistani moves and is reduced to fighting ill trained terorist in ones or twos by its well trained army. How long will we go on like this.
vijay wrote:Till date whose logic has prevailed and now what new logic will come from these very parties? A sea change is needed.
In India sea change can never take place where the main policy is appeasement in the fond hope that Pak and kashmir muslims will be reasonable. It's plain bullshit to use my military terminology
rambabu wrote:Modi, in the all party meet said PoK is a part of Kashmir.Which is why , he warned Nawaz unless Training camps for Hizbul are removed, there won't be any talks with Pak about Kashmir.. Right now my dear MG, I do not expect any thing. But, I'm sure Government is going to do some consolidated work on Kashmir issue. Because, now the People of India are directly in the center stage. Unless Modi does some thing in this direction, Modi will lose entire India. Let Modi choose what to do.. and what not.
Just as one swallow does not make the summer similarly Modi just nothing clichés is meaningless. Where is action on the ground?
Have a look at these Web links
Ever since Home Minister warned Pakistan in SAARCK meet, Regular encounters were taking pklace and Indian Army has been dealing with the Kashmir Terrorists ruthlessly. The second list confirms this fact.
Owing to the stern action by India, Pakistan invited India for talks on Kashmir, which India refused saying, 'From on , there will be Action only, no more dialogues.
rambabu wrote:Have a look at these Web links
Ever since Home Minister warned Pakistan in SAARCK meet, Regular encounters were taking pklace and Indian Army has been dealing with the Kashmir Terrorists ruthlessly. The second list confirms this fact.
Owing to the stern action by India, Pakistan invited India for talks on Kashmir, which India refused saying, 'From on , there will be Action only, no more dialogues.
Dear friend, do you imply that earlier army was not ruthless? I operated with heli gunship MI-35 and we were merciless. You are missing the trees from the wood. The point is talks with Pak is not important. No great power discusses it's own territory. The important point is ENTIRE valley is awash with green( Pak flags?) no Indian can walk alone in srinagar. The gun of terror rules and after 36 days of curfew situation is not in control. What is Modi doing about it?
MG Singh wrote:rambabu wrote:Have a look at these Web links
Ever since Home Minister warned Pakistan in SAARCK meet, Regular encounters were taking pklace and Indian Army has been dealing with the Kashmir Terrorists ruthlessly. The second list confirms this fact.
Owing to the stern action by India, Pakistan invited India for talks on Kashmir, which India refused saying, 'From on , there will be Action only, no more dialogues.
Dear friend, do you imply that earlier army was not ruthless? I operated with heli gunship MI-35 and we were merciless. You are missing the trees from the wood. The point is talks with Pak is not important. No great power discusses it's own territory. The important point is ENTIRE valley is awash with green( Pak flags?) no Indian can walk alone in srinagar. The gun of terror rules and after 36 days of curfew situation is not in control. What is Modi doing about it?
It was ruthless. But India was looking towards opinion of the world. India never wanted to portray itself as the "Aggressor ". Now the situation is different. Let the World think as it likes,India would think only about it's own territory, Kashmir. And Kashmir will not be conceded to Pak.
rambabu wrote:MG Singh wrote:rambabu wrote:Have a look at these Web links
Ever since Home Minister warned Pakistan in SAARCK meet, Regular encounters were taking pklace and Indian Army has been dealing with the Kashmir Terrorists ruthlessly. The second list confirms this fact.
Owing to the stern action by India, Pakistan invited India for talks on Kashmir, which India refused saying, 'From on , there will be Action only, no more dialogues.
Dear friend, do you imply that earlier army was not ruthless? I operated with heli gunship MI-35 and we were merciless. You are missing the trees from the wood. The point is talks with Pak is not important. No great power discusses it's own territory. The important point is ENTIRE valley is awash with green( Pak flags?) no Indian can walk alone in srinagar. The gun of terror rules and after 36 days of curfew situation is not in control. What is Modi doing about it?
It was ruthless. But India was looking towards opinion of the world. India never wanted to portray itself as the "Aggressor ". Now the situation is different. Let the World think as it likes,India would think only about it's own territory, Kashmir. And Kashmir will not be conceded to Pak.
You thinkso? the fact is Kashmir is already not part of India and only held by the army. No ITax official dare visit Srinagar no Indian civil servant ventures out,no Indian walks ALONE in kashmir. No law of Indian parliament can be applied to Kashmir till it is approved by Kashmir assembly. No Indian can buy any property in Kashmir. Hundeds of problems and Kashmir is only in name a part of India. Modi has to act, he is completing his 3rd year and failed on all his promses. God save Kashmir Amen!
The BJP in its lust for power in J&K has joined hands with PDP a known sympathizer of anti India forces. See the speech given by CM on independence day where she has blamed all Central leaders from Nehru to Modi. Kashmirs are not to be blamed at all. That in 1947, Pakistan invaded them and India saved them is conveniently forgotten by ungrateful politicians. Separatists have a defined role but so called nationalists of J&K have no defined role. They change colours as per the blowing wind. Deft handling with ruthlessness towards anti India elements is the need of the hour. India must give Pakistan back in the same coin. Bully understands the language of bully.
I think these claims that Kashmir is out of bounds for Indian citizens is totally misleading because some of our relatives visited the place last month, Srinagar , Anantnag, Pehelgaon etc and they say things were pretty normal there then. Just now after the terrorist leaders death things the situation has escalated and that is definitely due to the influence of the Pakistan based terror gangs. Mehbooba is playing to the gallery and her speech needs to be taken with a bagful of salt !
N doubt the situation has been worsening with any minor trigger and this has been happening often because of the increased terror movement. In fact having BJP at the helm of affairs is good or else the rest f the national leaders would have no or little say in the matter .
Owing to the increased Terrorist activities and organizing Training Camps in PoK, the only option left to India is to go all out for real action against Pakistan. If If anybody could do to end the ever burning problem of Kashmir, only the present Government alone can do. It's in Power. It can use all mechanisms at its disposal. If necessary, after consulting Rashtrapati, an appropriate step has to be taken. More delays . More chances of spreading the disturbances to the entire country.
rambabu wrote:Owing to the increased Terrorist activities and organizing Training Camps in PoK, the only option left to India is to go all out for real action against Pakistan. If If anybody could do to end the ever burning problem of Kashmir, only the present Government alone can do. It's in Power. It can use all mechanisms at its disposal. If necessary, after consulting Rashtrapati, an appropriate step has to be taken. More delays . More chances of spreading the disturbances to the entire country.
I wonder what " all out for real action" means. If it is war how are you sure India will win?
MG Singh wrote:rambabu wrote:Owing to the increased Terrorist activities and organizing Training Camps in PoK, the only option left to India is to go all out for real action against Pakistan. If If anybody could do to end the ever burning problem of Kashmir, only the present Government alone can do. It's in Power. It can use all mechanisms at its disposal. If necessary, after consulting Rashtrapati, an appropriate step has to be taken. More delays . More chances of spreading the disturbances to the entire country.
I wonder what " all out for real action" means. If it is war how are you sure India will win?No. It's not war. Every Pakistani Activity will be under surveillance , And every suspected action will be countered and retaliated.Simply put, it's action all the way
rambabu wrote:MG Singh wrote:rambabu wrote:Owing to the increased Terrorist activities and organizing Training Camps in PoK, the only option left to India is to go all out for real action against Pakistan. If If anybody could do to end the ever burning problem of Kashmir, only the present Government alone can do. It's in Power. It can use all mechanisms at its disposal. If necessary, after consulting Rashtrapati, an appropriate step has to be taken. More delays . More chances of spreading the disturbances to the entire country.
I wonder what " all out for real action" means. If it is war how are you sure India will win?No. It's not war. Every Pakistani Activity will be under surveillance , And every suspected action will be countered and retaliated.Simply put, it's action all the way
I am glad you are aoptimist, but in the world of hard politik, one must specify the steps the governmnet must take. Simply stating " Action all the way" may not help. What further act as you have ruled out war
MG Singh wrote:rambabu wrote:MG Singh wrote:rambabu wrote:Owing to the increased Terrorist activities and organizing Training Camps in PoK, the only option left to India is to go all out for real action against Pakistan. If If anybody could do to end the ever burning problem of Kashmir, only the present Government alone can do. It's in Power. It can use all mechanisms at its disposal. If necessary, after consulting Rashtrapati, an appropriate step has to be taken. More delays . More chances of spreading the disturbances to the entire country.
I wonder what " all out for real action" means. If it is war how are you sure India will win?No. It's not war. Every Pakistani Activity will be under surveillance , And every suspected action will be countered and retaliated.Simply put, it's action all the way
I am glad you are aoptimist, but in the world of hard politik, one must specify the steps the governmnet must take. Simply stating " Action all the way" may not help. What further act as you have ruled out war
No doubt I'm an optimist. My responses on the thread are based on facts like refusal of India to join a discussion on Kahmir issue by Pak. because Kasmir is already a part of India. India insisted that it would join the discussion only on the issue of POk and the terrorist camps organized by Pak . i also understood from the media there were terrorist activities in PoK and several times there were incidents of exchange of fire between the two and India succeeded in thwarting Pak attempts to intrude in to India. In this process many terrorists were killed.
@Rambabu. I have lot of respect for you but what you gave stated will not solve the Kashmir problem. Sometimes I wonder if this unrest continues the UNO may intervene and try and solve the problem. What if Russia China and USA ask for a solution? This curfew for nearly 40 days is damaging India very badly. Modi needs an out of box solution. Dismiss the government in Kashmir and start with a complete handover to military. I see no other way.
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