Is pakistan paying back India in the same coin for its breakup of Pakistan in Kashmir

MG Singh wrote:

Will India breakup? Probably not, but one cannot forecast the future. I went to the Soviet Union 35 times and could never imagine the mighty soviet state will break up. It did into 18 countries. India was monolith country and yet broke in 1947 on the two nation theory. In 1971 Pakistan broke up . So one can't say what will happen 50 years hence. 

Of course, Future can't be predicted. What according to you is the right course with a dangerous enemy in our neighborhood. As you first said, Martial law should be imposed seeing the present conditions in Kashmir. It's a fact that Kashmir is in turmoil. Can Modi  convince the president to impose Martial Law or any such suitable act to establish peace in the Valley ?

MG Singh wrote:

One should not underestimate Pakistan. Sitting here we feel Pakistan is in turmoil and will break up. Sitting abroad many in UAE also tell me the same thing about India, with the Naxal movement, the  separatist movement in North East and Kashmir. In fact, readers may go through the Chinese assessment of India by their Institute off strategic studies which forecasts break up of India. So what is apparent is not real.

This is something that I would totally agree with, size hardly matters ! India and Indian leaders can be very complacent where border issues are concerned and Pakistan is like a wounder tiger thirsting for revenge, willing to go any length to cause as much damage as it can even if it may not be able to take over Kashmir, but what is being done is causing enough harm . Kashmiris are taking sides and openly showing it which in itself is bad enough. Army is continuously being used and abused by the Kashmiri government as and when it suits them ..

Martial Law has its own limitations. Hence, i feel, the Government should examine the possibilities of  declaring war on Pakistan. Additionally, the Government should  convince Obama to stop supply of nuclear weapons to Pakistan

Both the governments at state and centre have failed to understand the growing expression of pro Pakistan sentiments since 2014. Either they are naive or incompetent. No counter plan is yet unfolded. Pakistan is looking successful. Martial law in India cannot be imposed. Why RAMBABU is pleading for it is not understood. We have to accept that present governments are inexperienced but are high on possibilities propaganda which they are not able to translate into action. Situation looks scary. The present government is only interested in commerce.

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

 

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Abolition of  section 370 is not easy. It is true a particular section of the Population in Kashmir are  against the intervention of the Government,

Noting is easy in Kashmir, peace is also not easy. If all politics parties of India honestly work than nothing is hard, every thing is possible.

Political parties working together on the issue of Kashmir is also not easy

If they want to save Kashmir than they should be join hands.

 

 

 

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

OK.Whatever it may be. The idea is to  Keep the Kashmir valley peaceful.

 

 

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

OK.Whatever it may be. The idea is to  Keep the Kashmir valley peaceful.

 Going to war with Pak is not an option because of the geo-political situation and China factor. Also the result cannot be forecast. The only option is for parliament to declare martial law in the valley and I am sure the seperatist leaders ( hurriet et all) will be tackled.Martial law based on the doctrine of necessity has been held as valid in many countries including the UK and by famous jurists as well. Maybe I will write sometime on the Doctrine of necessity.

 

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

OK.Whatever it may be. The idea is to  Keep the Kashmir valley peaceful.

 Going to war with Pak is not an option because of the geo-political situation and China factor. Also the result cannot be forecast. The only option is for parliament to declare martial law in the valley and I am sure the seperatist leaders ( hurriet et all) will be tackled.Martial law based on the doctrine of necessity has been held as valid in many countries including the UK and by famous jurists as well. Maybe I will write sometime on the Doctrine of necessity.

 

If 'Martial Law based on the doctrine of necessity' has been held as valid, in many countries,including UK which is a Democratic Country like India, Why Martial Law should not be imposed in India? do you think the President of India is not aware of this fact ? If he is aware and understands the situation in Kashmir, then naturally the President should agree to impose Martial Law in the Kashmir Valley. I know, things are not as easy as they look to be. If India wants to end the Kashmir problem forever, it should think of a solid solution on an urgent basis. More delays, more disasters.

 

 

 

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

A Senior member has raised a question on Martial law. By virtue of special powers vested in armed forces, there is virtually martial law in Kashmir and some other parts of country.  Incidentally, there is no mention of Martial law in Indian constitution. Our neighboring country, Pakistan had Martial law many times but this is by way of coup and unconstitutionally removing a lawful govt.  This virtually means that the elected govt. is forcibly removed from power and replaced by military junta.  In appropriate circumstances, there is provision of proclaiming emergency- external aggression, internal disturbance, financial crisis. 

AFSPA and Martial Law are one and the same ?. If so, before imposing Martial Law, has the Government obtained the approval of the president? I understand, without the approval of the President either Martial Law or AFSPA cannot be promulgated. Please clarify.

Martial law is not legal and cannot be imposed constitutionally. AFSPA gives special powers to armed forces but still they are under civil administration. Under martial law, civil authorities are subordinate to army unlike the current system. Martial law implies coup by military junta and forcible removal of govt. in power elected lawfully. 

 

Going to war is not an option is a significant staement of intention. It clearly shows a weakness in our abilities. However what prevents India from paying back Pakistan in the same coin in say Baluchistan. For every terror act by Pakistan there should be a counter act from India. That is also a type of war. Let us ACT and not debate and debate and debate !!!g

vijay wrote:

Going to war is not an option is a significant staement of intention. It clearly shows a weakness in our abilities. However what prevents India from paying back Pakistan in the same coin in say Baluchistan. For every terror act by Pakistan there should be a counter act from India. That is also a type of war. Let us ACT and not debate and debate and debate !!!g

A sensible suggestion.  There is nothing wrong in debating. Its through debate only a right way will surface.

Far too long Kashmir issue has been debated. It has only created more groups to debate. It is now time for concrete action. Otherwise Kashmir will bleed and bleed India also for a long time to come. 

Anyhow, The main reason for Kashmir problem is Pakistan.First and foremost aspect to be taken care of is Pakistan's hostilities. India should show Pakistan what it is capable of.

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

OK.Whatever it may be. The idea is to  Keep the Kashmir valley peaceful.

 Going to war with Pak is not an option because of the geo-political situation and China factor. Also the result cannot be forecast. The only option is for parliament to declare martial law in the valley and I am sure the seperatist leaders ( hurriet et all) will be tackled.Martial law based on the doctrine of necessity has been held as valid in many countries including the UK and by famous jurists as well. Maybe I will write sometime on the Doctrine of necessity.

 

If 'Martial Law based on the doctrine of necessity' has been held as valid, in many countries,including UK which is a Democratic Country like India, Why Martial Law should not be imposed in India? do you think the President of India is not aware of this fact ? If he is aware and understands the situation in Kashmir, then naturally the President should agree to impose Martial Law in the Kashmir Valley. I know, things are not as easy as they look to be. If India wants to end the Kashmir problem forever, it should think of a solid solution on an urgent basis. More delays, more disasters.

 These are very relevant points, but the crucial factor is will power and that is sadly lacking. Even Modi supposedly a strong leader cannot execute this

 

 

 

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

OK.Whatever it may be. The idea is to  Keep the Kashmir valley peaceful.

 Going to war with Pak is not an option because of the geo-political situation and China factor. Also the result cannot be forecast. The only option is for parliament to declare martial law in the valley and I am sure the seperatist leaders ( hurriet et all) will be tackled.Martial law based on the doctrine of necessity has been held as valid in many countries including the UK and by famous jurists as well. Maybe I will write sometime on the Doctrine of necessity.

 

If 'Martial Law based on the doctrine of necessity' has been held as valid, in many countries,including UK which is a Democratic Country like India, Why Martial Law should not be imposed in India? do you think the President of India is not aware of this fact ? If he is aware and understands the situation in Kashmir, then naturally the President should agree to impose Martial Law in the Kashmir Valley. I know, things are not as easy as they look to be. If India wants to end the Kashmir problem forever, it should think of a solid solution on an urgent basis. More delays, more disasters.

 These are very relevant points, but the crucial factor is will power and that is sadly lacking. Even Modi supposedly a strong leader cannot execute this

 

 

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I'm sure you did not understand my thread at all. What I said was, either martial Law or any such measure to bring peace to the Kashmir Valleu

No Martial law only governor rule.In martial law civil rights of citizen suspended for some time.

OK.Whatever it may be. The idea is to  Keep the Kashmir valley peaceful.

 Going to war with Pak is not an option because of the geo-political situation and China factor. Also the result cannot be forecast. The only option is for parliament to declare martial law in the valley and I am sure the seperatist leaders ( hurriet et all) will be tackled.Martial law based on the doctrine of necessity has been held as valid in many countries including the UK and by famous jurists as well. Maybe I will write sometime on the Doctrine of necessity.

 

If 'Martial Law based on the doctrine of necessity' has been held as valid, in many countries,including UK which is a Democratic Country like India, Why Martial Law should not be imposed in India? do you think the President of India is not aware of this fact ? If he is aware and understands the situation in Kashmir, then naturally the President should agree to impose Martial Law in the Kashmir Valley. I know, things are not as easy as they look to be. If India wants to end the Kashmir problem forever, it should think of a solid solution on an urgent basis. More delays, more disasters.

 These are very relevant points, but the crucial factor is will power and that is sadly lacking. Even Modi supposedly a strong leader cannot execute this.

Modi has to devise a way out, whatever you call it Martial Law or an attack on Pakistan. Otherwise, nation's  very existence and integrity will be at stake.Today I have seen a news item, after a brief lull, trouble started again in Kashmir valley.

 

 

 

 

Good point @ Rambabu, but who will bell the cat?

some users are mixing the concept of martial law with war against Pakistan. We don't need martial law for a war. This is a strategic decision that the ministry of defence/ armed forces may take. We had war with Pakistan a number of times and still hostilities continue from time to time.