Can there be another division of India on religious lines?

Yes, it can be because India is a very sensitive nation and any strong politician can make changes on the bases of religious grounds

Like Pandora's box, the more you open and look more details cone out of Mughal brutality snd we have some members who want to pretend simply because it dies not suit their communal party's perception..

http://www.mysteryofindia.com/2016/03/brutality-of-isis-is-the-copy-of-what-mughals-did-with-sikhs-of-punjab.html

The Mughals were outsiders who conquered India. To expect them to be 100  per cent sympathetic to its subjects is very naive and betrays proper understanding of history. 

vijay wrote:

It would be naive to conclude that there was absolutely no animosity between Hindus and Muslims. It was manageable and thecBritish sucvessfully divided us. Surprisingly there is no anger against the English who also crippled our economy completely.

                I do not think there should be any anger against English rule for whatever we see from Khujaraho temples recovery to destruction of thuggery and the army, rail everything including nationhood is the gift of the Raj. Nirad C Choudhry the greatest Indian writer in English stated "To the memory of the British Empire in India,

Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule."

Nirad Chaudhry was a self styled anglophile and his views are not always right. He in fact was more British than the British themselves. Khajuraho withstood the 1000 years of Muslim rule. The Muslim rule did not make India poor. British rule reduced both India and China into abysmal poverty. These countries had around 25% share each in international trade when Britain took them over and it was reduced to 2% when they left. The prejudice against muslims has made many of our educated blind to this crippling blow by British to India from which we are still recovering. Countries not ruled by them also got railways. Let us be balanced and not one sided.

vijay wrote:

Aurangzeb was the first Mughal ruler who came under control of the Islamic religious elements and under their influence took many anti Hindu decisions like introduction of Jiziya tac on Hindus. Beheading of Guru Tegh Bahadur was a religion based decision. It was because of such decisions the Mughal empire started collapsing. The lesson we should draw is that when political deciioins are taken on basis of religion they will cause the downfall of the system/country. that is why in a pluralistic country like ours  the constitution should be the guiding factor and not any religion.

Jajiya tax was not first time introduced by Aurangzeb. It was continue since Mohmad Sahib. Jajiya tax was mazor source of earning Khalifa. At that time this tax was charged from person all religion other than Islam.

Babu saroj wrote:

Yes, it can be because India is a very sensitive nation and any strong politician can make changes on the bases of religious grounds

Not India, Indian are sensitive, and Muslim and follower of other religion also Indian. Indian are sensitive but powerful and intelligent. How they change government after five years.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Some have questioned why Hindutva is related to RSS and BJP. What is wrong with Hindutva. Of course nothing wrong if you simply observe the rituals and lead life according to your religion. The issue arises when you attempt to dominate others nourishing false sense of superiority. You target not only religious minorities but also those who don't agree with your brand of aggressive Hindutva. You target also those who don't support your ideology. This is what Nazi and fascists stood for.  For Hitler, German race was pure Aryan and a master race who was fully justified to dominate and rule other races- subject races. To draw parallel, R.S.S. also believes in Hindu nation and considers non Hindus as well as dissenters as unworthy of citizenship. Recently, top BJP leader Subramaniam Swamy proposed that Muslims and other religious minorities be deprived of right to vote unless they accept that the mythological figures Rama and Krishna are their ancestors.

The RSS ideology is well expressed in the books 'Bunch of thoughts'  and 'we- our nationhood defined."  The R.S.S. and BJP have not so far disassociated themselves from these books written by M.S. Golwalkar. The occasional talk of harmony by some BJP leaders is clearly deceptive. The occasional liberal face of BJP or some times R.S.S. is deceptive.

However the minorities and the downtrodden will certainly not accept the hegemony of the communal fascist forces, who will prove just paper tigers. The support base of these fascist and communal forces is big business, Hindu clergy and professionals who are naturally timid by nature as well as exigencies of their business and profession.    

It will be interesting to read the following link:

http://ebharat.asia/article.php?id=8537

There were no attack on Hindus during so called Muslim period. Hindus and Muslims lived together peacefully. It is only the British who attempted to create division. 

Please read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

Also Historians have pointed oout that Hindu population declined by 80 million during Mughal rule. I wonder how anybody can say that Hindus and Muslims lived peacefully.

MG Singh wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Some have questioned why Hindutva is related to RSS and BJP. What is wrong with Hindutva. Of course nothing wrong if you simply observe the rituals and lead life according to your religion. The issue arises when you attempt to dominate others nourishing false sense of superiority. You target not only religious minorities but also those who don't agree with your brand of aggressive Hindutva. You target also those who don't support your ideology. This is what Nazi and fascists stood for.  For Hitler, German race was pure Aryan and a master race who was fully justified to dominate and rule other races- subject races. To draw parallel, R.S.S. also believes in Hindu nation and considers non Hindus as well as dissenters as unworthy of citizenship. Recently, top BJP leader Subramaniam Swamy proposed that Muslims and other religious minorities be deprived of right to vote unless they accept that the mythological figures Rama and Krishna are their ancestors.

The RSS ideology is well expressed in the books 'Bunch of thoughts'  and 'we- our nationhood defined."  The R.S.S. and BJP have not so far disassociated themselves from these books written by M.S. Golwalkar. The occasional talk of harmony by some BJP leaders is clearly deceptive. The occasional liberal face of BJP or some times R.S.S. is deceptive.

However the minorities and the downtrodden will certainly not accept the hegemony of the communal fascist forces, who will prove just paper tigers. The support base of these fascist and communal forces is big business, Hindu clergy and professionals who are naturally timid by nature as well as exigencies of their business and profession.    

It will be interesting to read the following link:

http://ebharat.asia/article.php?id=8537

There were no attack on Hindus during so called Muslim period. Hindus and Muslims lived together peacefully. It is only the British who attempted to create division. 

Please read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

Also Historians have pointed oout that Hindu population declined by 80 million during Mughal rule. I wonder how anybody can say that Hindus and Muslims lived peacefully.

Thanks for providing enough Historical facts emphasizing the fact that Hindus and Muslims never lived peacefully. The link you provided says it all. Mahmud of Ghazni invaded the sub continent during the early 11th century. His campaigns across the Gangetic plaines are often cited for their iconoclast plundering and destruction of temples. And this is but one example to show how Hindus were persecuted by Muslim invaders.

 

British looted us and left us poorer but the Mughals did not make us poor was what some members are trying to impress on us.. The Mughals did not leave us, they stayed on and butchered masses when there was opposition to conversion to their religion which was far worse. I guess that is OK for some. Honestly this is what our communal party has done, brain washing its members and supporters to the extent that they become inhuman and have a one point agenda of Hindu bashing !

It is distressing to see some members bring in religion into every argument and then turn into prosecutors and pass judgements. In a purely economic arguement what is the purpose of bringing religion and then ascribing motives which are non existent. For expressing an economic arguement one becomes inhuman and is brainwashed by a communal party and is a Hindu basher. What perverted logic by someone who is totally brainwashed. Disgusting way of expressing. 

A comment gets a comment - Before passing lofty judgments it is better to take a peek at one's own posts and interactions! The height of double standards when it comes to pointing fingers at others , when some unpalatable truth  is mentioned by them !

vijay wrote:

It is distressing to see some members bring in religion into every argument and then turn into prosecutors and pass judgements. In a purely economic arguement what is the purpose of bringing religion and then ascribing motives which are non existent. For expressing an economic arguement one becomes inhuman and is brainwashed by a communal party and is a Hindu basher. What perverted logic by someone who is totally brainwashed. Disgusting way of expressing. 

No solution of this problem. Religion is very soft target. We have to tolerate it. We can't stop any member to write.

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Some have questioned why Hindutva is related to RSS and BJP. What is wrong with Hindutva. Of course nothing wrong if you simply observe the rituals and lead life according to your religion. The issue arises when you attempt to dominate others nourishing false sense of superiority. You target not only religious minorities but also those who don't agree with your brand of aggressive Hindutva. You target also those who don't support your ideology. This is what Nazi and fascists stood for.  For Hitler, German race was pure Aryan and a master race who was fully justified to dominate and rule other races- subject races. To draw parallel, R.S.S. also believes in Hindu nation and considers non Hindus as well as dissenters as unworthy of citizenship. Recently, top BJP leader Subramaniam Swamy proposed that Muslims and other religious minorities be deprived of right to vote unless they accept that the mythological figures Rama and Krishna are their ancestors.

The RSS ideology is well expressed in the books 'Bunch of thoughts'  and 'we- our nationhood defined."  The R.S.S. and BJP have not so far disassociated themselves from these books written by M.S. Golwalkar. The occasional talk of harmony by some BJP leaders is clearly deceptive. The occasional liberal face of BJP or some times R.S.S. is deceptive.

However the minorities and the downtrodden will certainly not accept the hegemony of the communal fascist forces, who will prove just paper tigers. The support base of these fascist and communal forces is big business, Hindu clergy and professionals who are naturally timid by nature as well as exigencies of their business and profession.    

It will be interesting to read the following link:

http://ebharat.asia/article.php?id=8537

There were no attack on Hindus during so called Muslim period. Hindus and Muslims lived together peacefully. It is only the British who attempted to create division. 

Please read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus

Also Historians have pointed oout that Hindu population declined by 80 million during Mughal rule. I wonder how anybody can say that Hindus and Muslims lived peacefully.

Thanks for providing enough Historical facts emphasizing the fact that Hindus and Muslims never lived peacefully. The link you provided says it all. Mahmud of Ghazni invaded the sub continent during the early 11th century. His campaigns across the Gangetic plaines are often cited for their iconoclast plundering and destruction of temples. And this is but one example to show how Hindus were persecuted by Muslim invaders.

Deeds of Muslim emperors are till the date is cause of clashes between Hindu and Muslim, Babri Masjid

 

 

usha manohar wrote:

A comment gets a comment - Before passing lofty judgments it is better to take a peek at one's own posts and interactions! The height of double standards when it comes to pointing fingers at others , when some unpalatable truth  is mentioned by them !

Kindly point out in which comment of mine have I made personal attack or allegations on you to get such disgusting personal remarks. Also pleade do not be prosecutor and judge.Attack views not person expressing them.

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

A comment gets a comment - Before passing lofty judgments it is better to take a peek at one's own posts and interactions! The height of double standards when it comes to pointing fingers at others , when some unpalatable truth  is mentioned by them !

Kindly point out in which comment of mine have I made personal attack or allegations on you to get such disgusting personal remarks. Also pleade do not be prosecutor and judge.Attack views not person expressing them.

 

I dont see anything disgusting in my comments nor anything personal nor any attack ! At the very beginning I wrote a comment gets a comment which is true, you wrote something and I wrote in response to that, so where does personal attack come ? In fact it came in your comment not mine, so, dont turn the tables against me..

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

A comment gets a comment - Before passing lofty judgments it is better to take a peek at one's own posts and interactions! The height of double standards when it comes to pointing fingers at others , when some unpalatable truth  is mentioned by them !

Kindly point out in which comment of mine have I made personal attack or allegations on you to get such disgusting personal remarks. Also pleade do not be prosecutor and judge. Attack views not person expressing them.

No one is prosecutor of judge here, most of members expressing their views. We can't avoid little bit aggressiveness in writing. But we must be careful that we should not hurt any one.

 

The question is how we can remain united as one country, one nation, This is not a very complicated issue. We have just to see composition of the country as stands today. Hindus are in bigger number but they are minority in certain regions including Kashmir and North East. The Hindu dominated states also have a good number of minority. Whatever be the past, there is no way to live amicably as one nation unless secularism is accepted in letter and spirit. any talk of enforcing single personal law on all will be resisted by minorities and lead to disunity. 

It may be remembered that it is not only the excesses or cruelty that made Hindus convert to Islam or Christianity. This is an ironical fact that the great majority consisting of lower caste Hindus have always been treated very inhumanly. They were considered as untouchable. Still there are atrocities against them.  Islam and Christianity came to their rescue and many freed themselves from clutches of Hindu manuvad. What could be more shameful than the fact that there would be harsher punishment to a lower caste fro the same offence. Raping lower caste woman is smaller offence than raping a higher caste woman. This is manuvaad. It goes to credit of British that they introduced the concept of equality before law. 

Incidentally, some member has mentioned that there is controversy about Holika burning. In fact, there are different versions of the mythological figures. Consequently, there are disputes even about Hindu deities.  All this explains the need for tolerance and excluding religion from public life. 

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

A comment gets a comment - Before passing lofty judgments it is better to take a peek at one's own posts and interactions! The height of double standards when it comes to pointing fingers at others , when some unpalatable truth  is mentioned by them !

Kindly point out in which comment of mine have I made personal attack or allegations on you to get such disgusting personal remarks. Also pleade do not be prosecutor and judge.Attack views not person expressing them.

 

vijay wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

A comment gets a comment - Before passing lofty judgments it is better to take a peek at one's own posts and interactions! The height of double standards when it comes to pointing fingers at others , when some unpalatable truth  is mentioned by them !

Kindly point out in which comment of mine have I made personal attack or allegations on you to get such disgusting personal remarks. Also pleade do not be prosecutor and judge.Attack views not person expressing them.