Is it a good idea to take back part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan?

I am really wonderstuck that people think is it's a good time to take back POK. Its not like a walk along theJuhu beach or a stroll around Connaught Place. It's a mountain area and a strong battle with heavy casualities is the result. Even then it cannot be  guaranteed that the Indian forces will capture Muzzafarabad. In 3 wars The Indian army could not adance beyond a few miles of the LÒC.

Everybody is talking of army "victory". How many are aware that an agitation is on at Jantar Mantar asking for FULL implementation of OROP led by gen Satbir Singh? It has crossed 1500 days. This news is blanked out by Modi government. Chanakya has written that it is the badluck( Durbaghya) of a country if the sioldiers have to agitate for what is their legitinate due. I suggest this jingoist talk be avoided.

I am really wonderstuck that people think is it's a good time to take back POK. Its not like a walk along theJuhu beach or a stroll around Connaught Place. It's a mountain area and a strong battle with heavy casualities is the result. Even then it cannot be  guaranteed that the Indian forces will capture Muzzafarabad. In 3 wars The Indian army could not adance beyond a few miles of the LÒC.

Everybody is talking of army "victory". How many are aware that an agitation is on at Jantar Mantar asking for FULL implementation of OROP led by gen Satbir Singh? It has crossed 1500 days. This news is blanked out by Modi government. Chanakya has written that it is the badluck( Durbaghya) of a country if the sioldiers have to agitate for what is their legitinate due. I suggest this jingoist talk be avoided.

suni51 wrote:

I repeat the people in 5 districts out of 20 have been thoroughly misled by the separatists. There is no such problem in Jammu region and Ladakh barring Kargil to some extent. Indian government has to tackle these 5 districts to straighten the situation.

Whether 5 districts or 2 it does not matter. The battle has to be won in the mind and brain. That's not likely in the valley. That is the reason there is a continuous curfew. How long? The problem is serious and Imran has succeeded in bringing KASHMIR TO THE NOTICE OF THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE. I HOPE YOU HAVE READ THE STATEMENTS OF BERNIE SANDERS( PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE) AND J CORBYN AS WELL AS LEADER OF SWEDEN. IT NEVER HAPPENED EARLIER.

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I repeat the people in 5 districts out of 20 have been thoroughly misled by the separatists. There is no such problem in Jammu region and Ladakh barring Kargil to some extent. Indian government has to tackle these 5 districts to straighten the situation.

Whether 5 districts or 2 it does not matter. The battle has to be won in the mind and brain. That's not likely in the valley. That is the reason there is a continuous curfew. How long? The problem is serious and Imran has succeeded in bringing KASHMIR TO THE NOTICE OF THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE. I HOPE YOU HAVE READ THE STATEMENTS OF BERNIE SANDERS( PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE) AND J CORBYN AS WELL AS LEADER OF SWEDEN. IT NEVER HAPPENED EARLIER.

Of course it never happened earlier because what happened now is a one time monumental event , so people especially loose canons , those with an agenda and those with obligations to other parties would try their level best to make it look like a criminal act committed by the government,. But they refuse the address the issue as to why were the articles introduced in the first place? 

As per my view there should be some break point for some times because if many action happen on same time then war situation will be created so to avoid war India need to wait for some time and see action of Pakistan for current situation after that accordingly need to take action.

Action should not be based on emotion only it should be based on situation also.

Everything takes time to heal and mend and we can see more and more support gathered from local Kashmiri s who now realize that opening up of the valley for investment would make their life much better . No doubt it is early days yet , we need to wait at least for a year to see changes 

Ultimately the Kashmiri people will settle down and accept the changed reality .  The only fly in the ointment is Pakistan. So the question is how we are going to deal with Pakistan. Modi has to decide on that

We need to to take a leaf out of China's book. More and more people should be asked, I will say encouraged to settle in the valley.  As far as possible Army Soldiers and officers/ settlers must marry Kashmiri girls. Trouble makers need to be arrested and put in Prison in far away places like Andhra Pradesh. I am sure some results will come

I think it is a good idea, but a risky proposition which has to be handled very carefully.

Also I am really thinking that why India is not putting more pressure on Pakistan. As Pakistan is now supporting terrorists, training them along LOC, trying to send them through Sea Route to Gujarat. Already some are in our Country in 2 Southern States.

Pakistan, should pay for these midemeanours very heavily. Taking back Kashmir is our right, but sending Terrorists is not at all a choice to opt for.

MG Singh wrote:

We need to to take a leaf out of China's book. More and more people should be asked, I will say encouraged to settle in the valley.  As far as possible Army Soldiers and officers/ settlers must marry Kashmiri girls. Trouble makers need to be arrested and put in Prison in far away places like Andhra Pradesh. I am sure some results will come

You 100% right, If India wants to keeps peace in valley than he must be encouraged and support to peoples from other states to settle in valley. First they try to settler Kashmiri Pandits, who are spending life of refugee in country. I read in news paper, valley peoples said that after restriction valley have peace because separatists are in jail,

MG Singh wrote:

We need to to take a leaf out of China's book. More and more people should be asked, I will say encouraged to settle in the valley.  As far as possible Army Soldiers and officers/ settlers must marry Kashmiri girls. Trouble makers need to be arrested and put in Prison in far away places like Andhra Pradesh. I am sure some results will come

What a weird proposition! LOL! The way you are proposing that army officers marry Kashmiri girls is actually disgusting. Who do you think those people are? Some kind of desperate, downtrodden, scrambling in the mud lot??? Do you not know that love marriages between different ethnic groups, races have to happen naturally? They cannot be forced. If forced, every ethnic group will fight tooth-and-nail to safegaurd and preserve their ethnicity. forcing such a thing is equivalent to what the Mughals and other Muslim invaders did around teh world

Also what you mentioned about Imran Khan succeeding to bring Kashmir to international notice is absolutely hokum. What kind of media do you watch? All Imran succeeded in doing is become a laughing stock of the world and is being portrayed as a beggar with a bowl. Who brought it to international notice is Modi, who has been working quietly all these last 5 years and garnering support from the world for this decision. Their support did not just come overnight. He has been working for it all this while. Troublemakers in Kashmir are already brought into Agra prison a month ago, you probably missed the news.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

We need to to take a leaf out of China's book. More and more people should be asked, I will say encouraged to settle in the valley.  As far as possible Army Soldiers and officers/ settlers must marry Kashmiri girls. Trouble makers need to be arrested and put in Prison in far away places like Andhra Pradesh. I am sure some results will come

What a weird proposition! LOL! The way you are proposing that army officers marry Kashmiri girls is actually disgusting. Who do you think those people are? Some kind of desperate, downtrodden, scrambling in the mud lot??? Do you not know that love marriages between different ethnic groups, races have to happen naturally? They can be forced. If forced, every ethnic group will fight tooth-and-nail to safegaurd and preserve their ethnicity. forcing such a thing is equivalent to what the Mughals and other Muslim invaders did around teh world

Also what you mentioned about Imran Khan succeeding to bring Kashmir to international notice is absolutely hokum. What kind of media do you watch? All Imran succeeded in doing is become a laughing stock of the world and is being portrayed as a beggar with a bowl. Who brought it to international notice is Modi, who has been working quietly all these last 5 years and garnering support from the world for this decision. Their support did not just come overnight. He has been working for it all this while. Troublemakers in Kashmir are already brought into Agra prison a month ago, you probably missed the news.

You are right, we are trying to win the hearts of people in Kashmir and not trying to go for a love Jihad. In fact if outsiders or arm tried any such thing that will not only fail our purpose but provoke Muslim World which has so far shown their support to India. Modi has really done hard work in last five ears which is showing its result now. Did we ever expect a top honor to a Congress leader from any Muslim country despite all the appeasement done by Congress party during their long rule? We have to slowly win the game by tactical methods rather than strong handed methods. I see the role of army against Pakistan only in case they interfere too much otherwise army's role is to keep a strict vigil in state and that's it. People from other states willing to live in Kashmir should be given full support.  

MG as always comes direct to the point ...in fact I was told that indeed army men and outsiders are being indirectly encouraged to marry Kashmiri's. It is bound to happen when outsiders settle there and mingle with the locals once industries, banks etc are set up there

No way, Indian army is no way being encouraged to marry local girls but retired army personals are being encouraged to settle in bordering areas. Besides it will take time before outsiders will settle or buy property in Kashmir. Outsiders, mostly Punjabis might marry girls from Jammu region but inter-cast marriages have only one way traffic and I don't think I have to explain which way the traffic heads on. 

Do you remember the court marshal of Major Gogoi for having a mutual friendship with a girl from Kashmir valley?

I think India need to keep quiet for sometimes In case of Pakistan do any problem or if War happen that time India need to win and take POK back so it will be good lesson for Pakistan that on War you will loose always something.

suni51 wrote:

No way, Indian army is no way being encouraged to marry local girls but retired army personals are being encouraged to settle in bordering areas. Besides it will take time before outsiders will settle or buy property in Kashmir. Outsiders, mostly Punjabis might marry girls from Jammu region but inter-cast marriages have only one way traffic and I don't think I have to explain which way the traffic heads on. 

Do you remember the court marshal of Major Gogoi for having a mutual friendship with a girl from Kashmir valley?

What happened to Gogoi is understandable because he was taking a young Kashmiri girl from a conservative Muslim family into a hotel room during his duty hours. Anyone would find that wrong. However, in Bangalore I know of at least two cases where Kashmiri girls have married locals. One of them a doctor while studying in Bangalore met and married her classmate , a Muslim from Mysore. Her cousin also studying hotel management married a Parsi doctor from Bangalore. They are both living in Bangalore 

usha manohar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

No way, Indian army is no way being encouraged to marry local girls but retired army personals are being encouraged to settle in bordering areas. Besides it will take time before outsiders will settle or buy property in Kashmir. Outsiders, mostly Punjabis might marry girls from Jammu region but inter-cast marriages have only one way traffic and I don't think I have to explain which way the traffic heads on. 

Do you remember the court marshal of Major Gogoi for having a mutual friendship with a girl from Kashmir valley?

What happened to Gogoi is understandable because he was taking a young Kashmiri girl from a conservative Muslim family into a hotel room during his duty hours. Anyone would find that wrong. However, in Bangalore I know of at least two cases where Kashmiri girls have married locals. One of them a doctor while studying in Bangalore met and married her classmate , a Muslim from Mysore. Her cousin also studying hotel management married a Parsi doctor from Bangalore. They are both living in Bangalore 

You have answered your own query. In both the cases the grooms are non Hindus and the couples are living outside of Kashmir. There are too few Muslims in Indian army and the Muslims from valley would never accept to marry Hindu soldiers or at least resist even if the girls agreed to marry them. We should not work on this formula which has less than 1% chance of getting success. We should concentrate on settling outsiders including businessmen and retired soldiers in valley especially in bordering areas. Once the area comes into mainstream the mindset of locals would change and then we can think in terms of mingling with other willing communities. 

suni51 wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

No way, Indian army is no way being encouraged to marry local girls but retired army personals are being encouraged to settle in bordering areas. Besides it will take time before outsiders will settle or buy property in Kashmir. Outsiders, mostly Punjabis might marry girls from Jammu region but inter-cast marriages have only one way traffic and I don't think I have to explain which way the traffic heads on. 

Do you remember the court marshal of Major Gogoi for having a mutual friendship with a girl from Kashmir valley?

What happened to Gogoi is understandable because he was taking a young Kashmiri girl from a conservative Muslim family into a hotel room during his duty hours. Anyone would find that wrong. However, in Bangalore I know of at least two cases where Kashmiri girls have married locals. One of them a doctor while studying in Bangalore met and married her classmate , a Muslim from Mysore. Her cousin also studying hotel management married a Parsi doctor from Bangalore. They are both living in Bangalore 

You have answered your own query. In both the cases the grooms are non Hindus and the couples are living outside of Kashmir. There are too few Muslims in Indian army and the Muslims from valley would never accept to marry Hindu soldiers or at least resist even if the girls agreed to marry them. We should not work on this formula which has less than 1% chance of getting success. We should concentrate on settling outsiders including businessmen and retired soldiers in valley especially in bordering areas. Once the area comes into mainstream the mindset of locals would change and then we can think in terms of mingling with other willing communities. 

True,...the main priority would be to settle the Kashmiri Pandits, return their rightful properties and provide them with security and livelihood. Then implement Uniform Civil code so the Muslims in valley do not fall back to their underhandedness. Livelihood and development for all, no caste considerations, would be the way to go forward as being occupied fruitfully would ensure that the Muslim youth do not fall prey to Pakistani propaganda!

suni51 wrote:

No way, Indian army is no way being encouraged to marry local girls but retired army personals are being encouraged to settle in bordering areas. Besides it will take time before outsiders will settle or buy property in Kashmir. Outsiders, mostly Punjabis might marry girls from Jammu region but inter-cast marriages have only one way traffic and I don't think I have to explain which way the traffic heads on. 

Do you remember the court marshal of Major Gogoi for having a mutual friendship with a girl from Kashmir valley?

Kthua District of Jammu and Kashmir is neighbors area of Punjab and it also have matrimonial relation with Punjab. In coming years peoples of adjoining district may be buy properties in Kathu District. 

suni51 wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

No way, Indian army is no way being encouraged to marry local girls but retired army personals are being encouraged to settle in bordering areas. Besides it will take time before outsiders will settle or buy property in Kashmir. Outsiders, mostly Punjabis might marry girls from Jammu region but inter-cast marriages have only one way traffic and I don't think I have to explain which way the traffic heads on. 

Do you remember the court marshal of Major Gogoi for having a mutual friendship with a girl from Kashmir valley?

What happened to Gogoi is understandable because he was taking a young Kashmiri girl from a conservative Muslim family into a hotel room during his duty hours. Anyone would find that wrong. However, in Bangalore I know of at least two cases where Kashmiri girls have married locals. One of them a doctor while studying in Bangalore met and married her classmate , a Muslim from Mysore. Her cousin also studying hotel management married a Parsi doctor from Bangalore. They are both living in Bangalore 

You have answered your own query. In both the cases the grooms are non Hindus and the couples are living outside of Kashmir. There are too few Muslims in Indian army and the Muslims from valley would never accept to marry Hindu soldiers or at least resist even if the girls agreed to marry them. We should not work on this formula which has less than 1% chance of getting success. We should concentrate on settling outsiders including businessmen and retired soldiers in valley especially in bordering areas. Once the area comes into mainstream the mindset of locals would change and then we can think in terms of mingling with other willing communities. 

Nothing is impossible in life ...

However, I am told by my cousin who is  stationed in Anantnag that the situation although improving is still quite tense at times. Media gets only what has been told to them but he says that there is a lot more people now supporting the new move and openly talking about it and asking questions etc...it will take time but the way it has been handled by the center should be appreciated. The opposition and certain news channels may criticize them for putting all the dynasty leaders and separatists under house arrest. It was the only way forward or else those rogues would have created havoc by now..