Can a society grow while ignoring the matriarch?

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

If it's true that Amitabh Bachchan was against Jaya's career after marriage then I get reminded of their movie Abhiman. I have heard from someone in the past that Hrishikesh Mukherjee had opined while the shooting of this movie was going on that the story of the film may prove to be true in the real life too. Well, it was avoided because the lady opted to manage her home. 

I think Jaya opted to stay because of precisely the same reasons, and that was the time when male and female equality was not becoming trendy as it is now. Actresses of today's industry get more freedom than Jaya, Hema etc got and probably the reason Why Amitabh too didn't let her work was because that was the era of male domination. He could have made an exception and chosen to be more giving and tolerant but he didn't! That was his loss, I guess.

jaya did act in a few films like Silsila, Naukar etc after she had children. But one could say that her active career was finished by then..

usha manohar wrote:

jaya did act in a few films like Silsila, Naukar etc after she had children. But one could say that her active career was finished by then..

Yes she did act but not as the leading heroine! Not seen Naukar but was Amitabh too in it?

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

jaya did act in a few films like Silsila, Naukar etc after she had children. But one could say that her active career was finished by then..

Yes she did act but not as the leading heroine! Not seen Naukar but was Amitabh too in it?

No Kalyani , Naukar had Jaya with Sanjeev Kumar and it was a really nice film , simple and down to earth.  There is a beautiful lorie sung by both Lata and Kishore ..Chandni re jhoom ..

Yes Naukar is a film with Jaya and Sanjeev Kumar in leading roles. The Movie was directed by Ismail Memon. For her role Jaya earned her a Third Filmfare Award.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

jaya did act in a few films like Silsila, Naukar etc after she had children. But one could say that her active career was finished by then..

Yes she did act but not as the leading heroine! Not seen Naukar but was Amitabh too in it?

During Silsila, Rekha was reigning the film industry as a heroine. Jaya acted in some popular movies after her comeback but she lost that peak time. The fact is it all depends upon the lady of the house to take the call but I think a little bit of encouragement, support and adjustment by the man of the house can change the lives of Indian women. Talent would not go wasted as in this case. 

Since we are speaking about films and actresses, one can see that inspite of earning well and being financially independent, they are eiither manipulated  by their parents or brothers before marriage and by the husband after they get married. Things may be different now because the present day actresses are very independent while it comes to their personal lives ..

usha manohar wrote:

Since we are speaking about films and actresses, one can see that inspite of earning well and being financially independent, they are eiither manipulated  by their parents or brothers before marriage and by the husband after they get married. Things may be different now because the present day actresses are very independent while it comes to their personal lives ..

Yes, present day actresses are really strong minded. They have their eyes fixed on to their goal but it was not the case even some years back. For example: Padmini Kolahapure, Madhuri Dixit, Rati Agnihotri, Kajol and the list is endless. They are popular names so we are able to cite their names as example but numerous ladies in our middle class society just give up their own desire and lead the life of a second fiddle.  

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

The deep rooted belief of the women in general think, it's the primary duty of a Woman is  to please her hiubby. This belief is prevalent in educated women too.

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

The deep rooted belief of the women in general think, it's the primary duty of a Woman is  to please her hiubby. This belief is prevalent in educated women too.

In which world are you? No educated women believe in pleasing their husband, mind it pleasing sounds derogatory in this case, rather they love their family so avoid controversies which a man should respect.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

The deep rooted belief of the women in general think, it's the primary duty of a Woman is  to please her hiubby. This belief is prevalent in educated women too.

In which world are you? No educated women believe in pleasing their husband, mind it pleasing sounds derogatory in this case, rather they love their family so avoid controversies which a man should respect.

definitely its not a derogatory remark. My own wife who is a degree holder believed that " I'm her herGod".  , Several times I told her that was a wrong belief. But she goes on with her Belief.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

The deep rooted belief of the women in general think, it's the primary duty of a Woman is  to please her hiubby. This belief is prevalent in educated women too.

In which world are you? No educated women believe in pleasing their husband, mind it pleasing sounds derogatory in this case, rather they love their family so avoid controversies which a man should respect.

I feel that most Indian men have a deep rooted feeling of insecurity that makes them dominate their women and keep them virtually prisoners in their own homes, totally dependent on them for finance and everything else. I have seen men who dont let their women stir out of the house , wanting them to look after their needs and cook for them , pathetic ! They fail to realise that the more freedom they give to their wives , the more respect , contentment and love there would be within the marriage ...

I believe in giving  a woman free hand in all respects

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

The deep rooted belief of the women in general think, it's the primary duty of a Woman is  to please her hiubby. This belief is prevalent in educated women too.

In which world are you? No educated women believe in pleasing their husband, mind it pleasing sounds derogatory in this case, rather they love their family so avoid controversies which a man should respect.

definitely its not a derogatory remark. My own wife who is a degree holder believed that " I'm her herGod".  , Several times I told her that was a wrong belief. But she goes on with her Belief.

Definitely derogatory. No woman performs an item number at home to please a man. One has to be educated not just academically but by thinking too and so if someone has a wrong belief then it must be broken.

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

rambabu wrote:

That 's the unfortunate part of it. Women are yet to come off age. 

You threw no light why women usually opt to leave their dream. Men need to be progressive minded and not just become financially secured and status conscious as most of them are like that. 

The deep rooted belief of the women in general think, it's the primary duty of a Woman is  to please her hiubby. This belief is prevalent in educated women too.

In which world are you? No educated women believe in pleasing their husband, mind it pleasing sounds derogatory in this case, rather they love their family so avoid controversies which a man should respect.

definitely its not a derogatory remark. My own wife who is a degree holder believed that " I'm her herGod".  , Several times I told her that was a wrong belief. But she goes on with her Belief.

Definitely derogatory. No woman performs an item number at home to please a man. One has to be educated not just academically but by thinking too and so if someone has a wrong belief then it must be broken.

Well what I said was my own experience. if you don't believe, I can't do anything.

Society can grow only if both- male and female- get equal importance.  The ideal situation is that nobody should bother about gender except when in bedroom. The recent Olympic contests have clearly shown that women are not inferior even in sports like wrestling. Similar education and grooming for children irrespective of gender is must for making the society just and equitable to all- irrespective of gender. In fact, our constitution provides for equal opportunities to all irrespective of caste, creed, gender.   

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Society can grow only if both- male and female- get equal importance.  The ideal situation is that nobody should bother about gender except when in bedroom. The recent Olympic contests have clearly shown that women are not inferior even in sports like wrestling. Similar education and grooming for children irrespective of gender is must for making the society just and equitable to all- irrespective of gender. In fact, our constitution provides for equal opportunities to all irrespective of caste, creed, gender.  

Actually, in this thread we were basically discussing that how a mother and maternal family's influence get bypassed in our culture. It is always the father and his family gets highlighted while talking about a child. We should not ignore the impact a mother and her family make on a child. This shows our patriarch tendency and the attitude to suppress the matriarch influence. Well, the way you have explained how our society should pay equal importance to both man and woman is very impressive.    

I blame omen of our country for may of their misfortunes. In our own ancestral house, although all the ladies living there are highly educated, they are not allowed to be too independent by the elders, mainly women. Here, men less educated and less smarter are given more importance in decision making. I have argued several times but it is difficult to change the mindset. I guess in a few decades from now things will change for the better .