Has BJP done well in these 4 years?

MG Singh wrote:

I will just add a most famous quote by Nirad Choudhry. 

To the memory of the British Empire in India,

Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.”

Who will like to deny this?

This is something even my parents ad grand parents say, that life was much better under the briish for common man , although they looted us left right and center . Most things we take for granted today was introduced by them , including many social reforms ..

MG Singh wrote:

I will just add a most famous quote by Nirad Choudhry. 

To the memory of the British Empire in India,

Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.”

Who will like to deny this?

HA HA HA HA! What a quote! The perfect example of the brainwashing and Anglicization of Indians by the British. Do you even realise that you actually make it sound like Indians were nothing more than uncivilized barbaric fools with no brains until the British came and saved us from ourselves? True that they brought postal service, railways etc. etc. in India but they did it for themselves, more precisely to facilitate transferring of wealth and riches that belonged to us into their own coffers! Do you know that textile produced on Indian handlooms by Indian weavers was one of the best in the world and the first thing that British did was to take away the fine cotton produced in India to Manchester and then making us buy that same cotton at very heavy prices?? The purpose of this was clear, to increase their wealth by selling that cotton to other countries as well and at the same time depriving our looms and weavers of raw goods so that ultimately, Indian textile industry died away. This is just one example. Another example of the amazingly wonderful British Raj in India is the Great Bengal Famine in 1770 which was engineered by the British. I have given a link, if possible do read and try to clear the layers of ignorance or whatever it is that is there on your eyes! I do respect British for their some admirable qualities, I have worked closely with them and I still have many close British friends. But saying that they were our saviors and we are where we are due to them would be a great insult to our culture, tradition and everything that our freedom fighters fought for!

https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/

I think this article sums up the British rule without being biased ...both the cons which were many and the pros which were few ! However , their rule was far better than that of Mughal who not only never left but ruled violently and made sure that we would be permanently divided because of their fanatical rigipus conversions. .

usha manohar wrote:

I think this article sums up the British rule without being biased ...both the cons which were many and the pros which were few ! However , their rule was far better than that of Mughal who not only never left but ruled violently and made sure that we would be permanently divided because of their fanatical rigipus conversions. .

I wouldn't say that the British were better than Mughals, both were equally horrible and repressive in different ways. Only thing is we can thank the Brits for the various modern things they left behind such as railways etc. But we cannot forget that they did destroy the moral fibre of our society big time and destroyed opur education system, our sense of aesthetics and many other factors by planting a seed of revulsion towards our own culture and religion, the fruits of which are still leaving a bitter aftertaste in our mouth even now. So in retrospect, there really is nothing that we can thank the British for!

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

I think this article sums up the British rule without being biased ...both the cons which were many and the pros which were few ! However , their rule was far better than that of Mughal who not only never left but ruled violently and made sure that we would be permanently divided because of their fanatical rigipus conversions. .

I wouldn't say that the British were better than Mughals, both were equally horrible and repressive in different ways. Only thing is we can thank the Brits for the various modern things they left behind such as railways etc. But we cannot forget that they did destroy the moral fibre of our society big time and destroyed opur education system, our sense of aesthetics and many other factors by planting a seed of revulsion towards our own culture and religion, the fruits of which are still leaving a bitter aftertaste in our mouth even now. So in retrospect, there really is nothing that we can thank the British for!

The very fact that the Mughals and the British could come here , rule us for centuries and then leave their imprint on us shows how weak we were and still are as a people. We still run after foreigners and bow down before power , to the extent we are willing to destroy what was ours in preference to theirs. British were here to rule and they are known to be cunning and knew how to get their way, the very reason how they ended up ruling half the world. But India being a bigger nation with such a strong culture and heritage was swept away because of the weak fabric .. 

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

I think this article sums up the British rule without being biased ...both the cons which were many and the pros which were few ! However , their rule was far better than that of Mughal who not only never left but ruled violently and made sure that we would be permanently divided because of their fanatical rigipus conversions. .

I wouldn't say that the British were better than Mughals, both were equally horrible and repressive in different ways. Only thing is we can thank the Brits for the various modern things they left behind such as railways etc. But we cannot forget that they did destroy the moral fibre of our society big time and destroyed opur education system, our sense of aesthetics and many other factors by planting a seed of revulsion towards our own culture and religion, the fruits of which are still leaving a bitter aftertaste in our mouth even now. So in retrospect, there really is nothing that we can thank the British for!

Nothing to thank the British for ? My my!  They gave everything we see TODAY including the concept of a nation. Not forgetting giving a higher status to Hindus than under Muslims jizzia etc and all. Dont forget its the british who saved all monuments brought ancient Hindu texts to the world. Thus the words of india greatest writer in english Nirad Choudhry ring true.

MG Singh wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

I think this article sums up the British rule without being biased ...both the cons which were many and the pros which were few ! However , their rule was far better than that of Mughal who not only never left but ruled violently and made sure that we would be permanently divided because of their fanatical rigipus conversions. .

I wouldn't say that the British were better than Mughals, both were equally horrible and repressive in different ways. Only thing is we can thank the Brits for the various modern things they left behind such as railways etc. But we cannot forget that they did destroy the moral fibre of our society big time and destroyed opur education system, our sense of aesthetics and many other factors by planting a seed of revulsion towards our own culture and religion, the fruits of which are still leaving a bitter aftertaste in our mouth even now. So in retrospect, there really is nothing that we can thank the British for!

Nothing to thank the British for ? My my!  They gave everything we see TODAY including the concept of a nation. Not forgetting giving a higher status to Hindus than under Muslims jizzia etc and all. Dont forget its the british who saved all monuments brought ancient Hindu texts to the world. Thus the words of india greatest writer in english Nirad Choudhry ring true.

Hindus were not always being ruled by Muslims, a point which you seem to conveniently forget. There was Hindu rule BEFORE and along with the Muslim rule and it was illustrious as well. Who said that British saved all monuments? Maybe they did save a few but they also destroyed several beautiful forts in Maharashtra for the sole reason of kill the morale of the people and to diminish the threat against them. Did British really give a higher status to Hindus??? where did you dig this from??? Some anglicised author like Nirad C? All they did was educate a few in their own theories and philosophy and plant hate and doubt in their minds against the Hindu philosophy and culture....is that what you call as uplifting status?? and if you think that it was the British who brought ancient Hindu texts all by themselves then you intend to say that Hindus cannot do a single thing on their own. Do not forget that the British always had a policy of appeasing and pleasing Muslims and did all they could to keep them happy as opposed to their repressive policy against Hindus. It was they who sowed the seed of present day Hindu-Muslim divide..

usha manohar wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

I think this article sums up the British rule without being biased ...both the cons which were many and the pros which were few ! However , their rule was far better than that of Mughal who not only never left but ruled violently and made sure that we would be permanently divided because of their fanatical rigipus conversions. .

I wouldn't say that the British were better than Mughals, both were equally horrible and repressive in different ways. Only thing is we can thank the Brits for the various modern things they left behind such as railways etc. But we cannot forget that they did destroy the moral fibre of our society big time and destroyed opur education system, our sense of aesthetics and many other factors by planting a seed of revulsion towards our own culture and religion, the fruits of which are still leaving a bitter aftertaste in our mouth even now. So in retrospect, there really is nothing that we can thank the British for!

The very fact that the Mughals and the British could come here , rule us for centuries and then leave their imprint on us shows how weak we were and still are as a people. We still run after foreigners and bow down before power , to the extent we are willing to destroy what was ours in preference to theirs. British were here to rule and they are known to be cunning and knew how to get their way, the very reason how they ended up ruling half the world. But India being a bigger nation with such a strong culture and heritage was swept away because of the weak fabric .. 

If the fabric was so weak then India would have been declared a Muslim country long ago and you and I would have had to wear a Hijab. It is not the fault of the Hindu culture as a whole that the invaders found rich and congenial soil here to rule and oppress but the philosophy of tolerance, the teachings of nonviolence preached by Buddha which were not at all relevant or feasible in times of turmoil which led to further weakening in the unity of forces against invaders and the presence of cowardly and treacherous Jaichands, the likes of whom are found even today., some of them even here on the forum all the time trying to sing praises of British and Muslims and further demoralizing Hindus !Now that when Modi and his people are trying to bring back some of our lost glory, people are still singing praises of congress and Muslims!

I am scared of the current scenario and how things are going against Modi and most of them are the misunderstanding and mislead by opposition party. If Modi goes out, I am sure that it is done deal for my generation to see India on a progressive path. The political drama, circus and corruption will be back with a full swing.

Arunima Singh wrote:

I am scared of the current scenario and how things are going against Modi and most of them are the misunderstanding and mislead by opposition party. If Modi goes out, I am sure that it is done deal for my generation to see India on a progressive path. The political drama, circus and corruption will be back with a full swing.

Congress government in Rajasthan is trailer. First they went to RG for deciding who will be CM, than again they went to RG for deciding name of ministers,and now again went to RG for deciding portfolio for ministers. Is it democracy?

anil wrote:

Arunima Singh wrote:

I am scared of the current scenario and how things are going against Modi and most of them are the misunderstanding and mislead by opposition party. If Modi goes out, I am sure that it is done deal for my generation to see India on a progressive path. The political drama, circus and corruption will be back with a full swing.

Congress government in Rajasthan is trailer. First they went to RG for deciding who will be CM, than again they went to RG for deciding name of ministers,and now again went to RG for deciding portfolio for ministers. Is it democracy?

Are you aware that Russia is a  democracy and Putin is absolute Tsar. Whats wrong with RG being all powerful?. History remembers only strong men.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

I will just add a most famous quote by Nirad Choudhry. 

To the memory of the British Empire in India,

Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.”

Who will like to deny this?

HA HA HA HA! What a quote! The perfect example of the brainwashing and Anglicization of Indians by the British. Do you even realise that you actually make it sound like Indians were nothing more than uncivilized barbaric fools with no brains until the British came and saved us from ourselves? True that they brought postal service, railways etc. etc. in India but they did it for themselves, more precisely to facilitate transferring of wealth and riches that belonged to us into their own coffers! Do you know that textile produced on Indian handlooms by Indian weavers was one of the best in the world and the first thing that British did was to take away the fine cotton produced in India to Manchester and then making us buy that same cotton at very heavy prices?? The purpose of this was clear, to increase their wealth by selling that cotton to other countries as well and at the same time depriving our looms and weavers of raw goods so that ultimately, Indian textile industry died away. This is just one example. Another example of the amazingly wonderful British Raj in India is the Great Bengal Famine in 1770 which was engineered by the British. I have given a link, if possible do read and try to clear the layers of ignorance or whatever it is that is there on your eyes! I do respect British for their some admirable qualities, I have worked closely with them and I still have many close British friends. But saying that they were our saviors and we are where we are due to them would be a great insult to our culture, tradition and everything that our freedom fighters fought for!

https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/

Dear friend , laughing at the quote of the greatest writer in English from India, who is honoured by the Government and the Sahitiya Academy is in my view not the best thing to do.

I maintain that whatever you see when you step out of your home is a gift of English rule. Read Dunn and you will realize what India was before English rule, thuggery, sati, Child marriage , Caste killings etc was rampant. You want that to continue. In any criticism one must be rational, yes there were faults but the good is more than that. I withdraw from further writing on this thread.

MG Singh wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

I will just add a most famous quote by Nirad Choudhry. 

To the memory of the British Empire in India,

Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.”

Who will like to deny this?

HA HA HA HA! What a quote! The perfect example of the brainwashing and Anglicization of Indians by the British. Do you even realise that you actually make it sound like Indians were nothing more than uncivilized barbaric fools with no brains until the British came and saved us from ourselves? True that they brought postal service, railways etc. etc. in India but they did it for themselves, more precisely to facilitate transferring of wealth and riches that belonged to us into their own coffers! Do you know that textile produced on Indian handlooms by Indian weavers was one of the best in the world and the first thing that British did was to take away the fine cotton produced in India to Manchester and then making us buy that same cotton at very heavy prices?? The purpose of this was clear, to increase their wealth by selling that cotton to other countries as well and at the same time depriving our looms and weavers of raw goods so that ultimately, Indian textile industry died away. This is just one example. Another example of the amazingly wonderful British Raj in India is the Great Bengal Famine in 1770 which was engineered by the British. I have given a link, if possible do read and try to clear the layers of ignorance or whatever it is that is there on your eyes! I do respect British for their some admirable qualities, I have worked closely with them and I still have many close British friends. But saying that they were our saviors and we are where we are due to them would be a great insult to our culture, tradition and everything that our freedom fighters fought for!

https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/

Dear friend , laughing at the quote of the greatest writer in English from India, who is honoured by the Government and the Sahitiya Academy is in my view not the best thing to do.

I maintain that whatever you see when you step out of your home is a gift of English rule. Read Dunn and you will realize what India was before English rule, thuggery, sati, Child marriage , Caste killings etc was rampant. You want that to continue. In any criticism one must be rational, yes there were faults but the good is more than that. I withdraw from further writing on this thread.

If you think that only him and other British writers are great and write only truth while others have a myopic vision of history and the greatness that was India prior to British rule, then I welcome your decision to not write further in this thread. Also if you think that Chaudhari wrote those lines to praise British, then think again and do some research. I am giving here the paragraph from wiki about the said quote. Do think again when you next try to twist lines from author's quote claiming them to be something else when they actually mean another thing.

His masterpiece, The Autobiography of an Unknown Indian, published in 1951, put him on the long list of great Indian writers. He courted controversy in the newly independent India due to the dedication of the book, which ran thus:

To the memory of the British Empire in India,
Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.

The dedication, which was actually a mock-imperial rhetoric, infuriated many Indians, particularly the political and bureaucratic establishment. "The wogs took the bait and having read only dedication sent up howls of protest", commented Chaudhuri's friend, editor, historian and novelist, Khushwant Singh.^{[citation needed]} Chaudhuri was hounded out of government service, deprived of his pension, blacklisted as a writer in India and forced to live a life of penury. Furthermore, he had to give up his job as a political commentator in All India Radio as the Government of India promulgated a law that prohibited employees from publishing memoirs. Chaudhuri argued that his critics were not careful-enough readers; "the dedication was really a condemnation of the British rulers for not treating us as equals", he wrote in a 1997 special edition of Granta.^[4] Typically, to demonstrate what exactly he had been trying to say, he drew on a parallel with Ancient Rome. The book's dedication, Chaudhuri observed, "was an imitation of what Cicero said about the conduct of Verres, a Roman proconsul of Sicily who oppressed Sicilian Roman citizens, who in their desperation cried out: "Civis romanus sum".^[4]

Also when you talk about Indian culture, I would suggest you go beyond the child marriage and sati, which sad to note that you don't seem to realise they came into practice as a way to protect young girls from Muslim aggressors.

Baki to jaisi jiski soch!!!

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

I will just add a most famous quote by Nirad Choudhry. 

To the memory of the British Empire in India,

Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.”

Who will like to deny this?

HA HA HA HA! What a quote! The perfect example of the brainwashing and Anglicization of Indians by the British. Do you even realise that you actually make it sound like Indians were nothing more than uncivilized barbaric fools with no brains until the British came and saved us from ourselves? True that they brought postal service, railways etc. etc. in India but they did it for themselves, more precisely to facilitate transferring of wealth and riches that belonged to us into their own coffers! Do you know that textile produced on Indian handlooms by Indian weavers was one of the best in the world and the first thing that British did was to take away the fine cotton produced in India to Manchester and then making us buy that same cotton at very heavy prices?? The purpose of this was clear, to increase their wealth by selling that cotton to other countries as well and at the same time depriving our looms and weavers of raw goods so that ultimately, Indian textile industry died away. This is just one example. Another example of the amazingly wonderful British Raj in India is the Great Bengal Famine in 1770 which was engineered by the British. I have given a link, if possible do read and try to clear the layers of ignorance or whatever it is that is there on your eyes! I do respect British for their some admirable qualities, I have worked closely with them and I still have many close British friends. But saying that they were our saviors and we are where we are due to them would be a great insult to our culture, tradition and everything that our freedom fighters fought for!

https://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/

Dear friend , laughing at the quote of the greatest writer in English from India, who is honoured by the Government and the Sahitiya Academy is in my view not the best thing to do.

I maintain that whatever you see when you step out of your home is a gift of English rule. Read Dunn and you will realize what India was before English rule, thuggery, sati, Child marriage , Caste killings etc was rampant. You want that to continue. In any criticism one must be rational, yes there were faults but the good is more than that. I withdraw from further writing on this thread.

If you think that only him and other British writers are great and write only truth while others have a myopic vision of history and the greatness that was India prior to British rule, then I welcome your decision to not write further in this thread. Also if you think that Chaudhari wrote those lines to praise British, then think again and do some research. I am giving here the paragraph from wiki about the said quote. Do think again when you next try to twist lines from author's quote claiming them to be something else when they actually mean another thing.

His masterpiece, The Autobiography of an Unknown Indian, published in 1951, put him on the long list of great Indian writers. He courted controversy in the newly independent India due to the dedication of the book, which ran thus:

To the memory of the British Empire in India,
Which conferred subjecthood upon us,
But withheld citizenship.
To which yet every one of us threw out the challenge:
"Civis Britannicus sum"
Because all that was good and living within us
Was made, shaped and quickened
By the same British rule.

The dedication, which was actually a mock-imperial rhetoric, infuriated many Indians, particularly the political and bureaucratic establishment. "The wogs took the bait and having read only dedication sent up howls of protest", commented Chaudhuri's friend, editor, historian and novelist, Khushwant Singh.^{[citation needed]} Chaudhuri was hounded out of government service, deprived of his pension, blacklisted as a writer in India and forced to live a life of penury. Furthermore, he had to give up his job as a political commentator in All India Radio as the Government of India promulgated a law that prohibited employees from publishing memoirs. Chaudhuri argued that his critics were not careful-enough readers; "the dedication was really a condemnation of the British rulers for not treating us as equals", he wrote in a 1997 special edition of Granta.^[4] Typically, to demonstrate what exactly he had been trying to say, he drew on a parallel with Ancient Rome. The book's dedication, Chaudhuri observed, "was an imitation of what Cicero said about the conduct of Verres, a Roman proconsul of Sicily who oppressed Sicilian Roman citizens, who in their desperation cried out: "Civis romanus sum".^[4]

Also when you talk about Indian culture, I would suggest you go beyond the child marriage and sati, which sad to note that you don't seem to realise they came into practice as a way to protect young girls from Muslim aggressors.

Baki to jaisi jiski soch!!!

Sati custom completely abolished in India. Child marriage is still in fashion here. But India is not only country where child marriage is in practice.

Neither wererhe British perfect nor was Indian civilization perfect. We have adapted to many Mughal customs and practices with regard to art,food habits and lifestyle. However, British rule changed our lifestyles especially that of women coming from middle class families to a great extent because of western education that was available to all , and a more liberal outlook. 

usha manohar wrote:

Neither wererhe British perfect nor was Indian civilization perfect. We have adapted to many Mughal customs and practices with regard to art,food habits and lifestyle. However, British rule changed our lifestyles especially that of women coming from middle class families to a great extent because of western education that was available to all , and a more liberal outlook. 

Nothing is perfect in the Universe. India is made from mixed culture and tradition. It is speciality of this country that it adopt all things which are suitable for it.

India in ancient days was the most civilized society. And when it comes to women empowerment and gender equality, our scriptures show that it was there. Women in India had a good respect in society and were well learned. Equality of gender prevailed. However, with all invasion of Mughals and others including British, practices like Purda system and Sati came into picture as women became soft targets for evil eyes of these invaders. 

India in ancient days was the most civilized society. And when it comes to women empowerment and gender equality, our scriptures show that it was there. Women in India had a good respect in society and were well learned. Equality of gender prevailed. However, with all invasion of Mughals and others including British, practices like Purda system and Sati came into picture as women became soft targets for evil eyes of these invaders. 

Arunima Singh wrote:

India in ancient days was the most civilized society. And when it comes to women empowerment and gender equality, our scriptures show that it was there. Women in India had a good respect in society and were well learned. Equality of gender prevailed. However, with all invasion of Mughals and others including British, practices like Purda system and Sati came into picture as women became soft targets for evil eyes of these invaders. 

Agreed in ancient days women are respectable. We worship women. For Parda and Sati parth Mugal are responsible.

MG Singh wrote:

anil wrote:

Arunima Singh wrote:

I am scared of the current scenario and how things are going against Modi and most of them are the misunderstanding and mislead by opposition party. If Modi goes out, I am sure that it is done deal for my generation to see India on a progressive path. The political drama, circus and corruption will be back with a full swing.

Congress government in Rajasthan is trailer. First they went to RG for deciding who will be CM, than again they went to RG for deciding name of ministers,and now again went to RG for deciding portfolio for ministers. Is it democracy?

Are you aware that Russia is a  democracy and Putin is absolute Tsar. Whats wrong with RG being all powerful?. History remembers only strong men.

I know but it is not fair to compare democracy of India with Russia and China. Yes nothing is wrong if family head being powerful. Now congress in Private Ltd.