Should BSNL close or be revived?

epraneeth77 wrote:

Recently it came in news that BSNL has lost its ground even in Rural areas which was its main strength and reason for it not shutting down. Now the order of market share is Airtel, Vodafone, Jio and BSNL.

Last is BSNL. VRS might be done compulsorily now I guess. There is lot of misuse of funds at the top management which is hurting BSNL. Accomodation, Trips are being taken for granted.

Also I have read in news that BSNL made an agreement with Jio that Jio can use BSNL towers for network but BSNL cannot use Jio towers, due to which Govt is not supporting funds or any other support to BSNL.

Now, the latest news is that India Post has recorded the highest losses for PSU's overtaking BSNL & Air India.

It is my experience that private internet service is not good one. If BSNL will be shut down than which service person like me will used. I have Jio connection but it is too much slow and I can't complain for it to anyone. 

usha manohar wrote:

Both BSNL and Postal Dept of India are two of the largest concerns in the world and they show losses only because of mis management. I sincerely hope that the Modi govt , if elected back takes a grip on these two and turn them into profitable ventures. 

Post Dept have not work. So VRS is good to reduce work force. Post Dept is also doing banking work but its working style is not like a bank. So if government convert in post come bank that it may be work more perfectly.

suni51 wrote:

I think the present government has already decided to change the way Indian Postal Department works at present moment. They are planning to use wide spread network of postal department as local banking method and also as retail centers like postal centers work in many developed countries. You can find train reservation, banking, postal and other government tax deposit facilities as well daily use items in post office. 

Yes it is right but present employees of Post Dept is not trained for it. Government must be appoint some expert of these field in Post Dept.

suni51 wrote:

I think the present government has already decided to change the way Indian Postal Department works at present moment. They are planning to use wide spread network of postal department as local banking method and also as retail centers like postal centers work in many developed countries. You can find train reservation, banking, postal and other government tax deposit facilities as well daily use items in post office. 

That is good! But I still feel that the employees in this department are too laidback and do not take work seriously! I now pay most of my bills online but sometimes I do have  to go the Telephone exchange to pay my landline phone bill and have to wait for 5-190 minutes for no reason, there are no customers in line or any such thing but the lady at the cash counter is busy yapping to someone on the phone which is free to use at her disposal because she works there. She is busy talking to friends about some or the other nonsense and will pay attention to me only when her conversation is over! Same is case with post office, although there are exceptions now, but most of the workers still are unable to work on computers efficiently and so cause a holdup leading to lone lines! If they worked better and smarter, they would not run in losses.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I think the present government has already decided to change the way Indian Postal Department works at present moment. They are planning to use wide spread network of postal department as local banking method and also as retail centers like postal centers work in many developed countries. You can find train reservation, banking, postal and other government tax deposit facilities as well daily use items in post office. 

That is good! But I still feel that the employees in this department are too laidback and do not take work seriously! I now pay most of my bills online but sometimes I do have  to go the Telephone exchange to pay my landline phone bill and have to wait for 5-190 minutes for no reason, there are no customers in line or any such thing but the lady at the cash counter is busy yapping to someone on the phone which is free to use at her disposal because she works there. She is busy talking to friends about some or the other nonsense and will pay attention to me only when her conversation is over! Same is case with post office, although there are exceptions now, but most of the workers still are unable to work on computers efficiently and so cause a holdup leading to lone lines! If they worked better and smarter, they would not run in losses.

Yes I am agree with you. If we go to cash our saving certificate, post office will take one or two days to pay. In some post office staff also demand some bribe to cash saving certificate.

I on the other hand have had very good experience of the postal service. I have a savings bank account and fds for which I get prompt notification every month when the interest gets credited and the speed post is most reliable and is as fast as the courier services , charging 25 percent of what the couriers charge. I have never heard of bribes , in fact the lady who takes care of my fds is a postal agent and she gives me part of the incentive she gets which I refuse , but she insists I take it .

usha manohar wrote:

I on the other hand have had very good experience of the postal service. I have a savings bank account and fds for which I get prompt notification every month when the interest gets credited and the speed post is most reliable and is as fast as the courier services , charging 25 percent of what the couriers charge. I have never heard of bribes , in fact the lady who takes care of my fds is a postal agent and she gives me part of the incentive she gets which I refuse , but she insists I take it .

It is good thing that you have good experience of postal service. Once I want to mark lean of my NSC. Post master charged 20 Rs for it. And on encashment they charged 100 Rs. Earlier I also have RD account. After maturity they will take much time to calculate interest and in payment. Some time they have not cash. Now I have not any account with post office.

usha manohar wrote:

I on the other hand have had very good experience of the postal service. I have a savings bank account and fds for which I get prompt notification every month when the interest gets credited and the speed post is most reliable and is as fast as the courier services , charging 25 percent of what the couriers charge. I have never heard of bribes , in fact the lady who takes care of my fds is a postal agent and she gives me part of the incentive she gets which I refuse , but she insists I take it .

I too have never heard of bribes until now and my personal experience regarding savings certificates etc. as well as speed post is quite good. But regarding the regular mail, it is a matter of concern where the employees are still very not serious with work and most mails fail to arrive on time. Also, there are certain branches where employees are not efficient. Problems are many but we are already seeing some good changes ever since Modi came. But the journey is a long one and they have to yet go far.,

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

But what I wrote is not wrong. I never pay tip to postman. I paid 20 Rs for lean mark and 100 Rs on encashment of NSC. It may be trend in my area.

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

Giving a tip is okay to a waiter in a restaurant who is not paid enough or tip is part of his salary or a porter that carries your luggage in the hotel room but giving a tip to a postman who gets almost Rs 50-60 thousands is not justified. It makes them believe that it's their right to take money from public which is my basic objection.  

suni51 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

Giving a tip is okay to a waiter in a restaurant who is not paid enough or tip is part of his salary or a porter that carries your luggage in the hotel room but giving a tip to a postman who gets almost Rs 50-60 thousands is not justified. It makes them believe that it's their right to take money from public which is my basic objection.  

Are they really paid that much? I had no idea!

The starting salary of postal services begin at 285000 per annum ,.there will be other additions like city allowance and dearness allowance added to it.

Central govt pay scale is really good and the state govt jobs pay far less , the only benefit being that you can live close to your home .

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

Giving a tip is okay to a waiter in a restaurant who is not paid enough or tip is part of his salary or a porter that carries your luggage in the hotel room but giving a tip to a postman who gets almost Rs 50-60 thousands is not justified. It makes them believe that it's their right to take money from public which is my basic objection.  

Are they really paid that much? I had no idea!

This particular postman coming to our place is the same for last 24 years ever since I shifted to my present house in the age group of 55+. He used to be a stubborn type who would refuse Rs 10-20 for delivering a registered letter coming from important departments like income tax, Passport etc in the beginning (20 years or so before) but would insist for Rs 50 or more. Now the things have changed and he delivers everything for free and even says thank you once we sign the acknowledgement. The things have changed in postal and telephone departments to a great extent during last 5 years. People in these departments have learned to handle computers too.   

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

I am listening first time from you for tips to LPG cylinder delivery person. Here giving tip to postman is also not a tradition, although here some person, businessmen, gives them some gift on festivals.

anil wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

I am listening first time from you for tips to LPG cylinder delivery person. Here giving tip to postman is also not a tradition, although here some person, businessmen, gives them some gift on festivals.

Maybe not in your area but LPG deliverymen always expected some thing from you. Now that 'something' is limited to 2-3 RS like if the price of gas is 697, they will keep 700/. But postmen were always known for accepting something from businessmen to ordinary citizens but no more. 

suni51 wrote:

anil wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

I am listening first time from you for tips to LPG cylinder delivery person. Here giving tip to postman is also not a tradition, although here some person, businessmen, gives them some gift on festivals.

Maybe not in your area but LPG deliverymen always expected some thing from you. Now that 'something' is limited to 2-3 RS like if the price of gas is 697, they will keep 700/. But postmen were always known for accepting something from businessmen to ordinary citizens but no more. 

Yes it is right about LPG deliverymen, they kept balance amount of 2-3 Rs. In these days 2-3 Rs is not important so peoples don't care it. In these days postmen are rare most of peoples are using courrier service.

anil wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

I am listening first time from you for tips to LPG cylinder delivery person. Here giving tip to postman is also not a tradition, although here some person, businessmen, gives them some gift on festivals.

Well, I live in a flat on the 3rd floor and carrying a full cylinder up to the third floor manually is quite cumbersome and hard task and the regular delivery man who comes to my home is elderly person past 50. Also, he is a poor guy and they are not paid very well for the job so I give 20 rupees which does not cause a significant dent in my  budget, but it means a lot to him./

anil wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

I have never heard about bribes too but the one who used to come to deliver important documents like driving licence, passport, bank related papers or even a money order (way back) etc would expect some money in form of a tip. But that is thing of the past. Now the postman who used to come on bicycle comes on a motorbike and never asks for anything. It was the same with lineman from telephone department but no more.

Giving a tip is okay as we tip people from other professions too, to waiters when we eat out etc. We often buy art reference books from overseas and the packages are very heavy  and it is indeed cumbersome to carry those heavy books around on your route, so I quite give 20-30 rupees to the postman who brings them to us. I also tip similar amount to the delivery person bringing us our LPG cylinder so, that is not a problem as these people earn barely sufficient salaries.

I am listening first time from you for tips to LPG cylinder delivery person. Here giving tip to postman is also not a tradition, although here some person, businessmen, gives them some gift on festivals.

Paying a tip to LPG delivery man is common here. I pay 20 rupees and those living on higher floors in apartments pay a little more ..